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[Shari'El]

Whatever they do with Solas, I just hope it's satisfying. I get the feeling he considers all of modern Thedas to be expendable in light of his bigger goals, a serious case of the ends justify the means. BUT if you take his friendship path or especially his romance path, he stops being so certain about that. Maybe that's what Cole meant by "you're real, and that means they all could be real" and "it changes everything, but it can't".

 

Also, I get the distinct feeling that, though Solas might kill anyone, he knows that it's messed up and wrong. That's why he breaks away from you, why he tells you that you can't be together and why he must walk this path alone. A path he wouldn't wish on an enemy. It sounds like Solas knows this is terrible but believes that it must be done and he's the one willing to get the blood on his hands to make it happen.

 

You know what I would like? If he's not completely wrong. Not that the ends justify the means, because I don't believe that, but that what he's trying to do WOULD lead to a more peaceful world. I'm tired of these types of characters always being completely wrong and misguided, end of story. Especially with how old Solas is and how much he's seen. It's just such a cop-out. 

 

Same.

 

I still want to believe that what he does is what depicted in Sandal's prophecy. 

I'm not sure he wants to release the Elvhen gods, maybe he wants to return the elves their powers by removing the veil.

That way everybody returns to what they were - and the elves regain their immortality, they become powerful are able to overcome their slavers?

Wishful thinking. It's just that Weekes has written such a good character, I want him to keep surprising us, it will really be old if he goes with the path of "he tries to do what he thinks is good, but does only bad".

This way his way of going about it isn't as bad, but could still lead to bad things - indirectly. It would change the world as we know it, and people are not that good with acclimating to changes.

 

The more I think about the more it makes sense to me that this is what he tries to achieve. Solas is wise, not only smart, but wise - he has seen a lot. Bringing back Elvhen gods means bringing back those who enslaved the elves in the first place, he wants to save the elves, not make them face a new problem.

[BubbleDncr]

But the only choices in this scenario are agree with Solas or drink from the Well? What about people who didn't drink and think Solas can go to hell? Is there a third fight and die choice?

 

Yea, I think I said that in my original post. 

 

1) Agree to help or not

 

If not,

 

2) Forced to help (drank from well)

3) Killed to get the anchor back (didn't drink from well)

[Shari'El]

By the time the Inquisitor does catch up to him, we get a scene reminiscent of the one with Anders. To kill or not to kill. Forgive and join Solas; or forgive and let him go. (I have doubts the IQ is physically capable of killing Solas at this stage)

 

Unless whatever he does greatly weakens him, ofcourse.

[SamanthaJ]

I don't think Solas is going to have anything to do with the Well period. I think the connection to the Well will be with the essence of godhood (which I think was what Flemeth sent through the mirror so it could reach Morrigan) rather than the 'spark' that Solas got.

[scintilla]

Yea, I think I said that in my original post. 

 

1) Agree to help or not

 

If not,

 

2) Forced to help (drank from well)

3) Killed to get the anchor back (didn't drink from well)

 

Ahh, I had to leave after making that post and completely forgot about the rest of yours. Sorry! Yeah, I can see that being an interesting way to handle things. I'm not sure if BioWare would be that bold. I really think people will react badly to drinking from the Well turning their protagonist into a villain in the next game.

 

I mean, they did agree to give up agency with the character by drinking from the Well. I'm just not sure BioWare would go that far with them.

[Shari'El]

After reading Stolen Throne, I really grew to admire him.

 

I think this is why I'm so disappointed with Blackwall. I love redemption, I love atonement, I love the underdog - but Logain never made choices for his own *personal* gain like Tom Rainier did. Logain is willing to take the blame, to be seen as a monster, to be reviled and hated, IF it will save the world.

 

This is exactly why I never liked Blackwall.

 

Spoiler

After I got over the part he is quite dull compared to the other characters, I tried to romance him. He has a freakin' beard, of course I would romance him... When my dwarven Inqi found out about Rainier she was shocked, so was I. She forgave him and made him redeem himself through service in the Inquisition but I, personally, never forgave him. I can forgive those who do bad things out of good will & misjudgment, couldn't forgive him since he did it for the money.

