All Merethari did was ask Hakwe not to give Merrill the knife and gave it to him after promising to give it to Merrill.
Like I said, we can nitpick and disagree on our interpretation of those events, but that is what I saw.
Still doesn't answer why the hate for Hawke, who acts on limited information in a reasonable fashion.
Still doesn't answer why the hate for Hawke, who acts on limited information in a reasonable fashion.
I don't hate on Hawke for that, and many Dalish supporters I've spoken with don't hate him for it either. What I understand is the point of criticism is that Hawke's approaching from a point of ignorance is taken as gospel truth based on the hearsay of Merethari on the part of some some of the forumites that are debated against.
I can get that Hawke can be roleplayed to side with Merethari over Merrill, I did that once in a rivalmance.
I actually think the main point of contention is that we are all merely human, and after a few years of debating some of us on all sides of any debate, elves, mage/templar, Celene/Gaspard/Briala, whatever, that some of us will disagree with the person we're debating with because we expect that we'll disagree with them because they're the one making the point. And when that happens, communication and civilized discourse breaks down, we get circular arguments, things get said in the heat of passion, or typed in this case, and both sides dig in harder and feel vindicated and more in the right, and neither side has truly read the whole argument of the other party, or flat out miss the point as an earlier point sticks out and they react to that and end up taking it out of context since they didn't read the whole post.
I don't think there's much hate for Hawke in this regard, just us posters on the forum being human, and all the glorious flaws that come with it.
I don't hate on Hawke for that, and many Dalish supporters I've spoken with don't hate him for it either. What I understand is the point of criticism is that Hawke's approaching from a point of ignorance is taken as gospel truth based on the hearsay of Merethari on the part of some some of the forumites that are debated against.
I can get that Hawke can be roleplayed to side with Merethari over Merrill, I did that once in a rivalmance.
I actually think the main point of contention is that we are all merely human, and after a few years of debating some of us on all sides of any debate, elves, mage/templar, Celene/Gaspard/Briala, whatever, that some of us will disagree with the person we're debating with because we expect that we'll disagree with them because they're the one making the point. And when that happens, communication and civilized discourse breaks down, we get circular arguments, things get said in the heat of passion, or typed in this case, and both sides dig in harder and feel vindicated and more in the right, and neither side has truly read the whole argument of the other party, or flat out miss the point as an earlier point sticks out and they react to that and end up taking it out of context since they didn't read the whole post.
I don't think there's much hate for Hawke in this regard, just us posters on the forum being human, and all the glorious flaws that come with it.
Fair enough.
o.o Thedas just needs to ship all the elves underground let the dwarves deal with em.
And loose our slaves and servants? I don't think so.
o.o Thedas just needs to ship all the elves underground let the dwarves deal with em.
Why not get Gaspard and the Chevaliers to help fight the Darkspawn as part of a training exercise instead of unarmed or untrained elves in the dead of night.
Would be far more effective graduating ceremony, and would earn the respect of the dwarves, and thus give Orlais more trade.
Why not get Gaspard and the Chevaliers to help fight the Darkspawn as part of a training exercise instead of unarmed or untrained elves in the dead of night.
Would be far more effective graduating ceremony, and would earn the respect of the dwarves, and thus give Orlais more trade.
Lol is that what those orlesian pusses think they're fighting when they're drunk and roaming the alienage?
LOL
Top ****** kek
Chevaliers face darkspawn in training.
Lol is that what those orlesian pusses think they're fighting when they're drunk and roaming the alienage?
They sure kill a lot of untainted Shriek, if you know what I mean.
They sure kill a lot of untainted Shriek, if you know what I mean.
Hah, and a lot of them end up tainted when they're done, if you know what I mean.
Orlesian raping fucks. Damn I hate those bitches.
"Hurr hurr, it's the gaem! The great gaem!" SHUT UP!
Trolliana: Lolol, no.
TIME TO PLAY THE GAME, INQUISITOR
Hah, and a lot of them end up tainted when they're done, if you know what I mean.
Orlesian raping fucks. Damn I hate those bitches.
"Hurr hurr, it's the gaem! The great gaem!" SHUT UP!
Trolliana: Lolol, no.
Hah! Beside Michel, I have yet to meet real Chevalier who's not only believe in code of honor, but actually practice it.
o.o they also face undead, demons and learn templar technique for combating mages.
They are the greatest fighting force in the world for a reason.
Doesn't change the fact that they still get drunk and roam the alienage at night to slaughter the city elves who stand in their way. They are one of the best fighting force, but most of them are far from being the embodiment of virtue. Which is ironic because they suppose to follow their code of honor and practice it.
Don't care how you fight, killing and raping defenseless elves in an alienage where they can't really even fight back makes you a big giant rotting stinking hairless broodmother puss. With a capital P. Puss.
If you're gonna rape and kill civilians, at least fight past warriors to do it like the raiding Vikings. What kind of initiation is that? P-U-S-S
They're already seasoned warriors by the time of the final test.
There is no further need for tests of ability.
Resolve is another matter.
Ho yea, dat resolve must be ironclad. They have to get drunk to even go through with it!
They're Faaaabulous.
To even go through with it?Ho yea, dat resolve must be ironclad. They have to get drunk to even go through with it!
They're Faaaabulous.
To even go through with it?
You missed the point of the exercise obviously.
No ****, I definitely did, LOL.
If it's to kill feelings like the german "swat" equivalent does with chickens they raise, then it still defeats the purpose to do it drunk. You can't even stay sober while you're being a douche. Makes you a puss.
No that isn't the purpose.
Michel shed insight into the actual point of the exercise.
It's to show you can follow orders, any order, at any time, regardless of situation or personal feeling.
So yeah, kill the peasants breaking curfew.
It doesn't matter what you think only that you obey.
So no it isn't akin to GSG9s chicken ritual.
K, so go send your men to raid the dalish and kill them unprovoked. At least they'll fight back.
Na, still pretty lame, whether it was to kill emotion or not. Which it still can be looked at that way, since decent folk would need to to sink so low and follow that order no matter what.
Unless you're Orlesian I guess.
Not as my ******, he wont. I keep him on a tight leash like the good guarddog he is.
o.o you didn't.
You did not put that moron in charge.
Sure did. Pocket ***** emperors that serve the inquisition makes me a happy puppet master.
Plus, I get to see all the orlesian salty tears due to no more crappy fancy pants balls. I sure as hell wasn't leaving Celene there. Or Briala.
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