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Petition for a Straight Female Mage Elf or Tal Vashot companion.


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I feel like I can say, with reasonable certainty, that no one would mind a straight elf companion as a romance option. I personally would rather have someone else, but whatever. Overall, no one would bat an eye. Thing is - the justifications you're using to support the idea, and the position you're arguing from, is insane and loathsome.

 

That's ultimately how I feel about it.  I certainly don't see anything wrong with requesting a female elf romance option available to male PCs.  Especially given that we've only had one in the entire series and she was only available to a human PC.  I also can somewhat understand the 'wanting her to be straight' thing.  I personally think it's a bit flawed because the reasons for it seem to be grounded in bigotry (even though it's presented as something else), but as someone who just expressed a preference for a gay male LI of a particular trope (over a bisexual guy of the same trope) in a different thread, I can understand that the OP might have a reason that makes sense to him as to why she needs to be straight (other than bigotry -- I'm speaking in general, not to this OP in particular).

 

The issue that I have is that the argument for it is based in bigotry with passive aggressive digs taken at any non-straight characters/people.  And I'm not going to even touch the whole brood-mare, sex slave aspect of the argument. 

 

If the OP simply wants to see a straight, elf-supremacist female elf mage love interest in a future game, there's nothing inherently wrong with that request.  I have no interest in romancing her or, frankly, interacting with her if she is anything like Velanna, but requests by themselves are fine.  It's the baggage that comes with this one that makes it difficult to tolerate.


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I cannot understand how people can possibly think that asking for s/s romances is an 'agenda' but asking for straight romances isn't. 

 

I would add to this that I can't understand the suggestion that most straight people are opposed to BioWare's inclusion of varieties of sexuality, or are being disadvantaged by it, in some way. I doubt most care (many are likely not even aware.)

 

It's the old, "everything I don't like is pandering, but everything I like is not," attitude.


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As long as they don't add the companion just for romance, I'm all for new companions. 

 

Just maybe fix some of the bugs first. 



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Selective reading. It was an alternative suggestion about presenting her(female elf) with her 'beloved'(other male elf, pointed in previous posts to the one you have quoted) fingers. My justification is clear and quite normal. DA universe is gritty.

 

No, I understood that the first time around. You're describing how you'd like the option of presenting the severed fingers of your forced bride's chosen mate in order to break her will.

 

I don't think you can really spin that in any positive light. Needless to say, I am 100% certain that you'll have to settle for mods in another game if you want the option to menace someone into a relationship with you. And that's unequivocally for the best.


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That's ultimately how I feel about it.  I certainly don't see anything wrong with requesting a female elf romance option available to male PCs.  Especially given that we've only had one in the entire series and she was only available to a human PC.  I also can somewhat understand the 'wanting her to be straight' thing.  I personally think it's a bit flawed because the reasons for it seem to be grounded in bigotry (even though it's presented as something else), but as someone who just expressed a preference for a gay male LI of a particular trope (over a bisexual guy of the same trope) in a different thread, I can understand that the OP might have a reason that makes sense to him as to why she needs to be straight (other than bigotry -- I'm speaking in general, not to this OP in particular).

 

The issue that I have is that the argument for it is based in bigotry with passive aggressive digs taken at any non-straight characters/people.  And I'm not going to even touch the whole brood-mare, sex slave aspect of the argument. 

 

If the OP simply wants to see a straight, elf-supremacist female elf mage love interest in a future game, there's nothing inherently wrong with that request.  I have no interest in romancing her or, frankly, interacting with her if she is anything like Velanna, but requests by themselves are fine.  It's the baggage that comes with this one that makes it difficult to tolerate.

 

Oh, even if there was a straight female elf who is only interested in male elves, he will only accept her if she isn't like Morrigan. You know... independent. It would leave a bad taste in his mouth if the female elf was a strong character. She's supposed to be naive, shy, submissive, obedient and in need of a strong man to take care of her.

 

:rolleyes:



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Reading through this thread has been rather nauseating.  *Looks below*  *Pukes*



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No, I understood that the first time around. You're describing how you'd like the option of presenting the severed fingers of your forced bride's chosen mate in order to break her will.

 

I don't think you can really spin that in any positive light. Needless to say, I am 100% certain that you'll have to settle for mods in another game if you want the option to menace someone into a relationship with you. And that's unequivocally for the best.

Forced, as in talked into accepting the greater good. It has been explained by me several times on the mentiond thread. Whims(choices-chosen) of the mind disturbed with love are irrelevant. Yes, to break her will and set free from the bonds of the past. There is nothing but positive light here.