 

Same for Solas - I can entirely forgive him.

And then sex him.

[BubbleDncr]

Ahh, I had to leave after making that post and completely forgot about the rest of yours. Sorry! Yeah, I can see that being an interesting way to handle things. I'm not sure if BioWare would be that bold. I really think people will react badly to drinking from the Well turning their protagonist into a villain in the next game.

 

I mean, they did agree to give up agency with the character by drinking from the Well. I'm just not sure BioWare would go that far with them.

 

I dunno, I'm usually completely wrong whenever I try to predict what Bioware would do. I just think it would be a more interesting route that what they did with Hawke or the Warden. They wouldn't really be a major villain - more like a sidekick villain, lol. 

[Shari'El]

Tho I kind of hope if he did hate your Inquisitor, maybe he does just skip straight to the killing you option lol. 

 

I'm entirely up to it.

I like the idea that the relationship with him affects what happens to Inqi.

[Shari'El]

Well, if the Inquisitor helps Solas willingly, or is forced to do it, then if DA4 deals with the fallout of that...it could effectively put the Inquisitor on "team bad guy." Which is a new and interesting position to have the previous protagonist be in. 

 

That's be super interesting and out of the box, I'd love to play that DA4 game.

"How heroes fall" they will say.

[scintilla]

I dunno, I'm usually completely wrong whenever I try to predict what Bioware would do. I just think it would be a more interesting route that what they did with Hawke or the Warden. They wouldn't really be a major villain - more like a sidekick villain, lol. 

 

Oh man, I would love to see the reactions to that. The fanboy fury over their wrongfully villainized Inquisitors not even being the Big Bad! 

 

It would definitely be better than the mysterious disappearances though. Only to take back the mystery and be like "yeah, looking for a cure the Calling/actually right here!" The DA team has a funny history with how they've handled previous protagonists. I hope they do something better with the Inquisitor.

[BubbleDncr]

That's be super interesting and out of the box, I'd love to play that DA4 game.

"How heroes fall" they will say.

 

As they said in Batman... "You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain."

[TheComfyCat]

So what do you guys think of his tarot cards (The Hierophant vs. The Tower) in light of this new information? 

[Shari'El]

I don't think Solas is going to have anything to do with the Well period. I think the connection to the Well will be with the essence of godhood (which I think was what Flemeth sent through the mirror so it could reach Morrigan) rather than the 'spark' that Solas got.

 

I think so as well. It said that she passed her god-hood to Morrigan, the god-hood/Mythal's spirit (presumably) is what gives Flemeth the ability to order Inqi.

[SamanthaJ]

I think when we move on to another protagonist the best way to do it is to have the Inquisitor do their Inquisitoring in Southern Thedas while the plot moves north. Railroading them into being a villian, either unwittingly or not...please no. Same with killing them. At least the Inquisitor doing their job is plausible explanation for why they aren't present since I don't know how much power they hold up north in places like Tevinter or the Anderfels.

[zambixi]

I think so as well. It said that she passed her god-hood to Morrigan, the god-hood/Mythal's spirit (presumably) is what gives Flemeth the ability to order Inqi.

 

I guess this solves the debate on whether or not the elven gods are "just" mages with a lot of influence. If there's something inherent about them that makes them gods, something that can be passed on and that Morrigan (who is a powerful mage on her own) can obtain...? That makes them more than normal mages.

 

I wouldn't be entirely upset if 2/3 my protagonists romanced gods. I might even have to change my canon Origins PT for that.

 

I think when we move on to another protagonist the best way to do it is to have the Inquisitor do their Inquisitoring in Southern Thedas while the plot moves north. Railroading them into being a villian, either unwittingly or not...please no. Same with killing them. At least the Inquisitor doing their job is plausible explanation for why they aren't present since I don't know how much power they hold up north in places like Tevinter or the Anderfels.

 

I'd like to see the Inquisition fall from grace somehow, either by choice or by ruin. Hawke doesn't even get to stay viscount, so I find it hard to believe that the Inquisitor gets to stay...the Inquisitor. Though then what would they call them? Would they have to re-record every line for their last name? Would they call them the Herald? Oh that's the other thing - to see the Herald thing cast down. I spent the whole freaking game telling everyone "Hey guys, I'm Dalish. I don't follow the Andrastian faith."  To be able to support the elven gods and be like "I TOLD YOU!" would be so satisfying.

