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[Master Warder Z_]

I WILL BE DEAD BEFORE I SEE THE DALES IN THE HANDS OF AN ELF

I don't blame you.

o.o I'd give it to Orzammar if that was an option.

[LobselVith8]

O.O 

 

Just barely caught up and this thread has gone from "both sides are at fault" "well elves are MORE at fault, and the humans are justified" "No they aren't justified, what with murdering the elf who wandered close to their area." "Well they had a right to defend themselves from the elves attacking the town." "The elves weren't attacking the town, they were after one of their own, and besides, they didn't kill the whole town and not even the chantry says that." "Well the elves shouldn't have been there in the first place." "And what of the templars who infiltrated the Dales?" "Don't bring them up, I'm talking about red Crossing and how the elves hold more blame," "And I'm bringing that the tensions were shared on all sides, and the humans didn't try to solve them," "Neither did the elves," 

 

to

 

"The Chantry doesn't need to justify its inaction regarding the well-being of city elves, a fate forced upon them," "Well the elves wouldn't be in this position in the first place if it weren't for their ancestors," "And how they're being treated now is not right." "The elves should do something about it, but I'm going to kill Briala because she's upsetting the balane for humans." "How can you say elves should improve things for themselves and then oppose an elf doing just that?" "Becase I'm actually doing the work. "That's not an argument, you have to get Gasard on the throne since he can't get it himself. Might as well oppose him and all the chevalier's because they aren't doing any real work either." "He's the rightful ruler of Orlais." "And the elves have every right to live outside of slums, have jobs, and be treated with dignity. It's not going to be handed to them on a platter by remorseful humans."

 

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"Fall Out Vegas and Fall Out 4!"

 

......

 

Am I seeing this right?

 

Pretty much. The consensus at the moment seems to be that a dead Legion is the best Legion.

[Colonelkillabee]

City Elves should just trim their ears to look like human's that way humans will think these elves with plastic surgery are just malnourished/ deformed people 

So, Californians?

[dragonflight288]

Pretty much. The consensus at the moment seems to be that a dead Legion is the best Legion.

 

I agree. The Legion of the Dead is awesome. My Cadash Inquisitor made some smashingly cool looking Dead Legion armor. lol. 

[TheJediSaint]

I agree. The Legion of the Dead is awesome. My Cadash Inquisitor made some smashingly cool looking Dead Legion armor. lol. 

To be fair, that's a Legion worthy of its name.

[TEWR]

I don't blame you.

o.o I'd give it to Orzammar if that was an option.

 

Now you're talking my language.

[Master Warder Z_]

Pretty much. The consensus at the moment seems to be that a dead Legion is the best Legion.

Luckily Democracy isn't the Legion way.

So **** concenus.

[Colonelkillabee]

Luckily Democracy isn't the Legion way.

So **** concenus.

If you were a REAL Caesar fan, you'd know that it isn't really the NCR way either Not that I care, they both suck oodles of noodles.

[Master Warder Z_]

If you were a REAL Caesar fan, you'd know that it isn't really the NCR way either Not that I care, they both suck oodles of noodles.

o.o *random Latin insult*

[TheJediSaint]

If you were a REAL Caesar fan, you'd know that it isn't really the NCR way either Not that I care, they both suck oodles of noodles.

Guns and Brahmin.  That's how the NCR do.

[Colonelkillabee]

Guns and Brahmin.  That's how the NCR do.

Guns, Brahmin and watching Rangers do all the real fighting while the NCR troopers catch bullets and block machete strikes with their faces.

[RobRam10]

Guns, Brahmin and watching Rangers do all the real fighting while the NCR troopers catch bullets and block machete strikes with their faces.

Guns and Brahmin.  That's how the NCR do.

[Augustei]

I WILL BE DEAD BEFORE I SEE THE DALES IN THE HANDS OF AN ELF

I liked Varrics idea of A Dwarven King of Antiva.. Better yet, How bout all of Thedas bow before Bhelen? They will be the better for it.

[Augustei]

Eww Gross, part of me was hoping NCR fans were a myth.

To like the NCR is to like a government that is a B**ch to the Brahmin Barons, Whats so great about a bunch of old land owners with southern accents?

[errantknight]

Holy crap. I just have to respond to this:

 

.....you sound like a historical period Euro-American colonist/imperialist trying to justify what happened to the Native Americans because they got "compensated" with Christianity and "civilization".

 

Now I know better never to waste my time trying to argue with you.

Actually, the big problem with these debates is that people act like Thedas politics is real life and behave as though those they're arguing with are rl bigots/racists/colonialists/whateverists because they disagree on the chantry, elves or some point on the history of the exalted marches.

[Rekkampum]

By comparison, think to what your own sense of history considers important. Can you think of major events or developments of social and political consequence in the last twenty years? The last hundred? The last three hundred?

