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[Bayonet Hipshot]

After that whole quest in Valammar involving Dwarf Bianca, Red Lyrium and Corypheus, was I the only one who thought that :- 

1. The Inquisitor should have been able to judge Bianca and possibly recruit her as an Agent for the Inquisition.
2. The Inquisitor should have the option of telling Varric to move on from Bianca.

Why  ?

 

1) We know from that mission that Bianca was the leak. Sure, she tries to fix it and it is as best as she can make it but here we have a Dwarf with who is an expert in Red Lyrium and can build interesting machinery. We should have had the option to bring her to Skyhold, judge her and have the option to recruit her as an Inquisition agent. She was too useful to pass up. I am sure the Dwarven Merchants' Guild can be either be persuaded to let Bianca lend her expertise with the help of Josephine or be intimidated into not  messing around with what the Inquisition wants to do with the help of Leliana or Cullen. If we have the power to chart the course of Orlesian Monarchy and Divine election for the Chantry, I am sure we can have influence on the Merchants' Guild.

 

Instead, she just pisses off and then gets away with threatening the Inquisitor. Feeding me my eyeballs ? You are the one who screwed up ! I should be judging you in Skyhold for this mess ! I could judge a goat thrower but I cannot judge a leak to Corypheus ?

 

2) Varric is a simultaneously likeable and pitiable guy. He is likeable because he is funny, he gets along well with everyone and he is deep down a good man. He is pitiable because he is what we in today's world would call a S.I.M.P (Google that if you do not understand what a SIMP man is). He clearly cares and pines for Bianca. He gives her the p***y pass to essentially do what she wants to do, even after she was exposed as the leak, he has some words with her and then leaves. From the dialogue, it is clear she has essentially f***ed him over many times. Okay, Bianca does care for Varric and she had a hand in designing that crossbow, together with Gerav but Bianca does not care enough for Varric to make a difference. In fact, Bianca reminds of women who would friendzone the nice funny guy and use him whenever she wants to. 

 

The Inquisitor, especially the female Dwarf Inquisitor, should have had the option to tell or persuade Varric after the whole thing to let Bianca go and find someone else because he, Varric, deserves better than pining away being tragic like that. He could have been a female Dwarf Inquisitor only romance, in the same way Solas is the female Elf Inquisitor only romance. It would have added a lot more variety for the minority character, female Dwarf, in the game. Either that or just persuade him to move on to someone like Dagna or Harding. Varric clearly deserved better. 

 

However this is only my opinion. Thoughts & comments ? 

[Chernaya]

I know that I (as well as many regulars in the Varric thread) agree with you. It was a bit infuriating that we were left to clean up after her mistake and the last thing she did was threaten us and run away.

 

Her relationship with Varric is sad, but that's just my opinion. I like Varric and don't think he deserves that life, but it's his choice. He's a grown man. 

 

She really would have been useful as an agent. It would have been a good way to judge her without Varric getting so upset that he leaves, and despite her poor decision making skills she was certainly skilled enough to be a great asset to the Inquisition.  

[Battlebloodmage]

If there is a breaking point for Varric to leave the Inquisition, judging Bianca would be that, seeing as how much he's giving up for her. He only uses Bianca as his crossbow. 

[Bayonet Hipshot]

I know that I (as well as many regulars in the Varric thread) agree with you. It was a bit infuriating that we were left to clean up after her mistake and the last thing she did was threaten us and run away.

 

Her relationship with Varric is sad, but that's just my opinion. I like Varric and don't think he deserves that life, but it's his choice. He's a grown man. 

 

She really would have been useful as an agent. It would have been a good way to judge her without Varric getting so upset that he leaves, and despite her poor decision making skills she was certainly skilled enough to be a great asset to the Inquisition.  

 

True, Varric is a grown man but the Inquisitor is a grown man or grown woman who can pity their best friend and persuade him to move on. For one, it would have attracted more people to play Female Dwarf Inquisitor because I know that there are many who play Female Elf Inquisitor because of Solas / Fen'Harel romance. 