[SamanthaJ]

i'd love to see Morrigan meet Abelas again, though, when she has Mythal's essence.

[Shari'El]

So what do you guys think of his tarot cards (The Hierophant vs. The Tower) in light of this new information? 

 

I think that the fact that when romanced it changes to the Heirophant is a way to give those who endured that horribly sad romance a sneak peak to his personality? In a good way. Romaced Lavellan knows Solas the most, she has the best idea of who he is and his motives (still not a lot of idea, but still...), I think it's a way to expand on that knowledge to the player.

 

Also, we should consider the meanings of the cards.

 

The Tower - this one comes to describe the fact that "omg Solas is Fen'Harel' as well as what Solas is trying to achieve. The Tower speaks of (usually disastrous) realization/revelation, when what you think is true is revealed to be false, it also speaks of sudden change. So - the revelation that Solas is Fen'Harel (obviously) and that he has been hiding the truth of his connection to Cory all along, as well as his plan to bring about a big change.

 

Classic Tower (from a deck I own):

 

The Heirophant - this is trickier. This card revolves around religion and beliefs, as well as a cause. He is also known as the Pope. It can also speak of "doing the right things". This card speaks of status quo, it's the exact opposite of the 'change' in the Tower. It's quite bewildering since it's obvious Solas is still up to executing his plans. The question is - does this hint that he changed some of his opinions?

On the other hand it can speak of another aspect of the card, spirituality, mercy/goodness, consciousness, connecting "god" and the people sort of thing. As well as striving for harmony within a community, maybe this comes to explain his final goal? 

 

Classic Heirophant (this is a deck I own):

 

Also, this card has a female counterpart - the High Priestess, I kind of like thinking of Lavellan as her.

 

Also #2, I can't do readings, I did learn how to, out of curiosity, but I failed...

 

Edit: please notice that there aren't really bad cards in Tarot, they can be bad in certain context as well as good. There is a Devil card (generally pleasure/indulgence/desire etc.) and Death card (generally endings/big change).

[SamanthaJ]

I was lurking in the Cullen thread and someone confirmed that they found the files also.

[Shari'El]

I was lurking in the Cullen thread and someone confirmed that they found the files also.

 

They found the files or the reddit thread?

I'm curious about the files, I want to see if they are the real deal.

[SamanthaJ]

They found the files. And Renmiri found it too.

[MidgetNemo]

Wow, hm, do you guys think there are any other files that sort of reveal his plans or something or gives us more insight into what happened? Like,maybe the design notes for the final romance scene with Solas?

[zambixi]

Wow, hm, do you guys think there are any other files that sort of reveal his plans or something or gives us more insight into what happened? Like,maybe the design notes for the final romance scene with Solas?

 

Oh I'd love to see those. The ones for the third scene especially.

 

I feel like BW needs to hire a whole new team of "code scrubbers" to find all the errant code that reveals spoilers xD

[Renmiri1]

Oh I'd love to see those. The ones for the third scene especially.

 

I feel like BW needs to hire a whole new team of "code scrubbers" to find all the errant code that reveals spoilers xD

 

No according to the guy who found them the rest is just some fluff about other companions.

 

But there are 30 GB of files so who knows. Maybe there is more in another hidden spot no one has seen yet.

[Sashimi_taco]

You know what I fear?

 

Remember when the ending to ME3 got leaked and they changed it and it was the worst thing to ever happen to the world? What if they do the same thing and we end up with some horrible story wrap up?

 

Please don't do this bioware. I'm really serious. Like you got me back with Dragon Age Inquisition. But if you throw another ME3 ending at me I will kill myself. I cannot go through another disappointment that huge. 

 

On an unrelated note I've been holiday drinking and reading fanfics all day. This is really great.

[Renmiri1]

Oh I'd love to see those. The ones for the third scene especially.

 

I feel like BW needs to hire a whole new team of "code scrubbers" to find all the errant code that reveals spoilers xD

mwahahah

 

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