I'm starting to wonder if all the people supporting killing people simply for being elves aren't racist themselves and replacing elves with a real life minority.
Could be any number of things. Some people just don't like the way that elves are generally represented in Fantasy. For instance, I can see how a fan of TLOTR can come to Dragon Age and go "great, them again". And some people just don't like Dragon Age's elves.
It was just banterI'm starting to wonder if all the people supporting killing people simply for being elves aren't racist themselves and replacing elves with a real life minority.
Chevaliers are allowed to rape anyone they want. Just talk to the Orlesian merchant in Denerim in DAO. Chevaliers aren't doing this for justice, they are just racist a-holes who take what they want. They aren't good at all.
So, the Military Leadership of Orlais sends Chevalier recruits to alienages with the sole objective of killing as many elves as they possibly can?
Do you have a source which supports your claim that the Imperial Officers specifically order them to indiscriminately murder every elf they come across?
No such source exits, so no, they don't.
Ser Michel describes it as a final, terrible, hazing ritual before they take their vows. They're taken for a night on the town, gotten dead drunk, and told to go into the Alienage and put a criminal to death.
They are not told to kill every elf they come across, nor to burn the place down, nor to reenact a Purge, or any other such foolishness.
They are, however, the scions of noble families, with all that entails, and the instructors don't ask for proof of criminal activity come morning.
I don't condone it, but I believe that the tactic of using hyperbole to blow it out of proportion actually cheapens the horror we are supposed to feel. As though the detractors feel like state sponsored drunken murders somehow aren't bad enough.
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Could be any number of things. Some people just don't like the way that elves are generally represented in Fantasy. For instance, I can see how a fan of TLOTR can come to Dragon Age and go "great, them again". And some people just don't like Dragon Age's elves.
This.
I find DA elves boring and generic. Thus, as a people, I hardly give a toss about them.
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Chevaliers aren't doing this for justice, they are just racist a-holes who take what they want. They aren't good at all.
Don't you think it's a bit of a stretch to generalize all Chevalier recruits in such a manner?
Don't you think it's a bit of a stretch to generalize all Chevalier recruits in such a manner?
When you have to murder someone to become a member, I don't have a positive view of any of its members.
Not even his imperial awesomeness, Grand Duke Gaspard?When you have to murder someone to become a member, I don't have a positive view of any of its members.
Like I said, I've joined my own faction called Common Sense
I joke about elven deaths and such all the time. TES bias mostly. But a lot of these dudes are actually serious, lol, and I like my elven trim every now and then too much to be down with that.
No more defending from my end. Only person I speak for is myself.
I think I have spent enough time on internet to realize a joke about death and a serious one. (although "death" here literally means pixel people dying).
I could see the TES bias, but how come its superior to your LOTR bias where elves are better? 
I'm starting to wonder if all these people supporting elves are "oppressed" themselves and replacing elves with themselves.
Even if they were, and I know for a fact one of them is not because Addai and I (believe it or not) are actually friends, lol...
Don't you think that's... like... a much better stance to take than being a racist ass hole in real life and reflecting the douchebaggery here in the forums? Rhetorical. The answer is yes.
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When you have to murder someone to become a member, I don't have a positive view of any of its members.
Even if the Chevalier recruit murders a criminal and only a criminal?
Don't you think it's a bit of a stretch to generalize all Chevalier recruits in such a manner?
When you have to murder someone to become a member, I don't have a positive view of any of its members.
Seems more like a peer pressure kind of thing that a lot of them endure. I'm sure there are outliers who chose to forgoe the slaughtering of elves, which probably didn't end well for them in terms of credibility amongst their peers.
DA humans aren't boring and generic? This is the problem I have playing one, at least a Cousland, Hawke or Trevelyan. There's no heroic arc. The best you can do is say "I'm one of the boring assholes and after many heroic struggles I reinforce my people's bloated sense of self importance- yay!"This.
I find DA elves boring and generic. Thus, I hardly give a toss about them.
I don't know about that. They seem to relish the slaughter, apart from Michel who has obvious reasons to be uncomfortable with it. There's also Morrigan's comment that some Orlesian nobles consider hunting Dalish as good sport. It has much the same tone as the chevalier initiation.Seems more like a peer pressure kind of thing that a lot of them endure. I'm sure there are outliers who chose to forgoe the slaughtering of elves, which probably didn't end well for them in terms of credibility amongst their peers.
Yes, he does. He'll say "elves don't belong in politics," for instance. Which was pretty f'in stupid to say to my Dalish Inquisitor.Especially considering the membership has been fairly diverse in opinion regarding such things.
Gaspard doesn't have some innate hatred of elves.
