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[Lulupab]

Also wanted to add, even if you didn't know all of this, Skyrim shows us that Nords had both the draconic language as a religious communication system like latin for catholics, and their own nordic language if they weren't of the dragon cult and had to replace certain words (like dovah and dov) with something else. So even without Ehlnofey, we know they had their own language, both of which were in fact written languages. So that's another example showing the elven propaganda and lies. Unfortunately, man has short memories and not many are aware of their own history.

 

Which is why I said long life is a huge advantage, Elves almost have full memory of their past since the very first day. The Bosmer still have a connection to Aedra which proves they were actually above mortals at some point. This is proven through their ability to Wild Hunt. Though since they are mere mortals now, its not actually pretty...

[Colonelkillabee]

It's not a mage/templar debate yet, so things are going well.

Inquisitor: "**** the Templars, said it with Divine authority." -QWA (Quizzies With Attitude)

[TK514]

I don't claim otherwise, but it is a cool statistic. 

I misunderstood. 

 

100% agreed. 

 

Since we're on the slight tangent, I just recently returned from New Zealand, where I was shocked to discover that the entire population of the country, 4.4 million, is only 4 times that of the city I live in.  That takes some wrapping your head around. 

 

It was an amazing place to visit.  What little I was able to learn about the broad strokes reconciliation programs between the Commonwealth government and the Maori peoples in my limited exposure really sounded worthy of consideration and emulation.

 

Throw in the natural beauty of the place, which I simply can't overstate, and I would go back tomorrow if I could afford it.

[Br3admax]

Which is why I said long life is a huge advantage, Elves almost have full memory of their past since the very first day. The Bosmer still have a connection to Aedra which proves they were actually above mortals at some point. This is proven through their ability to Wild Hunt. Though since they are mere mortals now, its not actually pretty...

lulz.You have no idea what you're talking about....

[Addai]

I understand. Same for me with elves. Doesn't bother me that you can't. Personally, I think it takes too much work to make an elf feel relevant to a plot where you're the leader of an organization that is obviously an arm of the chantry whether they want to be or not, and that even decides the fate of said chantry by picking their divine, something an elven character wouldn't really even care about as you said, and would really only make sense to choose leliana.

That's my own beef. I know it's obviously not an issue for you. I'm not going to tell you how much lavellans are boring and suck though over it. Lol Streetmagic might, but not me. But that's just me *shrug*. Do what you will, but I really don't think it's cool at all and very unworthy of you.

Well I think you took my comments too personally. I'm talking about the prototype character, the stuff you're given to work with, not what you do with your individual story.

The way you make it work with an elf is similar to what Varric says to Solas- the hated minority becomes the savior. A dramatic arc has to start somewhere and end up somewhere different. To me Trevelyan starts and ends in the same place, and so does Cousland. Cous' story had some decent hooks and it was alright, else I wouldn't have written a novel about one, but generally as game protagonists the human characters are dull. IMO.

[MoonDrummer]

It's not a mage/templar debate yet, so things are going well.

Mages are the next step in human evolution and all others should serve them.

[Lulupab]

lulz.You have no idea what you're talking about....

 

"This transformation is seen by the Bosmer as a return to the chaos of the Dawn Era, when they were unable to hold onto one shape for more than a moment" You do know when dawn era is don't you? This should be pretty self explanatory.

[Colonelkillabee]

Which is why I said long life is a huge advantage, Elves almost have full memory of their past since the very first day. The Bosmer still have a connection to Aedra which proves they were actually above mortals at some point. This is proven through their ability to Wild Hunt

That's almost the bosmer's only advantage besides archery. Khajiit, altmer and races of men have been using Valenwood as a battleground for ages. Owned it for ages too.

Altmer were getting beat even before Talos roflestomped them literally with Numidium, contrary to popular belief. He just basically did what the united states did with Japan, and took the nuclear option on the island nation rather than wasting lives with an invasion. Though of course, in reality we already had that front won, and we just wanted something to go boom, lol. And he got that from the Dunmer, yes, but look how he got it to work... and how he forced the Dunmer to negotiate for it in the first place.

Point is, superior lineage isn't everything.

[EmissaryofLies]

Mages are the next step in human evolution and all others should serve them.

 

Mages are ticking time bombs who cannot be trusted; lock them up and throw away the key!

[TK514]

You mean humans just pop them out way too quick. Because there are way too many humans on cyrodil and elves are hopelessly outnumbered yet they can put a fight still. I bet their long life is the only reason, specially when it comes to mages.

 

Which doesn't even remotely address how individual humans can become as good or better than individual elves in every field.

[MoonDrummer]

Mages are ticking time bombs who cannot be trusted; lock them up and throw away the key!

Abominations are still superior to non-Mage plebs

[Br3admax]

"This transformation is seen by the Bosmer as a return to the chaos of the Dawn Era, when they were unable to hold onto one shape for more than a moment" You do know when dawn era is don't you? This should be pretty self explanatory.

