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[SamanthaJ]

zambixi posted this in the the main Solas discussion thread. It would probably be more appropriate to discuss it here away from wandering eyes that might accidentally see something they weren't prepared for. 

 

AGAIN: If this is true it is MAJOR EFFING SPOILERS

 

Someone on reddit posted some designer notes they found within the game that provides deeper insight to the post credit scenes. These notes contain major spoilers for future content.

 

Link to the Reddit Thread (major spoilers!)

 

http://www.reddit.co...cene_explained/

 

The screen cap they gave of the data is here (again, major spoilers):

 

http://i.imgur.com/myXLPnI.png

 

The Designer's Notes (SPOILERS!)

 

Spoiler

Designer's Notes: This is Flemeth from the previous two games. In this

game, Flemeth's story comes to a head -- she knew that Solas would

summon her, and that he would need to steal her power to further his

plans. She knew that because they are both elven gods...yet Solas has

slept for a thousand years and his power dwindled, while she was

killed long ago and a spark escaped from her into the body she now

holds. She has nurtured that spark, and knew that Solas would need it.

He was once her oldest friend, but she knows in his drive to save the

elven people he will kill anyone -- even her. She intends to let him

have the power, so long as she can pass the essence of her god-hood

onto Morrigan, a gift Flemeth had always planned for her daughter yet

one Morrigan misunderstood as hostile possession.

 

 

New spoilers posted on the same reddit thread involving the orb.

 

Spoiler

In the game files the orb Corypheus received from Solas is referred to as “elv-orbmythal” in the “elvahn” category, which could mean the orb is indeed originally from Flemeth/Mythal.

 

Also from the reddit thread, this one is about Solas's spirit friend from his personal quest.

 

Spoiler

Dev Note: A spirit of wisdom and grace. It was summoned to this world against its will, and corrupted by mages until it turned into a mindless demon. Now it is free, though dying. It speaks elven in the style of the ancient elves.”

 

 

[Ajna]

Ahh here it is guys! *waves*

[drake2511]

Yay, thanks!



...

must. be. strong.

It's effing Christmas!

[scintilla]

Nothing is confirmed until it's confirmed but I've been expecting well-intentioned extremist shenanigans from Solas since seeing the stinger the first time.

 

He may have good intentions, he may even hate the things he ends up doing, but he'll do them anyway. The stinger told us that twice: he gave the orb to Cory and he killed Flemythal/took her power.

 

One of my initial reactions to the stinger was that the PC may have to kill Solas. If this is true, that's looking pretty likely.

[mindoirs]

THIS IS GETTING GOOD.

 

I'm writing up my thoughts.

[drake2511]

Nothing is confirmed until it's confirmed but I've been expecting well-intentioned extremist shenanigans from Solas since seeing the stinger the first time.

 

He may have good intentions, he may even hate the things he ends up doing, but he'll do them anyway. The stinger told us that twice: he gave the orb to Cory and he killed Flemythal/took her power.

 

One of my initial reactions to the stinger was that the PC may have to kill Solas. If this is true, that's looking pretty likely.

As long ad it's not inevitable, it's ok by me. Of course I wish he had plot armor like Morrigan and Leliana, but... players should have choices.

[SamanthaJ]

What a Christmas present, huh? 

 

As others have said it's mostly expected, though I am worried about just how ruthless Solas could possibly be. Killing people who stand against him, if he thinks he's right, I can understand. Killing someone (like Felmeth, even though she agreed in the long run and I think Solas is truly feeling upset about it) if it will help his goals I can probably understand. Sacrifices I can understand. As the Inquisitor we had to make sacrifices during are vary first major choice (the mountain pass or charge with soldiers) and we had to make a sacrifice during Here Lies the Abyss. Just as long as he doesn't start purposefully killing innocent people for no good reason I can handle ruthlessness as long as he doesn't lose his compassion and respect for free will.

[Ajna]

Being railroaded into killing your LI would be the shittiest thing BioWare has ever done and I for one would would walk.  There has to be choice, they should know that, the shitstorm would be IMMENSE.

[Uirebhiril]

Nothing is confirmed until it's confirmed but I've been expecting well-intentioned extremist shenanigans from Solas since seeing the stinger the first time.

 

He may have good intentions, he may even hate the things he ends up doing, but he'll do them anyway. The stinger told us that twice: he gave the orb to Cory and he killed Flemythal/took her power.

 

One of my initial reactions to the stinger was that the PC may have to kill Solas. If this is true, that's looking pretty likely.

 

If it's true, then it was a willing exchange from Flemeth to Solas. He didn't quite kill her, though I guess it was a case of he would have had she not agreed?

 

I really hope whatever we get with him in the future isn't a case of "yay we get to murderknife him!" What a waste of a character that would be.

[SamanthaJ]

I hope there will be a choice. I do not want to be forced to kill anyone. I was able to allow both Loghain and Anders to live. 

[Bliss]

I don't think my Dalish could kill him. Even if she was hurt. I mean, even my Hawke who romanced Anders that one time couldn't kill him. All the others ones did. Every. Time. But, the romanced one could never bring herself to do it. I wouldn't even be able to play at that point because it would be SO against her character.

 

If only we knew what his plan was..... :/

[mindoirs]

This is all speculation/my opinion:

 

That Solas is an antagonist, that much was clear from when the epilogue finishes.

Whether he's a villain, I think that's up to our individual interpretations.

 

It's more likely that he's a rebel more than a trickster, which is why the Dalish have always painted Fen'Harel in such a bad light.

 

What does seem to be true is that he is ruthless. Leaving Lavellan, "killing" his oldest friend; all to rectify his mistakes. He is selfish, because fixing his own mistakes takes priority over everything to him.