 

It is not a relationship, but in SW:TOR

Spoiler


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Oh, even if there was a straight female elf who is only interested in male elves, he will only accept her if she isn't like Morrigan. You know... independent. It would leave a bad taste in his mouth if the female elf was a strong character. She's supposed to be naive, shy, submissive, obedient and in need of a strong man to take care of her.

 

:rolleyes:

 

I'm trying to speak in general before people start to argue that it's the request for a straight female elf that's the problem, versus the incredibly questionable ground from which the OP argues.  I can feel which way the wind is about to blow and battening down in preparation.  I'm with you on your statement 100%.



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Forced, as in talked into accepting the greater good. It has been explained by me several times on the mentiond thread. Whims(choices-chosen) of the mind disturbed with love are irrelevant. Yes, to break her will and set free from the bonds of the past. There is nothing but positive light here.

 

It is not a relationship, but in SW:TOR

Spoiler

 

What you're describing is, again, insane and loathsome. You seem to think the Sith Warrior storyline in TOR supports your idea. It doesn't.


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What you're describing is, again, insane and loathsome. You seem to think the Sith Warrior storyline in TOR supports your idea. It doesn't.

I'm afraid that we share different knowledge set about what is 'insane', but sure, you may think so, especially in 'loathsome' case.I were not talking about the in game confirmation of my pure morals. It supports the idea that BioWare puts such content in the game and this is why there is a possibility for it to happen in other installations of theirs; like DA.


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Forced, as in talked into accepting the greater good. It has been explained by me several times on the mentiond thread. Whims(choices-chosen) of the mind disturbed with love are irrelevant. Yes, to break her will and set free from the bonds of the past. There is nothing but positive light here.

 

It is not a relationship, but in SW:TOR

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I really hope that the language barrier is responsible for a lot of how disturbing what you are saying is coming across... 


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I really hope that the language barrier is responsible for a lot of how disturbing what you are saying is coming across...


Staggering isn't it?

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How did this thread become about somebody's creepy-ass abusive white-supremacist fantasies?


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Lord Surinen

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I really hope that the language barrier is responsible for a lot of how disturbing what you are saying is coming across... 

Most definately some of my original meaning got lost in the translation, but it might not be a kind of Gretel you seek. Personally I don't find it disturbing.

 

 

How did this thread become about somebody's creepy-ass abusive white-supremacist fantasies?

White-supremacist? Well, I admit I adore the pale white skin colour on my elvhes, white roses and whipped cream on the black forest gateau but I don't think it means what you have said.

 

but

 

Yes, you are right, this thread has been derailed with a discussion about my thread on the similar subject. I'm sorry Adrubael vect, it was not my intention. I hope that you, me and tons of other people included in the norm, will get their straight companions in the future.


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I hope that you, me and tons of other people included in the norm, will get their straight companions in the future.


Can the tons of people who agree with Mr White Roses & Whipped Cream here please make themselves known, so they can join him on my ignore list? Thanks in advance. x
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Come on, guys...we almost go through this **** EVERY ****** DAY!

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Oh, even if there was a straight female elf who is only interested in male elves, he will only accept her if she isn't like Morrigan. You know... independent. It would leave a bad taste in his mouth if the female elf was a strong character. She's supposed to be naive, shy, submissive, obedient and in need of a strong man to take care of her.

 

:rolleyes:

What  are you talking about?

 

Do you even read what i wrote in the first post?, i think that not at all as many as others who came here and start to wrote their bullsh*t  :D

 

http://forum.bioware...ion/?p=18185825

 

PS. People if you does not want something or does not care, so do not came in such treads about something what you does not want and start to put a garbage-troling and rude post

 

 

Damn i really do not understand some people from dozens treads like "gay in the shining armor" or " (insert name) romancable for females"  who always come in such treads and start to put their angry trolling and "we do not need that" posts,

 

 

Learn to respect people opinion and not be such hypocrites, if you not aprove something, so go for others treads when you find what you like and want or start your own, as you always does.


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Update



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I will remind for all, that this is not theme about "i want a sex slave", so stop spaming about that


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I will remind for all, that this is not theme about "i want a sex slave", so stop spaming about that

Indeed, it is not and neither was mine thread. It is just the thing with the modern, open minded and progressive people. They see and understand things that I cannot even comprehend.

 

 

I really do not understand some people from dozens treads like "gay in the shining armor" or " (insert name) romancable for females"  who always come in such treads and start to put their angry trolling and "we do not need that" posts,

It is the thing here, a tactic to get your thread closed, most probably because you are a privileged white man wanting a female while there is much work to do and more proper agendas to promote than listening to suggestions made by most probably the biggest monetary contributors.

