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[thesuperdarkone2]

Well he won my vote

And he was executed for me. And the world was much better for it.

[Addai]

Because members of the dominant culture can't be heroes?

No, but it doesn't really work for me. Cousland was just okay, because of their history in the rebellion and their tragic slaughter (lol). Hawke becoming a noble- yawn. Trevelyan is the worst. "I serve the Chantry because mummy and daddy said I had to." Ugh.

You don't try very hard then if that's what you really believe Especially regarding Cousland, whose story is more about revenge and making your own path as a warden than anything else. Which from our conversation in the Witcher forums with Costin, I know you know better.

Like I told you, the humans in southern Thedas are the imperials of ES. Boring assholes who think they get to run the place because they already have the wealth and power. Screw that. I enjoy seeing them get taken down a peg by their "lessers."

[Colonelkillabee]

I think it's kind of assholish to assume one needs to be racist to hate triangles.

On that, I agree. I still get hate mail on my blog from people who think I'm a white racist neo nazi for supporting the stormcloaks, because they're dumbasses who can't look past white skin, blonde hair and blue eye germanic stereotypes.

However, I've also encountered actual racists who did support stormcloaks because they too can't see past this stereotype and assume we're kin. Which is rather unsettling to find out about someone later on after you've befriended them.

Your comment however doesn't deny anything, it just spins their comment around, and in doing that puts them in a more positive light, which I thought you should be aware of.

[MoonDrummer]

Aldmeri dominion for lyfe

[Colonelkillabee]

Like I told you, the humans in southern Thedas are the imperials of ES. Boring assholes who think they get to run the place because they already have the wealth and power. Screw that. I enjoy seeing them get taken down a peg by their "lessers."

Well that's all well and good as far as your opinion goes, but making such sweeping generalizations about people's characters who you know nothing about as far as their roleplay goes isn't cool. And rather offensive to me personally. Especially since my characters are nothing like that. I'm not a big fan of elves, but I don't assume anything about your Lavellan. Obviously, or I would never have bothered reading or promoting your fanfic.

[EmissaryofLies]

Like I told you, the humans in southern Thedas are the imperials of ES. Boring assholes who think they get to run the place because they already have the wealth and power. Screw that. I enjoy seeing them get taken down a peg by their "lessers."

 

I hear you.

[MisterJB]

Quite frankly, why should the elves participate in politics?

There's 10,000 of them in Val-Royeaux in what is Thedas' largest alienage.

That means they're probably not even 1% in Ferelden which has over a million human inhabitants.

[Lulupab]

Aldmeri dominion for lyfe

 

Its not about being better, because unlike DA an individual high elf is better in almost all aspects compared to a nord. Altmer are paragons of civilization on TES, literature and research is their legacy which other races have learned from them. Magic is their birthright, they live thousand years more than others etc... But that's no reason to be arseholes about it and go to wars just because "we are better".

[Br3admax]

Your comment however doesn't deny anything, it just spins their comment around, and in doing that puts them in a more positive light, which I thought you should be aware of.

Which was the point. It's wrong of me to assume they have to be a minority to like elves, just as much as they are wrong to say one must be racist to hate elves.I can play any color under the son human, but that wouldn't matter because humans aren't "oppressed," and that really grinds my gears. Unless I support elves, which I won't comment on as I have plenty of time before, I'm probably a racist. 

[Addai]

Quite frankly, why should the elves participate in politics?
There's 10,000 of them in Val-Royeaux in what is Thedas' largest alienage.
That means they're probably not even 1% in Ferelden which has over a million human inhabitants.

I... don't even know what to say to that.

Well that's all well and good as far as your opinion goes, but making such sweeping generalizations about people's characters who you know nothing about as far as their roleplay goes isn't cool. And rather offensive to me personally. Especially since my characters are nothing like that. I'm not a big fan of elves, but I don't assume anything about your Lavellan. Obviously, or I would never have bothered reading or promoting your fanfic.

If you can make it work for you, that's fine and more power to you. I just can't.

[Br3admax]

Its not about being better, because unlike DA an individual high elf is better in almost all aspects compared to a nord. Altmer are paragons of civilization on TES, literature and research is their legacy which other races have learned from them. Magic is their birthright, they live thousand years more than others etc... But that's no reason to be arseholes about it and go to wars just because "we are better".

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[thesuperdarkone2]

Quite frankly, why should the elves participate in politics?

There's 10,000 of them in Val-Royeaux in what is Thedas' largest alienage.

That means they're probably not even 1% in Ferelden which has over a million human inhabitants.

Are you seriously suggesting minorities shouldn't get involved because they are minorities? Should Native Americans not get involved in politics because there are few of them?

 

They should get involved as there will never get any better conditions by themselves. The fact that it's a tradition to kill an elf for the Chevaliers and your companions in DA2 outright admitting that no court will prosecute someone for killing elves clearly indicates that elves won't get anywhere by themselves.

[TK514]

We have drifted far afield.

[MisterJB]

Boring assholes who think they get to run the place because they already have the wealth and power.

Right, so the struggles of those who would become orlesians to mantain their independance from Tevinter which were powerfully illustrated by códex entries in this game matters not at all?