Why are they restricted to the alienage to find these criminals?Even if the Chevalier recruit murders a criminal and only a criminal?
Not even his imperial awesomeness, Grand Duke Gaspard?
Especially him. I have plenty of reasons to dislike him apart from being a chevalier. I reconcile Celene and Briala and gladly let him die. I'm just sad I couldn't be there to see the execution.
I think I have spent enough time on internet to realize a joke about death and a serious one. (although "death" here literally means pixel people dying).
I could see the TES bias, but how come its superior to your LOTR bias where elves are better?
I dunno, I'm pretty convincing sometimes 
I'm not as big a fan of LOTR as I am the elder scrolls, that's the basic answer. While I love the Dunmer, my favorite race is the Nords, who while not all are racist, they are culturally Xenophobic, and honestly, it's fun to roleplay as a racist ****** sometimes, lol. Nationalism is fun, which often comes with racism. Though not always, as I'm a nationalist in real life but not at all racist. I can't be, really, lol. I mean, I can but it'd be hypocritical.
Typically, I'm not a big fan of elves in general, but I do admire the lore here for them. A lot of it's actually rather intriguing, especially after Inquisition.
Letting Celene live? Tut tutEspecially him. I have plenty of reasons to dislike him apart from being a chevalier. I reconcile Celene and Briala and gladly let him die. I'm just sad I couldn't be there to see the execution.
DA humans aren't boring and generic? This is the problem I have playing one, at least a Cousland, Hawke or Trevelyan. There's no heroic arc. The best you can do is say "I'm one of the boring assholes and after many heroic struggles I reinforce my people's bloated sense of self importance- yay!"
Especially regarding Cousland, whose story is more about revenge and making your own path as a warden than anything else. Which from our conversation in the Witcher forums with Costin, I know you know better.
DA humans aren't boring and generic? This is the problem I have playing one, at least a Cousland, Hawke or Trevelyan. There's no heroic arc. The best you can do is say "I'm one of the boring assholes and after many heroic struggles I reinforce my people's bloated sense of self importance- yay!"
It would be different if they let us play as a Chasind or Avvar.
Because members of the dominant culture can't be heroes?
And what would you call "avenge your family and restore its honor" if not an heroic arc?
Honestly, calling humans, as a whole, generic when you have the nation of the humans who place image and form over function above everyone and appreciate a woven intrigue and the nation of the humans who are practical and respect martial strenght and the nation of the humans who hold on to religion for everything else was taken from them and the nation of the human who divide into smaller nations for freedom matters above everything and then there's the nation of the humans who worship a phanteon and live in little, matriarchal societies is unfair to the world building the writers worked on.
Letting Celene live? Tut tut
That's just terrible. It's hard to believe ANYONE would hate Orlais enough to inflict Celene upon it.
Letting Celene live? Tut tut
Better her than the guy who says elves don't belong in politics to an elven inquisitor and outright says he's going to start a war if he's in charge.
I don't know about that. They seem to relish the slaughter, apart from Michel who has obvious reasons to be uncomfortable with it. There's also Morrigan's comment that some Orlesian nobles consider hunting Dalish as good sport. It has much the same tone as the chevalier initiation.
Which is why I used the word "outlier" in describing such individuals. The fact that it is a 'hazing ritual' or 'informal initiation' and that they may be racist doesn't relinquish the innate peer pressure that a lot of them carry in such a 'graduation' situation.
Alas, the majority of them can walk into a dragon's mouth for all I care.
Even if they were, and I know for a fact one of them is not because Addai and I (believe it or not) are actually friends, lol...
Don't you think that's... like... a much better stance to take than being a racist ass hole in real life and reflecting the douchebaggery here in the forums? Rhetorical. The answer is yes.
I think it's kind of assholish to assume one needs to be racist to hate triangles. Elves, contrary to the venom spit by half the people in this thread on their behalf, are not real and do not deserve the respect and acceptance that a real person does. They are an idea. They are a concept. This is the same of the dwarves, the qunari, and Thedas humans. No one needs to pretend they don't want to mass murder a bunch of knife-ears, anymore than they need to pretend eradicating the darkspawn wouldn't be just dandy.
In Inquisition, the dagger Knightslayer says that the Chevaliers tradition does involve them killing any elf. Also, in TME where Michel describes his initiation.
That same dagger describes it as a "graduation tradition" rather than a requirement.
If anything, it's like a fraternity tradition where you don't actually have to do shots from a strippers breasts...but you won't be one of the cool kids if you don't.
Well he won my voteBetter her than the guy who says elves don't belong in politics to an elven inquisitor and outright says he's going to start a war if he's in charge.
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