 

Additionally, yes, to a pragmatic and practical Inquisitor, Bianca's expertise is far too useful to ignore. Makes gadgets that allows her name, a surface dwarf, to be up for Paragon-hood, an Artificer, discovered that Lyrium was alive, discovered that Red Lyrium is Blighted Lyrium ? And she just comes with us to lock a door and run off....

 

Not cool Bioware, not cool at all...

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Dagna > Bianca tbh. 

 

As far as Varric 'moving on'... easier said than done.

 

That quest does feel incomplete though. Should have had an option to smack sense into Bianca, Varric, or both. Seriously, **** bloodlines and familial disputes and all that other nonsense. Just reminds me of how crappy my RL relationships have ended up.

 

That is the main reason why I would like the option for Varric to move on, especially for Varric to move on and romance Female Dwarf Inquisitor....Because his love life & romantic relationship reminds me too much of the crappy screwed up real life ones...

 

This is a game, we should have a choice to change that for someone who can essentially end up as our best friend...

[LolaLei]

On the one hand I kinda liked that Varric is a bit of sap/pushover when it comes to Bianca because he's always come across as very confident and sure of himself, so to see this other side to him makes him feel like a flawed character and more "human", I guess.

 

That being said, I found Bianca to be a bit of a let down. The quest that she appeared in felt like it needed to be expanded upon, because all we really saw is her confessing her mistake and generally behaving like a bit of an arsehole... there's clearly more to her character than that but we didn't get to see or experience it. I agree that it would've been cool to recruit her as an agent based in the Skyhold (something akin to Dagna), I would've liked to see her story unfold throughout the game and talked to her a bit.

 

It's clear that she cares about Varric, even if she has seemingly messed him around in the past but I would've liked to have got more details on their backstory and got her take on their situation.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

On the one hand I kinda liked that Varric is a bit of sap/pushover when it comes to Bianca because he's always come across as very confident and **** sure of himself, so to see this other side to him makes him feel like a flawed character and more "human", I guess.

 

That being said, I found Bianca to be a bit of a let down. The quest that she appeared in felt like it needed to be expanded upon, because all we really saw is her confessing her mistake and generally behaving like a bit of an arsehole... there's clearly more to her character than that but we didn't get to see or experience it. I agree that it would've been cool to recruit her as an agent based in the Skyhold (something akin to Dagna), I would've liked to see her story unfold throughout the game and talked to her a bit.

 

It's clear that she cares about Varric, even if she has seemingly messed him around in the past but I would've liked to have got more details on their backstory and got her take on their situation.

 

True...The worst part is that they got a very talented voice actress, Laura Bailey for her and then all Bianca did was just be part of a minor quest even though, she, like Alexius, made a big lore-shaking discovery...

 

Alexius founded, created and used time magic for the first time in Theodosian history, even Fen'Harel was surprised at that...For this we have the possibility of recruiting him...

 

Bianca discovered that Lyrium is sentient, discovered that Red Lyrium is Lyrium infected with the Blight and invents paragon-level machinery....She just buggers off...

[Chari]

I liked Bianca. Can't believe people are offended by her jokey threat. I heard Shale say worse

And since they really love each other but also can't really abandon their families their situation seems realistic. Actually, almost common among dwarves and any kind of culture in which heritage is an important part. They are responsible adults but they love each other and blahblahblah

Also, Varric was never meant to be a LI and never will be. Let him already go, Varric's less clingy than some of his fans are

[Bayonet Hipshot]

People are not offended by her. People want her usefulness to be used for the good of the Inquisition. Letting her go scott free is like letting a talented engineer just walking away. Pragmatic and practical people don't do that. They recruit or conscript them.

 

You call a woman who screws a guy over multiple times and does not care for him as much as he cares for her love ? You have an interesting idea of love.

