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Reasons the Dalish have it so wrong


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#476
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At least with the Celene and Briala reconciled elves get more rights with no indication of a revolt. If Briala rules, the ending all but says that it's only a matter of time until a revolt occurs that tries to overthrow her plus how long until Gaspard has enough and tries to overthrow Briala.

 

The alliance between an elven Inquisitor and Briala intimidates the nobles.



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Celene as one true empress, let Briala sit at her side, and Gaspard hang

Fixed for the truth. Gaspard is just a petty warmonger and I'm not putting him in charge in my games. 



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The CE's should really get sexy with more humans, eventually there'd just be elf-blooded humans & far less hate :D


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Gaspard as one true emperor, let Celene sit with the Maker, and Briala hang

Yep. If the elves want rights, they'll need a little more than me forcing change. 


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I'm admittedly partial to putting Briala in power with my Lavellan mage. My character can't forgive Celene for all the elves who were killed in Halamshiral, and she makes some radical changes to give elves rights; after the racist comments Gaspard makes to Briala, my character wasn't too keen on supporting him, either. I do wish Briala wasn't whitewashed, though; she's described as being darker in TME.

 

I think the reason behind it is the fact that you HAVE to be dark to achieve what Briala does. Words and kindness will get her nowhere in Orlais. And not just because she is an elf. Kindness is irrelevant in Orlais, only the game and how you play it matters. She plays it quite well, and can bring a whole nation to its knee with only eyes and ears of servants who work for nobles.

 

Briala ruling towards Gaspard can cause problems unless the Inquisitor is an elf. There is an special epilogue if you are an elf. Your relation with Briala keeps stability.

 

At least with the Celene and Briala reconciled elves get more rights with no indication of a revolt. If Briala rules, the ending all but says that it's only a matter of time until a revolt occurs that tries to overthrow her plus how long until Gaspard has enough and tries to overthrow Briala.

 

The elf Inquisitor is an exception though, the epilogue is different. Indicating the Inquisition and Briala's relation keeps the stability.



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The alliance between an elven Inquisitor and Briala intimidates the nobles.

"It seems only a matter of time" The ending implies that Briala's rule is going to come under fire through a revolt.



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The CE's should really get sexy with more humans, eventually there'd just be elf-blooded humans & far less hate :D

 

Probably the last people in Thedas who want to do such; hardly anyone has more reasons to hate humans than the City Elves.



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I'm admittedly partial to putting Briala in power with my Lavellan mage. My character can't forgive Celene for all the elves who were killed in Halamshiral, and she makes some radical changes to give elves rights; after the racist comments Gaspard makes to Briala, my character wasn't too keen on supporting him, either. I do wish Briala wasn't whitewashed, though; she's described as being darker in TME.


I thought her skintone was weird too, she's ment to have noticeably darker skin but she looked perfectly caucasian in game :huh:



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I'm admittedly partial to putting Briala in power with my Lavellan mage. My character can't forgive Celene for all the elves who were killed in Halamshiral, and she makes some radical changes to give elves rights; after the racist comments Gaspard makes to Briala, my character wasn't too keen on supporting him, either. I do wish Briala wasn't whitewashed, though; she's described as being darker in TME.

hey i got a black templar,mage priest and PC had to make some sacrifices else somebody wouldve been mad

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Probably the last people in Thedas who want to do such; hardly anyone has more reasons to hate humans than the City Elves.

And yet they still do it. It's not like every elfblooded child comes from poor innocent elven women being raped by the evul humans. 



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Yep. If the elves want rights, they'll need a little more than me forcing change. 

 

there is nothing "forced" in Celene and Briala reconciling together, all the new elven rights are peaceful. But Gaspard has to die for orlais to have stability. That stubborn warmonger will return from exile.



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Fixed for the truth. Gaspard is just a petty warmonger and I'm not putting him in charge in my games. 

he will lead Orlais to greatness, that rabble rousing rabbit will hang for her crimes



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And yet they still do it. It's not like every elfblooded child comes from poor innocent elven women being raped by the evul humans. 

 

I'm sure that some do. In between their rioting and being treated as trash by the ever so benevolent humans, of course.



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there is nothing "forced" in Celene and Briala reconciling together, all the new elven rights are peaceful. But Gaspard has to die for orlais to have stability. That stubborn warmonger will return from exile.

It actually is forced, because I had to make it happen. If no one in Orlais is willing to cause the change, it's pointless. Then again, I'm not full of myself, so there's that. 



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HAHAHA.

 

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If you're going to say that Red Crossing was the single cause of the destruction of the Dales, then you're ignoring the codex that says the Orlesians wanted that land all along and were looking for a reason to take it. No, there was nothing inevitable about what happened. The elves massacred a human town, and the humans destroyed the elves' entire way of life and called it a holy crusade. Both are at fault. The only ones not admitting that are selling something. Likely, forum shenanigans.


We need to distinguish between Orlaid and the Chnantry. Part of what makes the Dalish narrative of their own history racist is how much of it treats "humans" as if they were all one unit, rather than separating out the cultural groups. While Orlais is racist, the Chantry (at the time) eems to be both bigoted and racist (but less so than Orlais). These differences matter.

Orlais did a poor job of coveting their lands seeing as how they were crushed in a military campaign until the templars and mages joined the war in the Exalted March. Orlais benefited tremendously from the Chantry's close relationship to their ruling dynasty but there are overlapping sins here - the military conquest by Orlais once the Chantry through its weight behind them and the cultural imperialism of the Chantry. Even the violations of sovereignty by Orlais relate to cultural imperialism by the chantry (i.e., templars and missionaries). My understanding is that Orlais then wanted genocide while then chantry wanted converts, which is why we have allienages so that's not to say that Orlais is somehow innocent of grevious actual and planned war crimes.
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he will lead Orlais to greatness, that rabble rousing rabbit will hang for her crimes


Also he's about the only leader besides Drakon to combat the game.

Orlais should resume it's place in the sun, not host salons and galleries.

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So many different permutations in the epilogue slides.  I wonder how it will be addressed in the next game. 



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I think the reason behind it is the fact that you HAVE to be dark to achieve what Briala does. Words and kindness will get her nowhere in Orlais. And not just because she is an elf. Kindness is irrelevant in Orlais, only the game and how you play it matters. She plays it quite well, and can bring a whole nation to its knee with only eyes and ears of servants who work for nobles.

 

Given how the ruler of Ferelden basically failed the Dalish with the Dalish Boon (the Hinterlands), that's quite true. Briala took action to help empower her people. As she said, "The elves of Orlais have a future. For the first time in centuries."

 

Briala ruling towards Gaspard can cause problems unless the Inquisitor is an elf. There is an special epilogue if you are an elf. Your relation with Briala keeps stability.

 

Which makes me happy, because it offers some hope for the Orlesian elves, and all the elves who are living in the Dales (which Briala apparently now governs as Marquise). Even Lavellan can proudly ask Solas if he's pleased that they helped their people.

 

The elf Inquisitor is an exception though, the epilogue is different. Indicating the Inquisition and Briala's relation keeps the stability.

 

Which I'm completely fine with, since the Inquisitor was able to help his people have a real future after centuries of servitude, abuse, murders, and purges.


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Caesar can toss my salad! He took a bullet to the brain. Independent Vegas and Mr. House FTW!

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