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[Rekkampum]

They fought them to a standstill...

 

But only after the Nords, Bretons and Imperials took care of the force in Cyrodiil, and after that same legion in Hammerfell stayed behind against orders to help them while they were divided, giving them the breathing room they needed to unite in time for when the Emperor and council lost their nuts and gave up the province.

 

They are good as a military force. When they get their **** together and stop bickering with one another like a bunch of bitches, lol. That's also what lead to Talos defeating them in the first place. Infighting. *smh*

 

 

That can be said of any race, especially the Nords during the Civil war of Skyrim.

[sandalisthemaker]

 

It's like clockwork at this point, Luvy.

[Colonelkillabee]

Merrill isn't worth the effort to hate, she's a selfish, delusional moron in a world filled with them.

Hawke said as much.

Your hawke, maybe. My hawke likes *****, so. Lol

 

She was anything but selfish, considering she risked her very being to help her clan. She was selfless to a fault, if anything.

[Rekkampum]

And awful Emperor.

Seriously, Titus Mede II. F*ck that guy.

I totally enjoyed that moment during a certain guild quest involving him.

[Colonelkillabee]

That can be said of any race, especially the Nords during the Civil war of Skyrim.

The nords are fighting Imperials and Nords, not really the same. The only other time they've truly been apart is during the collapse of their first empire in the succession crisis. No one on Tamriel is as divided as redguards are.

 

edit: Except Bretons pre Dragon break.

[Rekkampum]

Your hawke, maybe. My hawke likes *****, so. Lol

 

She was anything but selfish, considering she risked her very being to help her clan. She was selfless to a fault, if anything.

 

I thought she was fairly naive, honestly. But my Hawke was a bit deviant so I encouraged her interest in blood magic.

[Colonelkillabee]

I thought she was fairly naive, honestly. But my Hawke was a bit deviant so I encouraged her interest in blood magic.

Very naive.

[Master Warder Z_]

Your hawke, maybe. My hawke likes *****, so. Lol

She was anything but selfish, considering she risked her very being to help her clan. She was selfless to a fault, if anything.

She cast aside family to chase a possession.

Ghosts, dead oaths, corpses so old their bones are dust.

She was a fool, a selfish child playing at being messiah.

[Rekkampum]

The nords are fighting Imperials and Nords, not really the same. The only other time they've truly been apart is during the collapse of their first empire in the succession crisis. No one on Tamriel is as divided as redguards are.

 

edit: Except Bretons pre Dragon break.

 

The Nords were split with Stormcloaks, those Nords who held to older traditions and Talos worship. Crowns and Forbears are quite similar; the latter, one is perfectly fine and more cosmopolitan, another is more interested in tradition.

And the Orsimer definitely have either of those beat when it comes being divided.

[LobselVith8]

 

I don't know. TME already proved that Merrill was correct about how beneficial the Eluvians could be, and in Inquisition we learn where hers would have lead to, so I don't see much merit in the Merrill bashing at this point. It took a great deal of intelligence to build an Eluvian through painstakingly studying the lore on the Eluvians and extrapolating information from the shard.

 

Perhaps some condemn her because she uses blood magic, but I don't think Merrill being a blood mage is a strike against her; blood magic isn't inherently evil, after all.

 

Honestly, it's a shame that Merrill wasn't utilized as a companion in Inquisition instead - it would have been nice to have a companion who was pro-Dalish, could relate to the cultural views of Lavellan (in the way the humans can for Trevelyan), and could have been utilized with a storyline about the Eluvians.

[Rekkampum]

I don't know. TME already proved that Merrill was correct about how beneficial the Eluvians could be, and in Inquisition we learn where hers would have lead to, so I don't see much merit in the Merrill bashing at this point. It took a great deal of intelligence to build an Eluvian through painstakingly studying the lore on the Eluvians and extrapolating information from the shard.

 

Perhaps some condemn her because she uses blood magic, but I don't think Merrill being a blood mage is a strike against her; blood magic isn't inherently evil, after all.

