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[Steelcan]

show me proof that Gaspard is better than Celene and Briala reconciled or Celene with Briala and Gaspard executed.

that's a matter of opinion ultimately

[Colonelkillabee]

show me proof

LOL

[Steelcan]

This is borderline pathetic now. A good debater knows when to quit.

 

I did in fact provide proof. Based on Orlais's history and how elves are treated and what happened at wars and the fact that Dales were utterly destroyed there is less than 1% chance that elves were not killed and raped for pleasure. your turn.

First it was 90%, now its 99% make up your mind if you are going to make up statistics

 

You have provided only your own ideas on what may have happened, you have provided no solid evidence, no codex entries that detail mass rape or genocide, no character testimony, nothing.  You are spouting your own beliefs as objective fact with nothing to substantiate them.

 

You have put forth claims that need to be backed up but ely on other wars for your proof of the actions in this one.

 

So I repeat, show me proof that it happened in this war, through evidence from this war

[Lulupab]

Like right now people are ignoring the fact that steelcan thinks the angelic Orlais spared all elves. Elves are openly allowed to be raped and killed after 700 years. What do you think happened when humans were most angry with elves? Others need to call your bull on this.

 

Colonelkillabee this is one of those moments that you wanted to see, no?

[Colonelkillabee]

Like right now people are ignoring the fact that steelcan thinks the angelic Orlais spared all elves. Elves are openly allowed to be raped and killed after 700 years. What do you think happened when humans were most angry with elves? Others need to call your bull on this.

 

Colonelkillabee this is one of those moments that you wanted to see, no?

Works for me, lol. I agree, the idea that the humans didn't tap that ass after taking them in is bullshit.

[Lulupab]

First it was 90%, now its 99% make up your mind if you are going to make up statistics

 

You have provided only your own ideas on what may have happened, you have provided no solid evidence, no codex entries that detail mass rape or genocide, no character testimony, nothing.  You are spouting your own beliefs as objective fact with nothing to substantiate them.

 

You have put forth claims that need to be backed up but ely on other wars for your proof of the actions in this one.

 

So I repeat, show me proof that it happened in this war, through evidence from this war

 

I provided. now I sit down and wait for yours. Either provide one or this is done. I repeat as well, what proof do you have that it didn't happen? At best you have soldiers unofficially doing their thing which still applies.

[Lulupab]

Works for me, lol. I agree, the idea that the humans didn't tap that ass after taking them in is bullshit.

 

Glad to hear, first they tapped it, then killed it for pleasure. And became a saint afterwards. Its a win win win.

[Lulupab]

I mean c'mon. They tapped that ass and rolled that head in Ferelden for 80 years after Ferelden surrendered and those were humans. I shudder to think what happened to elves.

[Steelcan]

Like right now people are ignoring the fact that steelcan thinks the angelic Orlais spared all elves. Elves are openly allowed to be raped and killed after 700 years. What do you think happened when humans were most angry with elves? Others need to call your bull on this.

please point out where I said this, I said they killed those who fought them, which we know, and spared those who surrendered which we can infer from the creation of alienages and relevant codex entries

[LobselVith8]

Holy ****, are we all bonding? And all it took was a shared dislike for Celene and the Legion. It's like that southpark episode:

 

 

I think most people dislike the Legion. There's also that moment the Courier can use the terrifying presence perk when meeting Caesar:

 

Caesar: "You're the courier who's caused so much trouble for my Legion, and yet you dare come before me. Vulpes Inculta, the best of my frumentarii, is dead. All the bribes I sent to the Omertas ended up buying me nothing. The Great Khans aren't exactly clamoring to fight for my Legion now. The garrison I established at Nelson has been wiped out. Years of meticulous scheming to place a mole at Camp McCarran - wasted. The Kings of Freeside are cooperating with the NCR now, which frees up soldiers to defend the dam. You even disrupted a promising weapons deal with the Van Graffs. So tell me this, because I really want to know: I am feared - with good reason - but you of all people dare to come before me, the mighty Caesar. What were you thinking?"

 

Courier: "That I'd decorate this tent with your guts."

