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[Steelcan]

Out of 15 circles, all 14 successfully rebelled and left the circles. That means Templar were not as strong as you think when mages were united.

yeah and they promptly started losing the war

[Lulupab]

Rebelling is one thing during a time of chaos. Winning's another. Look where the mages ended up and who was on the run, what they had to resort to, etc etc.

 

If Tevinter magisters got their asses kicked when fighting them like the wartable suggested, then that shows just how effective they can potentially be. Doesn't mean they'll always win though. I'm certainly in the camp that says they really shouldn't be that good considering they mostly fight bathrobes and the occasional odd demon once in every blue moon.

 

Tevinter magisters were surprised, as its said in the mission. Its believable. In other wars where tevinter fought Orlais, the Templars were also surprised when Tevinters used their own kind of magic. 

[Lulupab]

yeah and they promptly started losing the war

 

No they didn't. Templars need red Lyrium to be one the same level as mage enemies. It says a lot about the power level. Alexius tricked mages into thinking they are losing while in fact they weren't.

[Steelcan]

No they didn't. Templars need red Lyrium to be one the same level as mage enemies. It says a lot about the power level. Alexius tricked mages into thinking they are losing while in fact they weren't.

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the fact that normal templars turn mages into completely useless combatants isn't enough?  We need to supercharge them even more?  Also, lol@ Alexius tricking them into thinking they were losing.  Recliffe was surrounded by rogue templars, they couldn't even break through that paltry force, how on Earth did they expect to stand up to the proper Templar Order

[Lulupab]

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the fact that normal templars turn mages into completely useless combatants isn't enough?  We need to supercharge them even more?  Also, lol@ Alexius tricking them into thinking they were losing.  Recliffe was surrounded by rogue templars, they couldn't even break through that paltry force, how on Earth did they expect to stand up to the proper Templar Order

 

LOL, it wasn't. Apostates and Templars were having an even battle at the hinterlands. The Templars WERE NOT actually planning an invasion, nor they could. Mages hired sell swords to deal with Templars and you are forgetting the fact that Templars have zero anti-magic abilities from a range. They cannot throw anti-magic lyrium blasts overt he field. They need to get close. That is a huge advantage for the mages.

[Steelcan]

LOL, it wasn't. Apostates and Templars were having an even battle at the hinterlands. The Templars WERE NOT actually planning an invasion, nor they could. Mages hired sell swords to deal with Templars and you are forgetting the fact that Templars have zero anti-magic abilities from a range. They cannot throw anti-magic lyrium blasts overt he field. They need to get close. That is a huge advantage for the mages.

That Fiona was so desperate as to accept Tevinter help speaks otherwise

 

She may have been a pants on head moron incapable of good or competent decision making, but she's not one to make up threats.  She knew their backs were up against he wall, and she knew it was only a matter of time before the Templars came for them.  Fortunately, for her, Corpyheus intervened.  But if Lambert hadn't been killed, Redcliffe would have been torched

[Lulupab]

That Fiona was so desperate as to accept Tevinter help speaks otherwise

 

She may have been a pants on head moron incapable of good or competent decision making, but she's not one to make up threats.  She knew their backs were up against he wall, and she knew it was only a matter of time before the Templars came for them.  Fortunately, for her, Corpyheus intervened.  But if Lambert hadn't been killed, Redcliffe would have been torched

 

First of all I invite you to read this direct quote about mage-Templar war: "The surviving first enchanters, the Grand Enchanter among them, retreated to the fortress of Andoral's Reach. Most of the fifteen Circles rose against the templars, with thousands of mages gathering at Andoral's Reach in the following months. It is predicted that with hundreds of mages manning the battlements, they could fend off an army ten times their size."

 

The mages were having an even battle until the explosion at the conclave which caused the world to believe mages were responsible (briefly), it turned the whole world against them and mages lost their allies. Then Alexius tricked Fiona that a large host of Templars is attacking while in fact there was no invasion, many people in recliff believed templars are going to attack but there was no invasion. Templars WERE NOT GOING TO ATTACK. So you are discussing hyperboles with me right now. Crazed templars at hinterland were a handful of Templars who only had a camp. Same for crazed apostates who cut ties with redcliff. Destroy their camp and they no longer have any presence in hinterlands.

 

Not to mention Redcliff withstood greater threats that Templars because its a very formidable fortress. It hasn't fallen for thousand years.

[Steelcan]

First of all I invite you to read this direct quote about mage-Templar war: "The surviving first enchanters, the Grand Enchanter among them, retreated to the fortress of Andoral's Reach. Most of the fifteen Circles rose against the templars, with thousands of mages gathering at Andoral's Reach in the following months. It is predicted that with hundreds of mages manning the battlements, they could fend off an army ten times their size."

Not to mention Redcliff withstood greater threats that Templars because its a very formidable fortress. It hasn't fallen for thousand years.

And then they left Andoral's Reach and are now in Redcliffe...so its not really relevant now is it

 

It fell when the Orlesians took Ferelden not even a century before, please get your facts right

[Lulupab]

And then they left Andoral's Reach and are now in Redcliffe...so its not really relevant now is it

 

It fell when the Orlesians took Ferelden not even a century before, please get your facts right

 

No, I meant a thousand years before Orlais capturing it.