 

Honestly, it's a shame that Merrill wasn't utilized as a companion in Inquisition instead - it would have been nice to have a companion who was pro-Dalish, could relate to the cultural views of Lavellan (in the way the humans can for Trevelyan), and could have been utilized with a storyline about the Eluvians.

 

Well, I think it's not the fact that she used blood magic so much as her being woefully inexperienced in handling it. That can't be good at all, as you really have to know your *** if you're going to meddle in that stuff.

 

I would've liked to have seen her during the eluvian arc. Would've brought her sidestory full-circle.

[The Baconer]

a few rrevenates

 

Are you talking about those clearly-not-Revenants from TME?

[sandalisthemaker]

I don't know. TME already proved that Merrill was correct about how beneficial the Eluvians could be, and in Inquisition we learn where hers would have lead to, so I don't see much merit in the Merrill bashing at this point. It took a great deal of intelligence to build an Eluvian through painstakingly studying the lore on the Eluvians and extrapolating information from the shard.

 

Perhaps some condemn her because she uses blood magic, but I don't think Merrill being a blood mage is a strike against her; blood magic isn't inherently evil, after all.

 

Honestly, it's a shame that Merrill wasn't utilized as a companion in Inquisition instead - it would have been nice to have a companion who was pro-Dalish, could relate to the cultural views of Lavellan (in the way the humans can for Trevelyan), and could have been utilized with a storyline about the Eluvians.

 

This video may interest you (assuming you haven't come across it yet).  

 

 

Enjoy.

 

Make sure you watch to the very end!

[Master Warder Z_]

Are you talking about those clearly-not-Revenants from TME?

They were arcane horrors and revenants.

[LobselVith8]

I thought she was fairly naive, honestly. But my Hawke was a bit deviant so I encouraged her interest in blood magic.

 

Merrill was dealing with culture shock about human society, but I think it's a mistake to write her off as naive; she also stood up to Anders when he tries to push his Andrastian views on her (about Spirits and Demons being the 'First Children of the Maker'), she cautions Hawke that he can gather intel from spirits without making a bargain with them (which is how Hawke can learn more about the Deep Roads from the Profane Abomination, and how Hawke can learn about two spirits vying for control over Feynriel), she's experienced enough with blood magic to sense that Keran isn't possessed, and she ends up becoming a leader and protector to the elves who were left homeless in the wake of the war.

[Colonelkillabee]

The Nords were split with Stormcloaks, those Nords who held to older traditions and Talos worship. Crowns and Forbears are quite similar; the latter, one is perfectly fine and more cosmopolitan, another is more interested in tradition.

And the Orsimer definitely have either of those beat when it comes being divided.

The nords aren't split within the stormcloaks. They all more or less promote talos worship and the old ways. And even if they didn't, this is a new occurrence, while the Redguards have had this crown forebear thing since the first era. And it's really the Imperials the Stormcloaks are fighting. Without their influence, there'd be no civil war.

 

They even fought amongst themselves to decide who would kill off the left handed elves. Granted, Atmorans had a civil war, likely over the dragon cult, but that again isn't the same. More like slaves fighting their slavemasters and their overlords (dragons).

 

The redguards are practically infamous for their division. Orsimer were always separated in clans and such. I don't know if I can even count them, they can't even keep a nation for very long thanks to bretons and redguards.

[Colonelkillabee]

Merrill was dealing with culture shock about human society, but I think it's a mistake to write her off as naive; she also stood up to Anders when he tries to push his Andrastian views on her (about Spirits and Demons being the 'First Children of the Maker'), she cautions Hawke that he can gather intel from spirits without making a bargain with them (which is how Hawke can learn more about the Deep Roads from the Profane Abomination, and how Hawke can learn about two spirits vying for control over Feynriel), she's experienced enough with blood magic to sense that Keran isn't possessed, and she ends up becoming a leader and protector to the elves who were left homeless in the wake of the war.

One can be naive and have moments of clarity. The fact that she thought she could handle the demon herself, even after she went into the fade and fell under a demon's wiles against you, that speaks volumes. She is naive, even though yes, she does have good qualities.

[LobselVith8]

Well, I think it's not the fact that she used blood magic so much as her being woefully inexperienced in handling it. That can't be good at all, as you really have to know your *** if you're going to meddle in that stuff.

