Well Sola's has said he doesn't consider elves his people. He likely refers to spirits like him
I'm really not sure...because Solas sometimes refers to elves as his people and sometimes he doesn't.
Me I think elves used to be different , and for some reasons (I assume some magical disturbance in the force) they changed.
So they are his people , because they're elves.
But not really because they are now less in touch with his precious fade.
They also retconned the Ferelden Circle being made independent if you picked the Mage boon at the end of Origins... only to have all the Circle's rise up in Asunder and possibly be completely abolished at the end of Inquisition.
Compared to that, an elven state being reformed if the Dalish ever decided to get their arses in gear, doesn't seem to be that far-fetched.
If Briala becomes Marquise of the Dales and the de facto ruler of Orlais, and the elven Inquisitor rules Skyhold (which is located in the Dales), steps are already headed in that direction. I could imagine some clans might head to the territory near Skyhold as a sanctuary, particularly as we already see some Dalish at the ancient elven fortress.
I with Rex that I think Solas doesn't consider the modern Elves his people. And why should he? it's clear the Dalish are nothing like Arlathen, and City Elves are closer to human culture than his own.
I also saw some Grey Wardens, doesn't mean the whole place is gonna be a haven for themIf Briala becomes Marquise of the Dales and the de facto ruler of Orlais, and the elven Inquisitor rules Skyhold (which is located in the Dales), steps are already headed in that direction. I could imagine some clans might head to the territory near Skyhold as a sanctuary, particularly as we already see some Dalish at the ancient elven fortress.
If you have Briala executed in Halamshiral he felt out says he doesn't consider them his people, you ask him directly about it. Not very ambiguous
You get this dialogue also if you simply don't help Briala reconcile with Celene.
If Briala becomes Marquise of the Dales and the de facto ruler of Orlais, and the elven Inquisitor rules Skyhold (which is located in the Dales), steps are already headed in that direction. I could imagine some clans might head to the territory near Skyhold as a sanctuary, particularly as we already see some Dalish at the ancient elven fortress.
Wait for the epilogue retcon.
Or get a codex explaining everything went wrong because every epilogue is saying things are fine in Orlais for the moment (and because the Inquisition is keeping order).
Orlais is going to fall from grace , that's a guarantee , and nothing the Inquisition did will have a big impact.
In some cases the elves get nothing afterall.
Same with the Divine business.
. Didn't want to speak for other playthroughsYou get this dialogue also if you simply don't help Briala reconcile with Celene.
If you want to freak out a bit about Solas and the elves and his plan :
Collapse the veil and reshape reality , ...oh Solas.
I suspect that after two games of being blamed for the destruction of the Elven culture which was so perfect and so peaceful and did everything better then the filthy uncivilized Shemlen ... Some of us are enjoying the revelations of the skeletons in their closet.
No one claimed Elvhenan was perfect, not even the Dalish. As for the rest, the Imperium enslaved the elves of Elvhenan. It's why ancient elves fought Tevinter at Sundermount, and why some elves sought refugee with the dwarves of Cad'halash. And considering that Tevinter took elven knowledge (as Solas comments to Dorian) and artifacts (like the Eluvians), that transpired as well.
No one claimed Elvhenan was perfect, not even the Dalish. As for the rest, the Imperium enslaved the elves of Elvhenan. It's why ancient elves fought Tevinter at Sundermount, and why some elves sought refugee with the dwarves of Cad'halash. And considering that Tevinter took elven knowledge (as Solas comments to Dorian) and artifacts (like the Eluvians), that transpired as well.
Yes, but if they have managed to enslave them it's only because the elvean were to busy to kill each other first.
The young imperium without literally nothing against an advanced culture full of ancient magic power and deadly artifact.
Pheraps some of the elvean god have helped the shamlen, afterall i cannot see any other reason of why they have lost that war.
Wrong answer though, we know from Felassan that this immortality was limited to the ruling class, it was not universal, but the Dalish still blame humans for losing it, long before alienages were established.
Answered unsatisfactorily, IMO
The devs have said contradictory things about elven lifespan, but at least once said that elves who do not live in contact with humans do have longer natural lifespans.
I haven't finished TME yet so can't really comment on what Felassan says.
Well Sola's has said he doesn't consider elves his people. He likely refers to spirits like him
He does call elves his people in certain contexts.
The devs have said contradictory things about elven lifespan, but at least once said that elves who do not live in contact with humans do have longer natural lifespans.
I haven't finished TME yet so can't really comment on what Felassan says.
He does call elves his people in certain contexts.
