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[Lenimph]

The Dalish are kinda like the people that worship DA:O. 

All DA games have big flaws.

 

Except for Leliana she is perf

[Master Warder Z_]

I'm not sure how having a pet wolf isn't an advantage.
You could alway light them on fire and catapult them into enemy lines.

...that's true good sir.

But that requires having the launcher.

Still I'll give you credit for the idea.

[Rekkampum]

I'm not sure how having a pet wolf isn't an advantage.
You could alway light them on fire and catapult them into enemy lines.

For some reason, I got an image of that happening to Mabari instead. Probably would've done wonders at Ostagar.

[Carmen_Willow]

“He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.” ― George Orwell, 1984

 

Think of how many times the Hebrews were enslaved, liberated and enslaved again, imagine what that did to their culture and history? Egypt, Babylon, Assyria, Macedonians, Romans, invaded and enslaved, that region has been a battlefield for multiple millennia. They had writing and still their story becomes muddled with time.

Then think of all the cultures who only had oral histories and how much that probably got distorted over the ages, and think of who is telling the story? And from what perspective? Think of other cultures whose histories were deliberately suppressed? How much was lost over time?

 

The elves did their best to preserve their culture. They got some of it wrong, they got some of it right. So do we all. I just don't get why Solas gives them such a hard time. Is he angry because of what they wasted? And was it Solas who was angry, or the Dread Wolf, or both?

 

And something I was wondering:  Is he down on the Wardens because in trying to save the world from the Blight, are they slaughtering his relatives; i.e., old gods? What does he expect them to do with a blighted god? Or is he projecting his anger at himself on the elves and the Wardens for his own failure to return in time to keep this from happening?  Inquiring minds wish to know.

 

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[Addai]

We know the Dalish were the nobles. The codex confirmed it. A great deal of Dalish prejudice towards the city elves related to their natural subservience given their role in the Dales.

Which codex? The Dalish believe they were the nobles, that's all. Or rather that their Keeper lineages are, at any rate. There's very little certainty about Arlathan's fall, however.

The elves did their best to preserve their culture. They got some of it wrong, they got some of it right. So do we all. I just don't get why Solas gives them such a hard time. Is he angry because of what they wasted? And was it Solas who was angry, or the Dread Wolf, or both?

As he'll admit in a couple contexts, he's expecting things of the Dalish that they aren't capable of. I think a lot of it is misdirected anger at himself. He blames himself for the current state of things, after all. However he's also frustrated that his attempts to help present day elves have been misunderstood and rejected.

And yeah, I think he's angry at the Wardens because in trying to unearth old gods, they could unleash worse things than the Blight. He says this at the ritual tower.

[In Exile]

Doesn't change the fact that in order for the dalish to reach Val Royeaux they had to go through most of the other major cities in Orlais. Which begs the question of where did the reinforcements that routed the elves come from.

Templars (crushing Dalish mages) and mages. We don't know if the Dalish had templars. If they didn't, the templars may well have wreaked havoc.

[In Exile]

Which codex? The Dalish believe they were the nobles, that's all. Or rather that their Keeper lineages are, at any rate. There's very little certainty about Arlathan's fall, however.

As he'll admit in a couple contexts, he's expecting things of the Dalish that they aren't capable of. I think a lot of it is misdirected anger at himself. He blames himself for the current state of things, after all. However he's also frustrated that his attempts to help present day elves have been misunderstood and rejected.

And yeah, I think he's angry at the Wardens because in trying to unearth old gods, they could unleash worse things than the Blight. He says this at the ritual tower.

Oh you mean Arlathan. I thought you were talking solely about the Dalish post Dales. Their codex suggests most (mages and non-mages) were nobility.

[Colonelkillabee]

 

Except for Leliana she is perf

Marjolaine would like a word. The woman she couldn't stand up to without assistance in a simple verbal bout. Pathetic.

[Lulupab]

Templars (crushing Dalish mages) and mages. We don't know if the Dalish had templars. If they didn't, the templars may well have wreaked havoc.

No if anything it was mages. Orlais either had scrub mages before the circle joining them or had none. If Emerald knights beat Chevaliers, Templars are a walk on the park. Templar abilities are as useless as breasts on men on none-mages.

[Colonelkillabee]

Woopty ****ing doo
 

ROFL

[Br3admax]

Which codex? The Dalish believe they were the nobles, that's all. Or rather that their Keeper lineages are, at any rate. There's very little certainty about Arlathan's fall, however.

You do realise all these clans are made up of extended families yes? Even if at they start they weren't, which is possible, I'm sure favored servants and stewards were taken, they would all be now. It's been over a thousand years. 

[jxd73]

I find it a bit hard to believe the modern elves had lost so much even though they had a written language, it'd be much more believable if their history were transmitted orally. 

[In Exile]

No if anything it was mages. Orlais either had scrub mages before the circle joining them or had none. If Emerald knights beat Chevaliers, Templars are a walk on the park. Templar abilities are as useless as breasts on men on none-mages.

