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Remember Loghain.
After reading Stolen Throne, I really grew to admire him.
I think this is why I'm so disappointed with Blackwall. I love redemption, I love atonement, I love the underdog - but Logain never made choices for his own *personal* gain like Tom Rainier did. Logain is willing to take the blame, to be seen as a monster, to be reviled and hated, IF it will save the world.
I'm sure there will be some sort of confrontation about that weird side plot about the end of the world or whatever, but in the end she just totally wrecks him with sex.
I am dying 
. What is this business about Thedas and saving the People? Screw that just gimme more kisses.
I'm sure there will be some sort of confrontation about that weird side plot about the end of the world or whatever, but in the end she just totally wrecks him with sex.
I'm out of likes, so all I have left is high fives.
Loghain is one of my favorite characters in the Dragon Age series. I feel you, DragonRacer.
Unfortunately, it sounds like Solas is going to be the next Loghain/Anders. AKA we'll have to deal with near constant hate and character bashing. That's always hard when it's about your favorite character.
Yes, it does seem to be going that direction. Being both a Loghain fan and an Anders fan, I'll personally apologize for dooming Solas by my early interest in him pre-game release. 
At least I'm a veteran at being in the Hated Characters' Defense Squad, if nothing else. *chuckles* I do feel bad for folks who've ended up here and weren't expecting to, though. Try to take strength in your fellow Wolfpack members. It's really all you can do when you find yourself attached to a character who has a murky future (or murky past, or both) in the series.
Bear in mind, folks, that as soon as it was revealed he's Fen'Harel, we knew there was going to be bumps in the road. After all, for all that the Dalish may have gotten wrong about him and his lore, his peers seem to still refer to him as the Dread Wolf. The word "dread" does not have sunshine and rainbow connotations.
Reminds me a bit of the whole "bog unicorn" situation. Some folks thought 'white unicorn farting rainbows' when, well, the word "bog" isn't very pleasant.
Yes, it does seem to be going that direction. Being both a Loghain fan and an Anders fan, I'll personally apologize for dooming Solas by my early interest in him pre-game release.
Bear in mind, folks, that as soon as it was revealed he's Fen'Harel, we knew there was going to be bumps in the road. After all, for all that the Dalish may have gotten wrong about him and his lore, his peers seem to still refer to him as the Dread Wolf. The word "dread" does not have sunshine and rainbow connotations.
Reminds me a bit of the whole "bog unicorn" situation. Some folks thought 'white unicorn farting rainbows' when, well, the word "bog" isn't very pleasant.
I'm adding "Hated Character Defense Squad - New Recruit" to my signature, haha. Especially since I didn't like Loghain (even after reading the books), or Anders until after playing DAI and getting more involved in the fandom. But...it's the fandom that turned me for them moreso than anything BW did, and I hope that doesn't have to be the case for Solas.
It'd be cool if he turned out a little like Mordin from ME -- someone who did a horrible thing (genophage), but that turns out to actually have been right. I hope he doesn't turn out like Mordin in that he has to die to fix it though >.>
I'm still optimistic for Solas and Lavellan's future tho...
"she knows in his drive to save the elven people he will kill anyone"
My Lavellan was all about saving her people - her goals are similar to his, the main difference being he actually knows what doing that entails.
So, the Inquistor would only come into conflict with Solas for 2 reasons
1) if they don't want Solas's goal met (which mine does)
2) if Solas actually does have to kill the Inquisitor to meet those goals (to get the power of the anchor)
But just forcing the Inquisitor to die no matter what seems like a bad choice, story-wise. It's much more interesting, in my opinion, to play off the whole "bound to Mythal" thing for Solas to just force players who drank from the well to do whatever he needs. In which case, players who didn't would get to choose to go along with it, and if not, then he'd kill them.
Tho I kind of hope if he did hate your Inquisitor, maybe he does just skip straight to the killing you option lol.
You know what I would like? If he's not completely wrong. Not that the ends justify the means, because I don't believe that, but that what he's trying to do WOULD lead to a more peaceful world. I'm tired of these types of characters always being completely wrong and misguided, end of story. Especially with how old Solas is and how much he's seen. It's just such a cop-out.
I'm going to agree with this so hard. It would be a much more interesting story if there is truth to it all, rather than the same one we've read/played/watched in the past. Change is coming, bad things happen or will happen... but it is what needs to happen.