However, he may think that what he is doing is good. That it will all be justifiable if he does fix his mistakes. To him, it seems like it's all a means to an end now.

 

I really think it'll be a pretty grey area type of thing. I do think all of these things, and I do think that he thinks he is doing the right thing even if it may not be, but I don't see him as just "evil" or "a cunning mastermind", etc. I'm biased, though.

 

I'll flesh this out as we go and get more input from each other, etc.

[scintilla]

Just as long as he doesn't start purposefully killing innocent people for no good reason I can handle ruthlessness as long as he doesn't lose his compassion and respect for free will.

 

Yeah, this is the big unknown. Just how ruthless is he going to end up being? How big are the sacrifices he feels need to be made? He's certainly always had an ends justify the means mindset but he's also been compassionate.

 

The only reason I think the PC may end up having to kill him, whether it's DLC or the next game, is because he doesn't appear to have been swayed from his path by anything. He won't let anything change his mind and he's willing to kill his oldest friend for the power to achieve his goals. The Inquisitor is nothing in comparison to his history with Mythal.

 

Notably, Mythal doesn't even try to stop him. If she lets it happen, there's a reason for that beyond "we were friends once," right?

[SamanthaJ]

We do...have the Anchor though. Maybe that'll be...the key...to something?

 

Please?

[drake2511]

What a Christmas present, huh? 

 

As others have said it's mostly expected, though I am worried about just how ruthless Solas could possibly be. Killing people who stand against him, if he thinks he's right, I can understand. Killing someone (like Felmeth, even though she agreed in the long run and I think Solas is truly feeling upset about it) if it will help his goals I can maybe upset. Sacrifices I can understand. As the Inquisitor we had to make sacrifices during are vary first major choice (the mountain pass or charge with soldiers) and we had to make a sacrifice during Here Lies the Abyss. Just as long as he doesn't start purposefully killing innocent people for no good reason I can handle ruthlessness as long as he doesn't lose his compassion and respect for free will.

I agree, but somehow I can't see Solas killing innocents.

I will always stop him from killing the mages during his quest in future playthroughs, that's for sure. They are far from innocent, but it could help.

[scintilla]

If it's true, then it was a willing exchange from Flemeth to Solas. He didn't quite kill her, though I guess it was a case of he would have had she not agreed?

 

If the designer notes are true? Absolutely. It says so right in the text. She may have been willing to die but that doesn't mean he didn't kill her.

[Bliss]

Depending on what his plans are, he may well think the end justifies the means. The Inquisitor sacrificed their friends in the mage story line. Or rather, let his/her friends sacrifice themselves. It was all to undo what had happened. Leliana in that story mention how they weren't real to the Inquisitor. A future not meant to happen. It echoes what Cole says about Solas. How the Inquisitor is real and maybe everything is real. Depending on how he intends to fix the situation, it could be a matter of him thinking that whats going on now will be erased in the process. So it won't technically be killing as changing the starting point means all of this wasn't real and never happened.

 

But...just a theory.

[Ajna]

I'll never be okay with killing my favourite character in the series, either as the Inquisitor or as a new protagonist, nopenopenope, not gonna happen. 

[zambixi]

I have so many feels guys! I don't like that the thing were hoping for now is that well get the choice about whether or not to kill him in DLC/future games. Is this a theme? Why is this a theme? We already had a misguided revolutionary that followed a destructive path in order to enact change. In return you can kill him, or just let him fade away into a miserable existence where even his friends more or less abandon and curse him. Are we really going to do that again?

I hope the plot will be more complicated than that.

[Patchwork]

If nothing else I'm now confident Flemythal isn't dead, she gave Solas the power she'd been nurturing but only after she'd made sure her own revenge plans could go forward. 

 

Wolf Hunt is definitely happening and Solas is going to be the antagonist, killing him I think will be player choice. I don't like games railroading me but Solas' plan could be the big change Sandal prophesied. 

[mindoirs]

BioWare always gives us a choice when it comes to this type of thing, especially in Dragon Age. I wouldn't be /too/ worried about that.

[drake2511]

If the designer notes are true? Absolutely. It says so right in the text. She may have been willing to die but that doesn't mean he didn't kill her.

 

He tried to find another way, though. He joined the Inquisition to get the orb and not having to kill Mythal. I guess if we have the possibility to find another way instead of the kill-everyone-who-stands-in-my-way thing, he might take it. This if the Inquisitor will be given the choice to help him, of course.

[Shari'El]

Don't forget it's designer notes, it's there to set up moods and actions for scenes.

I think the wording might be extreme "kill anyone" but it doesn't matter much.

 

Are we really surprised by this? This is exactly what we thought that happened in that last scene

 

TBH I'm kind of relieved that Solas is the one who lives and not Mythal who has taken control of Solas.

 

Plus, as you recall from the scene, Solas looks conflicted, he apologizes, she does too.

She knew he'd come for her, she nurtured that spark of a soul for him to take. She's probably more powerful than he is after the sleep of 1000 years but she planned on giving him that spark. She could've resisted and smacked him down, and Solas probably knows that.

[mindoirs]

Some people did think it was Flemythal absorbing Solas/Fen'harel tho...not sure how they got that conclusion but a lot of people did think that way, each to their own. What I found most interesting was the additional insight on Solas.

[Ajna]

He tried to find another way, though. He joined the Inquisition to get the orb and not having to kill Mythal. I guess if we have the possibility to find another way instead of the kill-everyone-who-stands-in-my-way thing, he might take it. This if the Inquisitor will have a choice to help him, of course.

 

This is what I'd like to see, LET ME HELP YOU FOR GOODNESS SAKE YOU STUBBORN BASTARD!