That's probably because elves who do live in proximity to humans tend to be city elves, not healthy lifestyle, the the Dalish aren't living extremely longer than them either. The only elf who ever lived for centuries after Arlathan was using blood magic, and it might be how the elves of old did it as well.
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And in others he laughs at the connection
I think Solas is going to be the embodiment of 'Watch what you wish for' when it comes to the Dalish. Should be interesting to see if they, as a people, can grow from confronting their history brought into the present and their legends made real, or if most of them will be like the Clans that Solas encountered prior to the beginning of DA:I.
That's probably because elves who do live in proximity to humans tend to be city elves, not healthy lifestyle, the the Dalish aren't living extremely longer than them either. The only elf who ever lived for centuries after Arlathan was using blood magic, and it might be how the elves of old did it as well.
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And in others he laughs at the connection
What was that Dalish craftsman's name. Ilen was it? His father was in the Dales war so he should be 300 hundred years old at least and he does look very old. I think its almost a fact that a no connection with humans means longer life, but how much?Not really known.
What was that Dalish craftsman's name. Ilen was it? His father was in the Dales war so he should be 300 hundred years old at least and he does look very old. I think its almost a fact that a no connection with humans means longer life, but how much?Not really known.
I think you need to check that.
The only abnormally long-lived Dalish I can recall us meeting was due to blood magic.
I think you need to check that.
The only abnormally long-lived Dalish I can recall us meeting was due to blood magic.
I have in fact checked that. Master IIen’s father fought the Clayne when the Dalish fled the Dales, and yet the Dales fell over 700 years prior to the events of DA:O and Master IIen is still kicking it even into DA2. The Elves lived in the Dales for centuries secluded from Humans and as such they should have built up their life spans, no? I simply guessed his age but unless the devs messed up by putting it wrong in the game, he and his father lived for quite long time. Two generations that lasted 700 years.
Also Lanaya says the Dalish have more lengthy life spans than city elves which will continually get longer.
I have in fact checked that. Master IIen’s father fought the Clayne when the Dalish fled the Dales, and yet the Dales fell over 700 years prior to the events of DA:O and Master IIen is still kicking it even into DA2. The Elves lived in the Dales for centuries secluded from Humans and as such they should have built up their life spans, no? I simply guessed his age but unless the devs messed up by putting it wrong in the game, he and his father lived for quite long time. Two generations that lasted 700 years.
Yeah, that's absurdly beyond the recognized norm for any elves in the current setting. Even Gaider has weighed in that Dalish lifespans aren't outrageously long vis-a-vis the rest at this point compared to the city elves. In fact, it doesn't even fit the history of the Clayne- the only major reference I could find on the wiki talks about them in the context of ancient Tevinter, not a force in the fall of the Dales. Perhaps Illan was refering to a more recent movement?
If it wasn't a misunderstanding of what was actually presented in the game, it was certainly an oversight. In DAO, the only exceptionally long-lived Dalish is Keeper Zathrian, who is a few centuries old and well after the fall of the Dales. Not only is Zathrian's exceptional status a unique and notable point in the narrative that no other elf has, but it's explicitly tied to blood magic.
Illen, as far as I am aware, gets no other acknowledgement anywhere else, in DAO or DA2, as a remarkably old elf. If he was 700 years old, or even a few centuries, he would be the only other one known to have done so in all Dalish history.
Also Lanaya says the Dalish have more lengthy life spans than city elves which will continually get longer.
Yeah... but she doesn't really have a credible basis to claim that. Aside from a lack of any comprehensive or reliable statistics, Lanaya's faith in reclaiming longevity is based in large part on Zathrian's success- but we know that Zathrian's success wasn't natural.
To people who cite the Dalish outliving city elves as evidence of a magical connection: let's remember the differences in their lifestyles. Living in close quarters and in poor conditions increases crime and exposure to disease. Medecine is expensive, and anyone with a knack for magical healing gets carted off to the Circle. The Dalish, meanwhile, have an active way of life, hunting, traveling, and ranging in open spaces. Communal healers live among them unoppressed, and their wide knowledge of herblore likely provides access to effective medecine. If the Dalish live longer than their urban counterparts, it doesn't necessarily mean that they have mystically long lives. It could just be a result of a healthier lifestyle.
As with any story, time and different interpretations will skew the facts.
The dalish are wrong because they are elves-
Elves are always wrong.
nonsense, glorified forest gnomes are always wrong
Elves pack too much power
Good luck seeing any human army break those guys
In fact, it doesn't even fit the history of the Clayne- the only major reference I could find on the wiki talks about them in the context of ancient Tevinter, not a force in the fall of the Dales. Perhaps Illan was refering to a more recent movement?
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