The Dales didn't leash their mages. I think you're underestimating how devastating a standing army with trained battle mages (e.g. KEs/AWs).

[Lulupab]

The Dales didn't leash their mages. I think you're underestimating how devastating a standing army with trained battle mages (e.g. KEs/AWs).

Of course, but you were overestimating Templars. Emerald knights were main bulk of Dalish army. They had very good training and were armed to the teeth with magical and enchanted equipment. Their mages surely played a role but it was most likely a support one for the knights. Barriers, healing, path opening, ranged support etc...

The Templars had to go though Emerald knights to do anything to mages and Templars have no ranged ability other than bows which is n't anti-magic. Orlais needed mages to support its own standing army to match the Dalish army.

[In Exile]

Of course, but you were overestimating Templars. Emerald knights were main bulk of Dalish army. They had very good training and were armed to the teeth with magical and enchanted equipment. Their mages surely played a role but it was most likely a support one for the knights. Barriers, healing, path opening, ranged support etc...

The Templars had to go though Emerald knights to do anything to mages and Templars have no ranged ability other than bows which is n't anti-magic. Orlais needed mages to support its own standing army to match the Dalish army.

I think you're greatly underestimating mages. They were the difference in the war with the qunari. The qunari had superior weapons, tactics, training, technology ... and they lost to people who shoot fire from their hands. The ability of Dalish mages to unleash modern scale warfare (e.g. the equivalent of an artillery barrage) on medieval troops is huge.

[Hellion Rex]

I think you're greatly underestimating mages. They were the difference in the war with the qunari. The qunari had superior weapons, tactics, training, technology ... and they lost to people who shoot fire from their hands. The ability of Dalish mages to unleash modern scale warfare (e.g. the equivalent of an artillery barrage) on medieval troops is huge.

Plus, their control over earth and nature magic would have been a powerful advantage.

[Lulupab]

I think you're greatly underestimating mages. They were the difference in the war with the qunari. The qunari had superior weapons, tactics, training, technology ... and they lost to people who shoot fire from their hands. The ability of Dalish mages to unleash modern scale warfare (e.g. the equivalent of an artillery barrage) on medieval troops is huge.

No I'm saying if only Templars joined almost nothing would've changed.
If only mages joined then anything could change.
Both joined so it actually worked.

On one side you have elite knights backed up by mages and no matter what you put on the other side, even the best Templars, if they don't have mages they have no chance. I merely contested the Templar importance in this. There are way too many none-mages elite knights for Templars to be useful, specially if enemy mages are behind a front line of knights.

[Master Warder Z_]

Plus, their control over earth and nature magic would have been a powerful advantage.

It just stopped nattering.

[In Exile]

No I'm saying if only Templars joined almost nothing would've changed.
If only mages joined then anything could change.
Both joined so it actually worked.

On one side you have elite knights backed up by mages and no matter what you put on the other side, even the best Templars, if they don't have mages they have no chance. I merely contested the Templar importance in this. There are way too many none-mages elite knights for Templars to be useful, specially if enemy mages are behind a front line of knights.

I think gameplay and lore are different. That is Templars seem to be more warriors with Mana Clash in the lore.

[Hellion Rex]

No I'm saying if only Templars joined almost nothing would've changed.
If only mages joined then anything could change.
Both joined so it actually worked.

On one side you have elite knights backed up by mages and no matter what you put on the other side, even the best Templars, if they don't have mages they have no chance. I merely contested the Templar importance in this. There are way too many none-mages elite knights for Templars to be useful, specially if enemy mages are behind a front line of knights.

Not quite. If Dalish mages enchant and/or drop barriers onto their Emerald Knights, surely Templars could cut through such magic like butter. Hell, Templars could technically dispel anything the Dalish mages try to do to enhance the Emerald Knights.

[Lulupab]

I think gameplay and lore are different. That is Templars seem to be more warriors with Mana Clash in the lore.

Indeed, they can block spells and do anti-magicy things, in melee range. They cannot throw Lyrium anti-magic blasts over the field. Like they have to get close. That's a huge disadvantage.

if anything they are stronger in gameplay than they are in the lore. They cannot create raw magic from thin air, holy smite in DAO was a big fat lie to make Templar spec playable and not useless.

[Lulupab]

Quite. N

 

Not quite. If Dalish mages enchant and/or drop barriers onto their Emerald Knights, surely Templars could cut through such magic like butter. Hell, Templars could technically dispel anything the Dalish mages try to do to enhance the Emerald Knights.

 

Mages can do everything templars can do and then more, so much more. Also I'd like to see an enchanted equipment disenchanted. A Templar is absolutely powerless if he is occupied with a Emerald knight who is a better warrior and a mage who is well out of of his reach is casting spells freely. Mages made the difference in like almost all Thedosian wars.

[raging_monkey]

Now we nitpick over magic

[Colonelkillabee]

Now we nitpick over magic

 

Personally I liked it better when we were all making fun of the caesar's salad tossers and the COD fanboys.

[raging_monkey]

Personally I liked it better when we were all making fun of the caesar's salad tossers and the COD fanboys.

like i said people like to rage