 

Several, not including the cessation of a gov't initiative that allowed one of the islands from my homeland to be used as a testing site for munitions, and a very important bill that counteracted the  gov't supported practice of seizing our children to be "Americanized" by other families. I could spout a laundry list of things I can remember that are largely unknown to those who aren't a part of our collective; privilige allows those who have oppressed or benefited from these measures to shape the narratives of those they colonize and in turn that affects how said individuals view themselves and others.

 

 

 

Grievances 700 years old interfering with the present are the moral fault of those who continue to hold them far more than those they hold them against. The people involved are long dead, and I am a firm believer that people who did not commit historic crimes should not be held responsible for things that occurred before they were born. By extension, I disapprove of people claiming injury for crimes that happened well before they were born and which living parties had no relationship to or ability to prevent.

 

This view is one many misunderstand. Systems of oppression are created specifically to ensure future generations of the dominant society continue to benefit and the converse for those whom are oppressed. There are laws set in place, as well as social climates specifically to foster this, and they can and do last until they're corrected, as well as effectt the gamut of said party. Simply acknowledging the privileges inherited from it is what many ask, not a confession.

[TEWR]

I liked Varrics idea of A Dwarven King of Antiva.. Better yet, How bout all of Thedas bow before Bhelen? They will be the better for it.

 

Do not speak that name in front of me!

[RobRam10]

Do not speak that name in front of me!

You didn't put Harrowmont on the throne did you?

[Rekkampum]

You didn't put Harrowmont on the throne did you?

Harrowmont was too sodding soft.

[TEWR]

You didn't put Harrowmont on the throne did you?

 

Hell no, Harrowmont needs to retire from politics. Hell he should never have been involved in the first place (and I think Bioware's begun to Flanderize him through Inquisition).

 

lol nah I just hate the set-up of Orzammar for a DN with a burning passion ever since I studied the lore and found that a Dwarf Noble could very much maneuver the societal and cultural levels to reclaim their name and title and even the throne.

 

Hence my sig. I'd explain but I'm kinda tired now.

[Augustei]

Hell no, Harrowmont needs to retire from politics. Hell he should never have been involved in the first place (and I think Bioware's begun to Flanderize him through Inquisition).

 

lol nah I just hate the set-up of Orzammar for a DN with a burning passion ever since I studied the lore and found that a Dwarf Noble could very much maneuver the societal and cultural levels to reclaim their name and title and even the throne.

 

Hence my sig. I'd explain but I'm kinda tired now.

That would require you to go up against King Bhelen. I don't like your odds.

Guy makes every other Monarch in Thedas look like Harrowmont in comparison to his shining glory.

[Wolfen09]

Eww Gross, part of me was hoping NCR fans were a myth.

To like the NCR is to like a government that is a B**ch to the Brahmin Barons, Whats so great about a bunch of old land owners with southern accents?

 

You havent been to the south have you?  The only thing great about those land owners is their money and hot young daughters.

[TheJediSaint]

Eww Gross, part of me was hoping NCR fans were a myth.

To like the NCR is to like a government that is a B**ch to the Brahmin Barons, Whats so great about a bunch of old land owners with southern accents?

To like the NCR is to recognize that there are much, much worse alternatives to a corrupt democracy.

[Addai]

Actually, the big problem with these debates is that people act like Thedas politics is real life and behave as though those they're arguing with are rl bigots/racists/colonialists/whateverists because they disagree on the chantry, elves or some point on the history of the exalted marches.

I haven't seen that here. Certainly not what I'm saying. However you have to look realistically at the situation of the elves. The oppression in the game is so absolute that it's actually much more severe than you would typically think of from RL comparisons of cultures in peacetime. You would think the wars had just happened yesterday- which is a criticism Dean seemed to be making, but only to say that the elves are holding onto the past.

 

In general, though, such arguments don't benefit from camps warring as if they're political factions, rather than looking at these from a universal humanistic (elvenistic) perspective that would let us see the poignant tragedy of things like Red Crossing rather than points scoring.

[Colonelkillabee]

In general, though, such arguments don't benefit from camps warring as if they're political factions, rather than looking at these from a universal humanistic (elvenistic) perspective that would let us see the poignant tragedy of things like Red Crossing rather than points scoring.

I'm sure most get the tragedy, and that the hostilities built up from both sides realistically made the human reaction to a murdered woman predictable, and the elven reaction to their people murdered predictable.

 

But, it still doesn't change what was brought up yesterday, which you yourself compared to first and third degree murder, and manslaughter, which whether you realize it or not was ironic, as that basically was an admission of guilt, as those are all convictions.

 

People get the tragedy, but I certainly don't blame people for not wanting to accept equal blame for a situation that could have been avoided.