[Steelcan]

I provided. now I sit down and wait for yours. Either provide one or this is done. I repeat as well, what proof do you have that it didn't happen? At best you have soldiers unofficially doing their thing which still applies.

which does not make Orlais complicit in war crimes

[Steelcan]

Works for me, lol. I agree, the idea that the humans didn't tap that ass after taking them in is bullshit.

but saying that in happened in masse as implied, as well as mass murder, with no supporting evidence is not good arguing.

 

Saying it might have happened unofficially by those operating on their own is another matter

[MoonDrummer]

Surfacer problems

[Colonelkillabee]

I mean c'mon. They tapped that ass and rolled that head in Ferelden for 80 years after Ferelden surrendered and those were humans. I shudder to think what happened to elves.

Something similar to what happened to the legion in Teutoberg. Except stickier.

[Lulupab]

but saying that in happened in masse as implied, as well as mass murder, with no supporting evidence is not good arguing.

 

Saying it might have happened unofficially by those operating on their own is another matter

 

I never contested who did it, only that it happened. At best case scenario you have soldiers who are free from orders now doing it unofficially or "vigilantes" joing the fray. When a country is destroyed without a single building standing, its inevitable. No one shed any tears and there was no consequence so its perfect opportunity for savagery

[Colonelkillabee]

but saying that in happened in masse as implied, as well as mass murder, with no supporting evidence is not good arguing.

 

Saying it might have happened unofficially by those operating on their own is another matter

Honestly it really doesn't matter. My answer for if they had cause is still the same, mass rape or no mass rape. Since as I said, cause does not mean justified. Rape is never justified. Revenge needs no justification.

[Steelcan]

I never contested who did it, only that it happened. At best case scenario you have soldiers who are free from orders now doing it unofficially or "vigilantes" joing the fray. When a country is destroyed without a single building standing, its inevitable. No one shed any tears and there was no consequence so its perfect opportunity for savagery

Ok you have a position

 

now

 

give

 

me

 

evidence

[Steelcan]

Honestly it really doesn't matter. My answer for if they had cause is still the same, mass rape or no mass rape. Since as I said, cause does not mean justified. Rape is never justified. Revenge needs no justification.

I'm not arguing if its justified, of course its not, I'm contesting that there is proof that such atrocities happened.

 

In all likely hood yes they did happen, but there is no proof, there is no reason to believe the government of Orlais was complicit in it by either allowing it or covering it up.

[Colonelkillabee]

I'm not arguing if its justified, of course its not, I'm contesting that there is proof that such atrocities happened.

 

In all likely hood yes they did happen, but there is no proof, there is no reason to believe the government of Orlais was complicit in it by either allowing it or covering it up.

I know you're not, I'm just trying to bring this back to the topic at hand. Whether they mass raped them or not does absolutely nothing to this discussion. I think they likely did, and it does nothing to my position on this subject at all.

 

Proof or not, it's one of the very few situations that seems likely enough for me to believe it and not argue against it. Same as the elves saying Templars went into their land and killed them. I mean... come on.

[Colonelkillabee]

I know you're not, I'm just trying to bring this back to the topic at hand. Whether they mass raped them or not does absolutely nothing to this discussion. I think they likely did, and it does nothing to my position on this subject at all.

 

Proof or not, it's one of the very few situations that seems likely enough for me to believe it and not argue against it. Same as the elves saying Templars went into their land and killed them. I mean... come on.

This is also why I don't believe for a second that the elves accidentally killed the woman, by the way. So I'm not kissing ass for peace sake. I'm just being real.

[Lulupab]

Ok you have a position

 

now

 

give

 

me

 

evidence

 

I did and if you are going to ignore them so be it. Its not like I'm just talking to you specifically or I'd PM you. People already see what going on here. 

[Steelcan]

I did and if you are going to ignore them so be it. Its not like I'm just talking to you specifically or I'd PM you. People already see what going on here. 

you gave me

 

"it happened in other wars, so there's a 90% NO 99% it happened in this one, based on my own ideas"

[Master Warder Z_]

you gave me

"it happened in other wars, so there's a 90% NO 99% it happened in this one, based on my own ideas"

o.o honestly Steel do you expect different?

[Steelcan]

o.o honestly Steel do you expect different?

*sigh*

 

not really

[Master Warder Z_]

*sigh*

not really

Now kneel before Caesar.