 

As for heritage and culture, Dragon Age is about going against the norm. Dorian, Celene & Briala, etc....So screw cultural preservation if it does nothing good... 

[LolaLei]

Dagna > Bianca tbh. 

 

As far as Varric 'moving on'... easier said than done.

 

That quest does feel incomplete though. Should have had an option to smack sense into Bianca, Varric, or both. Seriously, **** bloodlines and familial disputes and all that other nonsense. Just reminds me of how crappy my RL relationships have ended up.

 

I was so sure that we'd be able to talk them into getting back together properly when she showed up at the Skyhold prior to the quest. I mean, as far as the pair of them are aware the world is ending with no guarantee that the Inquisitor would be able to stop Corypheus, you'd think that would be enough for people to be with the ones they love, lol. The Inquisition could have faked her death so that they could be together or something... but maybe that's the point? Maybe she didn't care of him "like that" anymore/possibly never did, or maybe it was supposed to depict that whole star crossed lovers thing? I dunno.

 

The way they relationship was portrayed in the Fade segment of one of the comics Varric made their separation seem like it was all very dramatic and tragic, so when Mary Kirby said Bianca was still very much alive and we'd be able to ask her what happened to their relationship I thought we'd get something more interesting than what we actually got.

[Br3admax]

Bianca discovered that Lyrium is sentient, discovered that Red Lyrium is Lyrium infected with the Blight and invents paragon-level machinery....She just buggers off...

She didn't do the first two. She did further research into it, but a lot of people do that. 

 

 

Anyway, I don't think it's my or anyone's place to tell someone when to "move on." It's their life, and they can live it however they want to. I do hate that Bianca gets away with giving Corypheshit the PT location, though. 

[Han Shot First]

 

1. The Inquisitor should have the option of telling Varric to move on from Bianca.

 

I'd be against that.

 

While it can be interesting to sometimes have the protagonist influence the personalities or direction of companion characters, you have to be careful not to overdue it. And I think the Inquisitor playing Hand of God and ending Varric's relationship with Bianca would have been overdoing it.

 

Bianca isn't just some fling, or a mild crush. Varric is obviously in love with her and has been in a relationship with her years, even if that relationship is a bit non-traditional and a source of some pain. In short if Varric was a real person, I don't think he'd be likely to listen to any advice to break that relationship off. The heart wants what it wants.

 

I'd be all for giving the Inquisitor an option of making an attempt at saying, "She's no good for you, bro" so long as Varric responded with disapproval and:

 

[Chari]

People are not offended by her. People want her usefulness to be used for the good of the Inquisition. Letting her go scott free is like letting a talented engineer just walking away. Pragmatic and practical people don't do that. They recruit or conscript them.

 

You call a woman who screws a guy over multiple times and does not care for him as much as he cares for her love ? You have an interesting idea of love.

 

As for heritage and culture, Dragon Age is about going against the norm. Dorian, Celene & Briala, etc....So screw cultural preservation if it does nothing good... 

And she screws him over how? By making mistakes? Good to know a proper lover never makes mistakes

Or do you mean the fact that she's married? Then, do you know a concept of an arranged marriage? Because as far as I know it wasn't Bianca's will to marry the dude. Her family. And you blame her for this? Do you also blame every victim of such a tradition in RL too?  

And she does care about him. Just because she can't be constantly with him doesn't mean she doesn't. Otherwise... mmm, Zevran, Lelianna, Alistair we need to talk

Seriously? That's not a mature approach to anything. Especially to story writing. Unless you like sappy silly love stories in which everything is perfect even if it makes no logical sense

[Bob Walker]

IMO, there should be an option to judge Bianca at Skyhold. I'd gladly cut her head off by the neck [problem is she has no neck].

[HuldraDancer]

Yeah we should have been able to judge her at the very least for that rather big slip up of hers at the very least get her as an agent. Just kind of stands out that I can judge and kill a man for throwing a goat at Skyhold but I can't judge the person who kind of led the big bad to a huge supply of red lyruim*sp*. Really? 