It'd be a good question on if he'll get a happy ending or any sort of resolution he'll like himself for, though.
Ahh finally some time away from cooking Christmas dinner to read and comment on all this 
It does seem like the biggest question this opens up is what's going to happen with that whole Well of Sorrows thing. Especially if the Inquisitor drank from it, we haven't really seen any consequences - and it would be pretty disappointing if there never were any, given how much buildup there was about the terrible price of knowledge.
I know it's not that likely, but I'm leaning more and more towards wanting there to be a direct sequel where we play the Inquisitor again. A whole story where the antagonist isn't some random big bad but your friend/lover/guy you once punched? That'd really be something different from Bioware, with a lot of potential for drama and role-playing...
I'm going to agree with this so hard. It would be a much more interesting story if there is truth to it all, rather than the same one we've read/played/watched in the past. Change is coming, bad things happen or will happen... but it is what needs to happen.
It'd be a good question on if he'll get a happy ending or any sort of resolution he'll like himself for, though.
I agreeeee. I mean I just said so basically in the previous post, and I've said it before, but it would be so refreshing if he weren't 100% wrong. Because how easy is it to write him off if he is, in fact, wrong? If he's wrong, it's not difficult to kill him or write him off or whatever. But if he's actually correct, and it's just that there will possibly be terrible consequences for being correct? ESPECIALLY if he's correct in a way that would challenge what the player previously thought was sacrosanct (e.g. the way Wardens deal with Blight is great, the Blight was caused by Magisters, whatever)...that would be really interesting.
Maybe I'm biased because I just want Solas to stick around and so I'm looking for reasons to make that happen but...still..
Woah just realized that we get bound to Solas if we drink from the well of sorrows. I hope that turns into something weird and kinky and wrong.
The future is interesting, folks, I'll give you that. But I'm not panicking yet. Because of Loghain.
Remember Loghain.
What if Solas is more of a Morrigan? The player never has the opportunity to change Morrigan's fate, she's the only companion who can't be killed in DAO because the story needs her. If the story needs Solas, there may be nothing that can be done about him achieving his goals or whether he lives or dies.
But just forcing the Inquisitor to die no matter what seems like a bad choice, story-wise. It's much more interesting, in my opinion, to play off the whole "bound to Mythal" thing for Solas to just force players who drank from the well to do whatever he needs. In which case, players who didn't would get to choose to go along with it, and if not, then he'd kill them.
Tho I kind of hope if he did hate your Inquisitor, maybe he does just skip straight to the killing you option lol.
Forcing the Inquisitor to die may be the only way to take them out of the equation like they did with the Warden and Hawke. The Inquisitor is in a much different position than either of the previous protagonists and Dragon Age already suffers from having too many heroes running around with no excuse not to get involved in big events.
Yes, it does seem to be going that direction. Being both a Loghain fan and an Anders fan, I'll personally apologize for dooming Solas by my early interest in him pre-game release.
Bear in mind, folks, that as soon as it was revealed he's Fen'Harel, we knew there was going to be bumps in the road. After all, for all that the Dalish may have gotten wrong about him and his lore, his peers seem to still refer to him as the Dread Wolf. The word "dread" does not have sunshine and rainbow connotations.
Reminds me a bit of the whole "bog unicorn" situation. Some folks thought 'white unicorn farting rainbows' when, well, the word "bog" isn't very pleasant.
"Kitten Marsh... Beer Marsh... nope..."
Yes, I really do think it's important to remember that the truth is usually somewhere between two sides. Those "trickster" stories didn't just magically poof into being out of thin air.
What if Solas is more of a Morrigan? The player never has the opportunity to change Morrigan's fate, she's the only companion who can't be killed in DAO because the story needs her. If the story needs Solas, there may be nothing that can be done about him achieving his goals or whether he lives or dies.
Forcing the Inquisitor to die may be the only way to take them out of the equation like they did with the Warden and Hawke. The Inquisitor is in a much different position than either of the previous protagonists and Dragon Age already suffers from having too many heroes running around with no excuse not to get involved in big events.