 

Also Orlais >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> templar order in matters of power.

 

The fact that Templars are useless from a range is still a real matter. Arrows are not anti-magic and can be blocked by barriers like any other projectile. Templars will have a very large disadvantage at range. There was no plan of Templar attack, because they cannot take Redcliff, and it will anger Ferelden and Ferelden army will eat Templars for breakfast.

[Steelcan]

Right so it didn't fall recently, as long as we ignore that it fell recently?

 

lol, Ferelden is in a pretty pitiful shape right now, I doubt they would want to come to blows with the Templars over the mages.  Alistair may be idealistic, but if the choice is open war with the Templars, or just letting them through, I don't see him sacrificing Ferelden lives for it

[Lulupab]

Right so it didn't fall recently, as long as we ignore that it fell recently?
 
lol, Ferelden is in a pretty pitiful shape right now, I doubt they would want to come to blows with the Templars over the mages.  Alistair may be idealistic, but if the choice is open war with the Templars, or just letting them through, I don't see him sacrificing Ferelden lives for it

Right, Because Redcliff people won't die. In the small raid in which templars attacked redcliff and died, the majority of casualty were people of redcliff, not mages. So yes, Ferelden would retaliate to mere idea of a march on Redcliff.

BTW Redcliff fell to starvation, it didn't actually fell as in walls were torn or something. templars can't lay a siege for a year where people of Redcliff live. They will get full wrath of Ferelden.

[Colonelkillabee]

Speaking of making small raids n' such, I talk a lot of **** at Fiona's expense, but I gotta say... Alistair's mom's a bit of a milf, no?

 

 

I'd storm her castle, lol.

[Lulupab]

I'm a straight female and I agree that Fiona is hot, and she is quite old. So yes, definitely a milf.

[LOLandStuff]

Too bad the dumb is a major turn off.

[Lulupab]

She doesn't think when she has to decide in a panic situation. She took very rational decisions in the calling novel. Its a special sort of dumb. Everything about her is special anyway. People call her snowflake for a reason. But she never was in my opinion.

[Br3admax]

Well I'm a straight male, and I'll say there are billions of Fionas out there. Average looking people who never take responsibility are a dime a dozen. I'll aim a little higher than one that's old enough to be my grandmother.  

[errantknight]

People who can't think under pressure probably shouldn't be leaders

[Colonelkillabee]

Well I'm a straight male, and I'll say there are billions of Fionas out there. Average looking people who never take responsibility are a dime a dozen. I'll aim a little higher than one that's old enough to be my grandmother.  

Spoiler

 

 

More mature sexy elven women for me then, lololol.

[Lulupab]

People who can't think under pressure probably shouldn't be leaders

 

I liked her more before she became grand enchanter. Who the hell voted to make her grand enchanter. I mean even Vivienne says she is a good person but shouldn't be a leader. 

 

Although one should notice grand enchanters don't have to give orders under pressure. They just speak for mages of Thedas. During a rebellion though, its far from that.

[In Exile]

In the real world, incidentally, lack of combat experience usually makes an army bad at warfare, even if its soldiers are regularly trained and drilled. There are very very very very few exceptions to this rule (and even those exceptions come with qualifications) before the early twentieth century, when Western industrial powers first started to employ systematic institutional training methods. The Great War was probably the first war that was fought well on both sides from a standing start.

So the fact that templars rarely participate in organized, large-scale combat ought to have made them a relatively negligible quantity on the battlefield. But it did not, obviously, because of the twentieth-century paradigm through which BioWare's writers appear to view warfare.

Bioware doesn't get military tactics. We just need to accept that part.

[Br3admax]

Spoiler

 

 

More mature sexy elven women for me then, lololol.

There is nothing mature or sexy about Fiona. She spent half her screentime crying. 

[errantknight]

Te thing is, how much experience or calm under pressure does it take to not ally with blood mages who are enemies of your country? Not a lot, I think.

[Colonelkillabee]

There is nothing mature or sexy about Fiona. She spent half her screentime crying. 

She just needs a hug. And a nice big Shemlen with chest hair like the Korcari Wilds and a savage lust more wild than an Avvar kidnapping his future bride.

 

Eyes so blue that they pierce her soul and make her knees weak. Strong arms that sweep her off her feet and a rugged beard that brushes against her neck as I whisper into her ear and say, "Come to my castle, my little elven minx."

 

 

MMMM

[Lulupab]

Te thing is, how much experience or calm under pressure does it take to not ally with blood mages who are enemies of your country? Not a lot, I think.

 

How much? Against blood mages with time magic at their disposal who perfectly fake an idea of Templar invasion that will wipe the mages out, a lot actually. Try to think what happened at redcliff without the hindsight of a player.

 

Here you are after a Templar raid that killed mages and people of redliff alike, refugees arriving with the news of templar army massing to march on redcliff. Then you have apostates and Templars on an all out war in Hinterlands. If templars were really attacking then she made the right choice.