I know what a Bosmer is, thanks. You still have no idea what you're talking about. They aren't "more connected to the Aedra" or whatever bs you're talking about now. That also wouldn't place them above normal mortals. Otherwise they wouldn't bend over backwards for their Altmeri overlords. They're just elves with a god who grants them that specific blessing. Just as every other race has theirs. 

[Augustei]

Its not about being better, because unlike DA an individual high elf is better in almost all aspects compared to a nord. Altmer are paragons of civilization on TES, literature and research is their legacy which other races have learned from them. Magic is their birthright, they live thousand years more than others etc... But that's no reason to be arseholes about it and go to wars just because "we are better".

Whereas in LOTR Humans are superior to elves because they were created by god himself (Eru Iluvatar) Whereas elves are just created by the Angels (Valar)

But to relate this back to TES.
First, Ew there are Stormcloak supporters in here? Anyone and this includes those filthy Aldmeri, who doesnt recognize The Empire's Sovreignty must be shown an early grave.

[Colonelkillabee]

Well I think you took my comments too personally. I'm talking about the prototype character, the stuff you're given to work with, not what you do with your individual story.

The way you make it work with an elf is similar to what Varric says to Solas- the hated minority becomes the savior. A dramatic arc has to start somewhere and end up somewhere different. To me Trevelyan starts and ends in the same place, and so does Cousland. Cous' story had some decent hooks and it was alright, else I wouldn't have written a novel about one, but generally as game protagonists the human characters are dull. IMO.

That's pretty much the same boring excuse people in TES use to play Khajiit and altmer. They're "rubbing it in the face of the Nords", lol. Not my thing, as I don't much care to justify a character by pissing off other people (Like the Qunari fetishers), but again, opinions opinions, and TES is different in that they have many many more races and choices than dragon age does.

Anyway I did take it personally because of the way you said it as a generalization. It doesn't matter though so no need to get in a debate over our preferences.

[EmissaryofLies]

Abominations are still superior to non-Mage plebs

 

Abominations slaughter families and tear the veil! They bring nothing but pain, even Anders blew up a church! Even worse they can infiltrate the most holiest of Orders.

 

Disgusting creatures.

[Lulupab]

Which doesn't even remotely address how individual humans can become as good or better than individual elves in every field.

 

Altmer are at constant wars with sea elves, If you actually read the lore many Altmer are not going beyond 200, wars and sickness are claiming them. Recently however they were calm for a long time. Sea elves majorly defeated, and with restored stability less diseases and you know things got normal and they started Aldmeri dominion.

 

I know what a Bosmer is, thanks. You still have no idea what you're talking about. They aren't "more connected to the Aedra" or whatever bs you're talking about now. That also wouldn't place them above normal mortals. Otherwise they wouldn't bend over backwards for their Altmeri overlords. They're just elves with a god who grants them that specific blessing. Just as every other race has theirs. 

 

They are the purest form of Ehlnofey on Tamriel because they still have the ability, and their god is actually alive, immortal and is benevolent. So there is that.

[Colonelkillabee]

That kind of talk sounds like an inferiority complex to me.

Exactly my thoughts, which is why I kind of laugh it off and go about my business when they say that on Bethesda's forums. It just seems kind of... weak.

[Lulupab]

Whereas in LOTR Humans are superior to elves because they were created by god himself (Eru Iluvatar) Whereas elves are just created by the Angels (Valar)

 

The human creator and afterlife is pretty ambiguous. Men were not always mortal, at some point death was a gift to free them from the burden that elves had. To forever defend themselves because there is no afterlife for elves. Only returning to this world to fight again and again and again...

[thesuperdarkone2]

All of this arguing is redundant. Everyone knows Argonians are the master race.

[raging_monkey]

All of this arguing is redundant. Everyone knows Argonians are the master race.

nah all bout redguards

[Lulupab]

The Aedra became the Earthbones.

 

Comatose is a better word to describe their current status.

 

The bosmer don't care about anything really. The joined the dominion to stop humans meddling in their land. As long as they are in harmony with their forest they don't care about anything else. That's why my favorite race is Bosmer.

[TK514]

Altmer are at constant wars with sea elves, If you actually read the lore many Altmer are not going beyond 200, wars and sickness are claiming them. Recently however they were calm for a long time. Sea elves majorly defeated, and with restored stability less diseases and you know things got normal and they started Aldmeri dominion.

 

 

They are the purest form of Ehlnofey on Tamriel because they still have the ability, and their god is actually alive, immortal and is benevolent. So there is that.

 

Are you simply incapable of addressing the point?  Even if the 'average' Altmer lifespan is only 200 years, with them dying in their prime due to violence or illness, they are still capable of being matched or outclassed on an individual basis by humans, whose prime years are roughly 1/10th to 1/5th of that span.