Re: Morrigan. I would be OK with that if Solas' fate is not all doom and gloom. Morrigan leaves, she does her own thing, but the Warden can be with her - presumably for a number of years to raise Kieran - and it's clear that she loves him, and may return to be with him eventually. She's also not really an antagonist. Sure she has goals that don't always align with the character's, but she's been an overwhelmingly positive force for PCs: she can save the Warden's life through the dark ritual, leads the Inquisitor to the Temple of Mythal, and can possibly take the boon/burden of the Well and help out against Corypheus. So if Solas is like that? Bring it on. I'd love that. If they're going to keep him around as the opposite of that? As someone that does not care for the Inquisitor, and is constantly messing with the protagonist and causing problems? I'm not as thrilled.
Re: Too many Heroes. Well all of my heroes are still alive, and it wasn't really that difficult to keep them that way. I didn't make Alistair a Warden, so it wasn't that big of a deal to kill Stroud. And the Dark Ritual has been something I've done almost every PT without a second thought. That doesn't mean that they won't decide to kill off all three at some point but, I seriously doubt it. They didn't even really kill Shepard, once fans rallied. And I think they can solve this problem in other ways, mostly by moving in time or space. Going backwards or forwards in time by a wide enough margin would allow everyone to fade naturally. Going up north in Thedas, or out of Thedas entirely, would pretty much take care of everyone else. The Inquisitor is only powerful in the places that follow the Chantry. Go to Tevinter or Seheron and you'll see a different story.
Woah just realized that we get bound to Solas if we drink from the well of sorrows. I hope that turns into something weird and kinky and wrong.
It... really doesn't... shouldn't... it's not all about the sexxins. Nor should it be. Besides, doesn't the new "spoiler" suggest it'd be Morrigan instead of Solas?
Forcing the Inquisitor to die may be the only way to take them out of the equation like they did with the Warden and Hawke. The Inquisitor is in a much different position than either of the previous protagonists and Dragon Age already suffers from having too many heroes running around with no excuse not to get involved in big events.
See, that I don't get. There's bound to be other big heroes in the world, but even so... the Warden is either dead or miraculously survived killing an archdemon, but they're just a warden. It's not their place to get involved with every last problem in the world. They did their bit and went home, as it were.
Hawke was just an unlucky SOB who got drawn into things outside of their control. They did a lot of things and saved a lot of people, sure, but especially considering Hawke's record why would anyone want them to come and fix things? Hawke would probably just make it worse in the end. It's one thing to want reference to our previous characters in games, but the expectation that Everyone Will Flock To Them to Fix All The Problems is a bit of a construct. There never had to be mention of it.
The Inquisitor, on the other hand? Yeah, they're a bit of a big player here and have a lot of sway in the world. There would need to be some decent resolution by the end of expansions or DLC to suddenly explain why they aren't in the middle of stuff. Maybe the Inquisition would lay down its sword in the end, or we'll be in a whole 'nother area of Thedas where the Inquisition has little to no influence. There's nothing wrong with knowing our character is just running crap at Skyhold.
That was actually pretty much what I would have interpreted it to be. But...
Man, there's so much potential for tragic in this situation. >.<
What if Quizzy needs to die by Solas' hand for some reason (either because they refuse to let him have his way, or because he needs the anchor's power and is willing to let them die to get it back)?
Or what if Solas goes to his own doom willingly and thinks it's just right because he deserves nothing else (aka. "I'm a bad person! See the drama!")?
I just can't see that end well. I just cannot!
... Merry Christmas, everyone, btw!
Oh, I just thought of something - I wonder if the whole "transferring her essence to Morrigan" thing means that Morrigan is going to be our new character who appears to save the heroes and say something cryptic in every game?
Because I would be okay with that.
What if Solas is more of a Morrigan? The player never has the opportunity to change Morrigan's fate, she's the only companion who can't be killed in DAO because the story needs her. If the story needs Solas, there may be nothing that can be done about him achieving his goals or whether he lives or dies.
Forcing the Inquisitor to die may be the only way to take them out of the equation like they did with the Warden and Hawke. The Inquisitor is in a much different position than either of the previous protagonists and Dragon Age already suffers from having too many heroes running around with no excuse not to get involved in big events.
Well, if the Inquisitor helps Solas willingly, or is forced to do it, then if DA4 deals with the fallout of that...it could effectively put the Inquisitor on "team bad guy." Which is a new and interesting position to have the previous protagonist be in.