It doesn't entitle them to "run the place"? That place being the nation they built over generations?

[dragonflight288]

Quite frankly, why should the elves participate in politics?

There's 10,000 of them in Val-Royeaux in what is Thedas' largest alienage.

That means they're probably not even 1% in Ferelden which has over a million human inhabitants.

 

Because utilizing only servants eyes and ears, an elf is able to blackmail Orlais' greatest general and potential emperor into compliance. The elves are everywhere. They are the servants, the gutter trash, the ladies in waiting, and even bards. They see everything, and under Briala, are organized. They also are the most suited to using the eluvians as per TME, so they can travel freely where active eluvians are far faster than any messenger or caravan bearing supplies and with far less discomfort than a human. 

 

Only a fool would disregard them simply because of their ears. 

[Lulupab]

Quite frankly, why should the elves participate in politics?

There's 10,000 of them in Val-Royeaux in what is Thedas' largest alienage.

That means they're probably not even 1% in Ferelden which has over a million human inhabitants.

 

The world most successful government is Switzerland, the majority which are the German speakers get one voiceon federation. The Romansh people who are roughly 1% of the country also get one voice on federation. The Italian and French speakers also get theirs and you have the Swiss confederation, a government that has been successful and unchanged since the first day Switzerland was born and is probably the oldest and most successful government that hasn't need reforms to move to the modern age. 

 

So yes, elves should either get their nations or be treated far better if they are going to live in human lands. That means participating in politics and removal of alienages.

[Colonelkillabee]

Its not about being better, because unlike DA an individual high elf is better in almost all aspects compared to a nord. Altmer are paragons of civilization on TES, literature and research is their legacy which other races have learned from them. Magic is their birthright, they live thousand years more than others etc... But that's no reason to be arseholes about it and go to wars just because "we are better".

You buy into their propaganda too much. High elves, Imperials, they all shared the common language of the ehlnofey. Ehlnofex. The word TALOS, is ehlnofex, which means Stormcrown. A name Nords gave Hjalti Early Beard after Wulfharth, the breath of Kyne demonstrated his thu'um and abilities as if they were his.

The Imperials were actually Nords until Morrowind. Hence, Humans had their own language way before Altmer entered the picture. This is fact among lore enthusiasts.

[dragonflight288]

The world most successful government is Switzerland, the majority which are the German speakers get one voiceon federation. The Romansh people who are roughly 1% of the country also get one voice on federation. The Italian and French speakers also get theirs and you have the Swiss confederation, a government that has been successful and unchanged since the first day Switzerland was born and is probably the oldest and most successful government that hasn't need reforms to move to the modern age. 

 

So yes, elves should either get their nations or be treated far better if they are going to live in human lands. That means participating in politics and removal of alienages.

 

Switzerland also has the lowest gun violence in the world, and the largest number of gunowners. Every household has a gun.

[MisterJB]

Are you seriously suggesting minorities shouldn't get involved because they are minorities?

 

They should get involved as there will never get any better conditions by themselves. The fact that it's a tradition to kill an elf for the Chevaliers and your companions in DA2 outright admitting that no court will prosecute someone for killing elves clearly indicates that elves won't get anywhere by themselves.

I'm saying, rather than suggesting, that if you're 0,5% of the population and you expect to have a place in the King's court that merits the same as a Theirn that overlooks a third of Ferelden, you have a serious overblown estimation of your importance.

 

And, as others have pointed out, elves aren't real world minorities. I'm not even American. Your business with the Natives is not mine.

[dragonflight288]

I'm saying, rather than suggesting, that if you're 0,5% of the population and you expect to have a place in the King's court that merits the same as a Theirn that overlooks a third of Ferelden, you have a serious overblown estimation of your importance.

 

And, as others have pointed out, elves aren't real world minorities. I'm not even American. Your business with the Natives is not mine.

 

I'm not getting involved in this discussion except to make one point. 

 

Even minorities can have very loud voices to the point of drowning out others, even if outnumbered. 

[MisterJB]

I'm not getting involved in this discussion except to make one point. 

 

Even minorities can have very loud voices to the point of drowning out others, even if outnumbered. 

 

100% true. And and  innumerable number of people have suffered and continue to suffer over it.

[Colonelkillabee]

If you can make it work for you, that's fine and more power to you. I just can't.

I understand. Same for me with elves. Doesn't bother me that you can't. Personally, I think it takes too much work to make an elf feel relevant to a plot where you're the leader of an organization that is obviously an arm of the chantry whether they want to be or not, and that even decides the fate of said chantry by picking their divine, something an elven character wouldn't really even care about as you said, and would really only make sense to choose leliana.

That's my own beef. I know it's obviously not an issue for you. I'm not going to tell you how much lavellans are boring and suck though over it. Lol Streetmagic might, but not me. But that's just me *shrug*. Do what you will, but I really don't think it's cool at all and very unworthy of you.

[thesuperdarkone2]

100% true. And and  uncountable number of people have suffered over it.

Should African-Americans never be given equality during the Civil Rights Movement simply because blacks are a minority? After all, by your logic, who cares if blacks were lynched, segregated, and were generally considered lesser beings simply because they're a minority. I find it really hard to not find a bit of IRL prejudice in your posts.