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[Giant ambush beetle]

Pokerface. 

[Eggplant Hell Princess]

Awww, that's too bad. My next recommendation would have been to read Asunder. You get to know a lot about Rhys, Evangeline, Cole and a lot more about Wynne. We can always give you the important stuff here at least 

 

Aww! Thank you darling!

 

Yeah, when I got the war table operation to find Rhys and Evangeline all I could think was, "why are these people so important?" Then I googled him and just about fainted. Imo, both Cole and the Orlais civil war quest line were not as well handled as they could have been for those of us who haven't been reading the books.

 

 

Pokerface. 

 

They should take lessons from my Warden. She only made this face :-| through the entire game. Tough ******.

[Bfler]

To hide their severe acne.

[Chenoah]

 

 

Aww! Thank you darling!

 

Yeah, when I got the war table operation to find Rhys and Evangeline all I could think was, "why are these people so important?" Then I googled him and just about fainted. Imo, both Cole and the Orlais civil war quest line were not as well handled as they could have been for those of us who haven't been reading the books.

 

 

 

They should take lessons from my Warden. She only made this face :-| through the entire game. Tough ******.

 

It is very cryptic. AS if it were geared toward those who read the books. For example when Cole talks about killing Lord Seeker Lambert and when he talks about Evangeline dying then getting better. Someone who hasn't read them would be like well... ok then o.o

[Gonzo]

I always saw the mask thing more as a "visual" decision then having a lore heavy explanation... It invokes that feeling that they are not trustworthy.
I agree that inquisition lacked a lot of context. Reading the wiki entrys of the books helped me a bit. Wish there where more DA audiobooks, I loved hearing The Stolen Throne/The Calling.

[Setiweb]

Is there a reason?

Much easier than the DA2 random makeup design.

[Eggplant Hell Princess]

Much easier than the DA2 random makeup design.

 

Hmmm... I don't really recall what makeup design you're referring to...

 

I always saw the mask thing more as a "visual" decision then having a lore heavy explanation... It invokes that feeling that they are not trustworthy.
I agree that inquisition lacked a lot of context. Reading the wiki entrys of the books helped me a bit. Wish there where more DA audiobooks, I loved hearing The Stolen Throne/The Calling.

 

Definitely, re: it being a visual decision. I guess it comes down to a design not being implemented well enough to be 100% authentic and believable. Maybe they should have gone with a look more in line with the Venetian nobles Pietro Longhi depicted in his paintings. 

 

Spoiler

 

 

Here's a link to his wiki page. There's actually a section about the importance of masks in his work.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

well there was refferances to a wasteing plague. that could have left some whith faceial scarring like pok marks ect the masks could have meen used to concele this but the maskd became fasionable then evolved to custom then into tradition.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

Medieaval equivalent of being an internet Rambo. behind the mask (screen) you can say anything you like, you don't have to live it to say. They can play the game as they must to win in the masks, the person they are at home w/o the mask may be a different person entirely.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

nah im sure that the refferances to the wasteing disese whith Syphalus like syndromes is a clue. 

the anonimaty is a side effect.

the fact that the masks tend to incude wigs is a clue as well.

[zeypher]

Yea this recent issues of book characters in games, im sorry but i find that a terrible thing. The game should provide the context, and if you require that i read a crappy game based book to get that then that is bad design. This is one the MAIN reasons i hated wicked hearts and eyes missions as so much about the characters was in some novels and therefore as a game that mission was incredibly boring as a player has no context.

 

Weird thing is this has started happening more and more, happened in ME3, now DA:I and frankly i personally do not like it.

[snackrat]

The reasoning I remember was to separate their Game faces - all the coy remarks and devious politics - from their real faces, which they would only use in the privacy of their own home with close friends/family.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Wait, since when is slavery legal in Orlais?