Well, if the Inquisitor helps Solas willingly, or is forced to do it, then if DA4 deals with the fallout of that...it could effectively put the Inquisitor on "team bad guy." Which is a new and interesting position to have the previous protagonist be in.
Ooh, I love this! I love this a lot!
Oh my, what a time to not be able to get to the forums! I've not been able to read everything but my thoughts are -
This is kind of what I thought happened, I don't think Flemeth is coming back but it is fitting if Morrigan is going to take her place so that was something new.
I'm not going to judge Solas on killing his oldest friend if she's not judging him herself. Flemeth could have fought, she could have run etc but she willingly let him do it. Okay the note says that she knows he would 'kill anyone' but if she truly believed that his goals were wrong I don't think she would have given in to him like that, and I think she's a fairly benevolent being so that suggests to me he fights for good not evil.
Because we don't know what he is trying to do, it is impossible to judge how high the stakes are, I think they are probably extremely high, its either restore his people, or let them slowly die out while fighting a losing battle against a prejudiced society. The blights etc may also be a crucial reason why he has to do what it is, maybe they can only be stopped this way?
Personally, my gut feeling is that he is going to succeed regardless, and I don't think it will necessarily cause chaos, but it will restore power to the elven people, and enable them to rise and be a force in the world again for good or ill.
If it is anything like what I have said, I really need a choice, because my Lavellan's would likely support him rather than oppose.
Edit: Also, I kind of think the series needs a little bit of a 're-boot' and this is an excellent way to go about it. Expansion that leaves the world totally changed in some ways but still recognisable... the problems and challenges are new, we're familiar with the world, but not going over the same old problems.
Modifié par wildannie, 24 décembre 2014 - 08:42 .
Well, if the Inquisitor helps Solas willingly, or is forced to do it, then if DA4 deals with the fallout of that...it could effectively put the Inquisitor on "team bad guy." Which is a new and interesting position to have the previous protagonist be in.
So BioWare wouldn't force the Inquisitor's death but they would force them to be a villain? I think the latter would get a lot more hate.
Well, if the Inquisitor helps Solas willingly, or is forced to do it, then if DA4 deals with the fallout of that...it could effectively put the Inquisitor on "team bad guy." Which is a new and interesting position to have the previous protagonist be in.
That would be awesome and incredibly bold! I'd love the chance to actually fully agree with him, though I imagine that if that's the trajectory, we'd be forced to be a part of it no matter whether we agreed or not. No way we'll get the choice to side with him or not side with him and have it be super different.
I'd definitely play a character that was all YEAH LET'S BLOW UP THE WORLD, ELF POWAH!!! at some point. Not my canon, but at some point. 
Indeed. I'll bring us some Christmas cheer by also posting the song the Dalish sing about Fen'Harel during holidays here. (I rhymed.)
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Someone needs to record this, are there any singers and guitar players among us?
On another note:
Love the butt grabbing SamanthaJ
So BioWare wouldn't force the Inquisitor's death but they would force them to be a villain? I think the latter would get a lot more hate.
I dunno - they would basically be a "villain" out of player choice, right?
It's pretty much a given that if the elven gods are released, it's gonna be pretty bad for everyone whose not an elf (probably even be bad for elves) - restoring the elven people means taking down everyone else whose in power. So you're kind of knowingly putting yourself at odds with the rest of the world.
And an Inquisitor who drank from the well and was forced to help, isn't so much a villain as a slave - so the two end paths there would be either new protagonist kills Solas and frees Inquizzie, or new protagonist kills Inquizzie...also sort of freeing them.
I dunno - they would basically be a "villain" out of player choice, right?
It's pretty much a given that if the elven gods are released, it's gonna be pretty bad for everyone whose not an elf (probably even be bad for elves) - restoring the elven people means taking down everyone else whose in power. So you're kind of knowingly putting yourself at odds with the rest of the world.
And an Inquisitor who drank from the well and was forced to help, isn't so much a villain as a slave - so the two end paths there would be either new protagonist kills Solas and frees Inquizzie, or new protagonist kills Inquizzie...also sort of freeing them.
But the only choices in this scenario are agree with Solas or drink from the Well? What about people who didn't drink and think Solas can go to hell? Is there a third fight and die choice?
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