 

As for getting involved and telling Varric to move on I'm eh about that since that didn't feel like my Inquisitor's place now if it was Hawke we were playing as hell yes because those two can be quite good friends so it would be rather appropriate for Hawke to say something about it but not for the Inquisitor.

 

I do agree we should have been allowed to judge her though and again it just seems very odd of place that we can not do diddly about it.

[Dr. Doctor]

Bianca is affiliated with the Inquisition, if you capture the keep in Emprise du Lion she and a tranquil assistant can be seen discussing the red lyrium clean up operation and how it will never truly be gotten rid of.

[Dune01]

Some dwarves are just destined to live an unhappy life. I feel bad, yes, but I find that life to suit Varric perfectly. I can't imagine him as someone that is bound to one place, living with his wife and potentially children. This is the only way he can love. He is my best pal and all(both in Inquisition and in DA2) but I can't change him, even if I wanted too.

And I don't. I love him for who he is. And that is who he is.

[Precursor Meta]

I really didn't like the way she threatened me. Maybe its a little self centered, but I'm the inquisitor! If I had to judge her she'd be sunt straight to the gallows.

[MWImexico]

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 The heart wants what it wants.

 

 

Exactly. Good luck to those who wish to convince Romeo that he should give up on Juliet.

Also, I think that faking her death is an option that would not have worked in this context because of Bianca's Family. She's surrounded by spies and they surely have anticipated that she could try to run away with her lover soon or later.

I suppose that the best way to recruit her would have been to ask/inform her family first, otherwise Varric would have paid the price.

[LolaLei]

I really didn't like the way she threatened me. Maybe its a little self centered, but I'm the inquisitor! If I had to judge her she'd be sunt straight to the gallows.

 

I think my response to her telling the Inquisitor to look after Varric with a threat, would have been "perhaps you should learn to take your own advice", since she's not exactly done the best job of keeping him safe herself, lol.

[Hellion Rex]

Bianca is affiliated with the Inquisition, if you capture the keep in Emprise du Lion she and a tranquil assistant can be seen discussing the red lyrium clean up operation and how it will never truly be gotten rid of.

WHERE?!?!

[rda]

I just found her to be a stupid, spoiled brat. She makes stupid decisions that deliver a supply of lyrium to the big bad and her reaction is to try to cover it up. And not just cover it up from me, but cover it up from Varric, the man she supposedly loves.

And she threatens me for no apparent reason. I felt like saying that her actions probably did more to threaten Varric's safety than anything I did/could do.

And if this dude was my friend IRL, I would tell him the relationship sucked. I've told friends this stuff IRL, and while they don't immediately break it off and say, "Oh thank you so much!" sometimes it can give them something to think about and is the wake up call they need to eventually end the relationship themselves.

[Mr.House]

Eh, if Varric wants to continue it, it's his choice. My Inquisitor might be his friend, but she's not his parent. She can give him comfort, a ear, help and have fun but when it comes to do this? She has no right to say anything. Afterall she's having sex with her lyruim withdrawal commander of her armies.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

*snip*

Being in an emotionally and psychologically unhealthy relationship just because the heart wants what he heart wants, even that which is worse for it, is foolish. Which is why I am an advocate for choice. The Inquisitor should have a choice in persuading Varric to move on. 

 

I mean, we could, in previous games, harden people's personality, make someone give up blood magic and so on. Which means, being able to persuade someone to get out of a parasitical relationship, even if it is all very feelsuh, should be an option.

 

Its what a good friend would have done. A good friend won't just stand by watching their supposedly good friend getting screwed over and think "Yeah, let us just leave that be and let it pass, because feels." 

 

Feels do not make a person. How they act based on those feels is everything. Varric is clearly, being a simp and not thinking straight. 

 

As for Varric being an option for Femdwarfquisitor, it would have added an interesting dynamic and an interesting reason to play as a Female Dwarf.