 

If that was true, Merrill wouldn't have been able to determine whether or not Keran was possessed, and she wouldn't be using it proficiently for the better part of a decade, including in defensive maneuvers against enemies who threaten Merrill and her friends. Merrill doesn't succumb to blood magic despite using it for years, so I don't see how she's inadequate at it. I thought she was the prime example of a good person who uses blood magic but doesn't let it rule them or corrupt them.

 

I would've liked to have seen her during the eluvian arc. Would've brought her sidestory full-circle.

 

As would I.

[The Baconer]

They were arcane horrors and revenants.

 

Those were not Revenants. I'll liken it to Michel being confused and assuming overdressed a couple of overdressed skeletons were the Revenants he heard tales of.

 

No force-pull spam = confirmed not Revenants.

[LobselVith8]

One can be naive and have moments of clarity. The fact that she thought she could handle the demon herself, even after she went into the fade and fell under a demon's wiles against you, that speaks volumes. She is naive, even though yes, she does have good qualities.

 

"Night Terrors"? You're citing a quest where everyone (but Anders) betrays Hawke in a matter of seconds. As for Audacity, she specifically asked the Champion to accompany her because she was concerned the spirit might be loose, and she wanted to play it safe; she even asks Hawke to kill her if she becomes possessed, because she's anticipating the worst scenario and wants to make certain that she's dealt with if she becomes a threat. Merrill put more thought into this than Marethari did.

[sandalisthemaker]

So basically a mirror of Merrill's mirror (haha) can be found in the crossroads if you mess around on PC and have a look around. It looks exactly the way she made it look in DA2. Long and thin with the twisty bits around it and everything.  Had she been able to activate it, she would have had a way into the Crossroads.

[Rekkampum]

Merrill was dealing with culture shock about human society, but I think it's a mistake to write her off as naive; she also stood up to Anders when he tries to push his Andrastian views on her (about Spirits and Demons being the 'First Children of the Maker'), she cautions Hawke that he can gather intel from spirits without making a bargain with them (which is how Hawke can learn more about the Deep Roads from the Profane Abomination, and how Hawke can learn about two spirits vying for control over Feynriel), she's experienced enough with blood magic to sense that Keran isn't possessed, and she ends up becoming a leader and protector to the elves who were left homeless in the wake of the war.

 

No one has to write her off, but there are strong differences between communing with spirits and using a form of magic she clearly doesn't have the experience to handle. Any mage can learn to commune with spirits. Mages with greater will can possibly commune with demons - though it usually ends up in them being tricked into becoming abominations. EDIT: Let's also not pretend Hawke's influence - especially if you did her personal quest - wasn't a significant factor as well.

[Colonelkillabee]

"Night Terrors"? You're citing a quest where everyone (but Anders) betrays Hawke in a matter of seconds. As for Audacity, she specifically asked the Champion to accompany her because she was concerned the spirit might be loose, and she wanted to play it safe; she even asks Hawke to kill her if she becomes possessed, because she's anticipating the worst scenario and wants to make certain that she's dealt with if she becomes a threat. Merrill put more thought into this than Marethari did.

So what? She still goes about her business messing with demons and the eluvian, pretty much learning absolutely nothing from the experience.

 

And to the rest, it's really not responsible to drag your friend/lover into this and ask you to kill them because you can't leave well enough alone.

 

I don't understand why it's an issue to admit she's naive and like her at the same time.

[LobselVith8]

No one has to write her off, but there are strong differences between communing with spirits and using a form of magic she clearly doesn't have the experience to handle. Any mage can learn to commune with spirits. Mages with greater will can possibly commune with demons - though it usually ends up in them being tricked into becoming abominations.

 

I never saw any moment in the narrative that demonstrated that Merrill couldn't handle blood magic.

[Master Warder Z_]

Those were not Revenants. I'll liken it to Michel being confused and assuming overdressed a couple of overdressed skeletons were the Revenants he heard tales of.

No force-pull spam = confirmed not Revenants.

Let me guess the corpse mages weren't arcane horrors either.

Also those were revenants.