It is unofficially legal in Orlais, they just call it by a different name

[Dommy30]

I've always seen it as being like others have said. Consider the very very very highly unlikely scenario that I am Comte Fancypants Cheesemonger XIII. When I have the mask on, everything I say and everything I do is in the capacity of being Comte Fancypants Cheesemonger XIII. I am not really Comte Fancypants Cheesemonger XIII behind the mask, which is why I wear it, so I can be him.

 

Without the mask, I am my true self... me.

 

The masks are there as Vivienne says... as a mask. How many people go out into the world and do things like go to job interviews as their true selves? If you were a hardcore rocker who worked in a high-end government job, would you bring your rockin' way of life to the workplace? You wouldn't. When you go to work, you have to put on a 'mask' of professionalism. You're not you at the government job, you're government drone #3835 and you're expected to act like it. The Orlesians, given their fondness for the poetic, choose to use these masks to add a visual element. You can only really be your true self when you're back at home with those you care about. That is when your guard is down. That is when you are you. That is when you drop the mask, both figuratively and literally.

 

Hope it helps. That's how I see it, at least.

[JJDXB]

Yea this recent issues of book characters in games, im sorry but i find that a terrible thing. The game should provide the context, and if you require that i read a crappy game based book to get that then that is bad design. This is one the MAIN reasons i hated wicked hearts and eyes missions as so much about the characters was in some novels and therefore as a game that mission was incredibly boring as a player has no context.

 

Weird thing is this has started happening more and more, happened in ME3, now DA:I and frankly i personally do not like it.

 

The game does provide context.  You just have to look for it.  Josephine will explain it, and Vivienne will too if you take her to the ball but you must ask them.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

How do you make spoilers?

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Because of things like this

 

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Spoiler

 

 

[Gervaise]

I can understand the use of masks at court and social functions and even nobility wearing them out on the streets.   What I found most puzzling is how the military leaders are still wearing them out on the battlefield.   That makes no sense at all.    It is not like a full face helmet, which has sufficient space and ventilation holes/grills to allow the air to circulate.   I can only assume that the guys wearing face masks never actually do any fighting.   

 

As for people from Orlais still wearing masks in Skyhold, I'd have liked to have banned the practice.    I like to see who I'm talking to in my own home.

[Dommy30]

On the battlefield, I think it has more to do with morale than anything else. If he goes there without his mask, then he is just a man. Men can be killed, and are fallible. If he goes WITH the mask, then he becomes that figure of renown that he is known to be. The mask is his 'face'. Such a face cannot necessarily be put onto a helmet so easily... either that or yes, he isn't expecting to actually fight on the battlefield itself. There's also the cultural considerations, too. Not every culture necessarily practiced what we'd consider to be common sense today, since appearances aren't such a big thing. These days, battles aren't necessarily fought and won by particular individuals leading the charge, so there's more focus on getting the job done rather than looking good while doing it.

[dsl08002]

Theyre ugly

[Ashagar]

On the battlefield, I think it has more to do with morale than anything else. If he goes there without his mask, then he is just a man. Men can be killed, and are fallible. If he goes WITH the mask, then he becomes that figure of renown that he is known to be. The mask is his 'face'. Such a face cannot necessarily be put onto a helmet so easily... either that or yes, he isn't expecting to actually fight on the battlefield itself. There's also the cultural considerations, too. Not every culture necessarily practiced what we'd consider to be common sense today, since appearances aren't such a big thing. These days, battles aren't necessarily fought and won by particular individuals leading the charge, so there's more focus on getting the job done rather than looking good while doing it.

 

Battle masks weren't unheard of in RL ancient world we have surviving examples from various cultures including the romans who some of their mounted units wore masks similar to the ones you see some of the Olresian forces wearing but made of bronze and of course Japanese samurai and foot solders were masks as well to name a few examples.

[Walrider]

People keep mentioning the Inquisition being awkward at the Winter Palace for not wearing the masks.

 

Well, yeah. The masks are an Orlesian nobility thing. In Masked Empire, Arl (or Bann, I don't remember what he was in the book) Teagan was noted by Celene for not wearing a mask to a ball, due to the fact he isn't Orlesian nobility.