 

Hopefully, EA will force BioWare to tone down their agenda and focus on 'us' and our wishes when it comes to companions. Maybe I'm simply out of synch with reality, and I don't know much about EA, are there too in the agenda business? I don't know.



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Hey guys, whats going on in this thread-

 

No, I understood that the first time around. You're describing how you'd like the option of presenting the severed fingers of your forced bride's chosen mate in order to break her will.

 

-Holy ****, wait what?

 

Okay I need to really go back and read what the heck is going on-

 

-Holy ****.

 

 


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Hopefully, EA will force BioWare to tone down their agenda and focus on 'us' and our wishes when it comes to companions. Maybe I'm simply out of synch with reality, and I don't know much about EA, are there too in the agenda business? I don't know.

 

Yes, you are definately out of synch with reality. I can't believe I have to post this stuff again in another thread but:

 

“We make roleplaying games, which means that the character you play doesn’t have to be yourself, but I believe there’s an element where having a game acknowledge that you exist can be validating in a way most people never consider–no doubt because they have no need for validation, and thus no knowledge as to what the lack of it can do to someone."

 

“It may not be much, but it’s not nothing, and people tell us all the time its not nothing. We receive heartfelt messages of how much our efforts mean all the time, and it galls me to consider how the assumption out there is that we should consider these individuals less important than those who say hateful things, that placating the hateful should be more of a priority for us or any developer.”

 

“I remind myself that it’s not that much to include, and really it’s very little in comparison to the entire rest of the game…and thus, considering what it means to those fans who receive that validation almost nowhere else, it’s not too much to demand a bit of tolerance and compassion from the portion of the audience for whom this content is not even intended.”

 

"The romances in the game are not for “the straight male gamer”. They’re for everyone. We have a lot of fans, many of whom are neither straight nor male, and they deserve no less attention. We have good numbers, after all, on the number of people who actually used similar sorts of content in DAO and thus don’t need to resort to anecdotal evidence to support our idea that their numbers are not insignificant… and that’s ignoring the idea that they don’t have just as much right to play the kind of game they wish as anyone else. The “rights” of anyone with regards to a game are murky at best, but anyone who takes that stance must apply it equally to both the minority as well as the majority. The majority has no inherent “right” to get more options than anyone else."

 

"More than that, I would question anyone deciding they speak for “the straight male gamer” just as much as someone claiming they speak for “all RPG fans”, “all female fans” or even “all gay fans”. You don’t. If you wish to express your personal desires, then do so. I have no doubt that any opinion expressed on these forums is shared by many others, but since none of them have elected a spokesperson you’re better off not trying to be one. If your attempt is to convince BioWare developers, I can tell you that you do in fact make your opinion less convincing by doing so."

 

"And if there is any doubt why such an opinion might be met with hostility, it has to do with privilege. You can write it off as “political correctness” if you wish, but the truth is that privilege always lies with the majority. They’re so used to being catered to that they see the lack of catering as an imbalance. They don’t see anything wrong with having things set up to suit them, what’s everyone’s fuss all about? That’s the way it should be, any everyone else should be used to not getting what they want."

 

"The truth is that making a romance available for both genders is far less costly than creating an entirely new one. Does it create some issues of implementation? Sure– but anything you try on this front is going to have its issues, and inevitably you’ll always leave someone out in the cold. In this case, are all straight males left out in the cold? Not at all. There are romances available for them just the same as anyone else. Not all straight males require that their content be exclusive, after all, and you can see that even on this thread."

 

"Would I do it again? I don’t know. I doubt I would have Anders make the first move again– at the time, I thought that requiring all romances to have Hawke initiate everything was the unrealistic part. Even if someone decides that this makes everyone “unrealistically” bisexual, however, or they can’t handle the idea that the character might be bisexual if they were another PC… I don’t see that as a big concern, to be honest. Romances are never one-size-fits-all, and even for those who don’t mind the sexuality issue there’s no guarantee they’ll find a character they even want to romance. That’s why romances are optional content. It’s such a personal issue that we’ll never be able to please everyone. The very best we can do is give everyone a little bit of choice, and that’s what we tried here."

 

"And the person who says that the only way to please them is to restrict options for others is, if you ask me, the one who deserves it least. And that’s my opinion, expressed as politely as possible."

 

- David Gaider, Bioware.


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Yes, you are definately out of synch with reality. I can't believe I have to post this stuff again in another thread but:

 

Yes, I know about this 'letter' made by Mister Gaider. I know very well about his participation in the progressive current.

 

This is why I have said that I hope for EA to put stop to this. My hopes may never see their fulfillment, but well, hopes have their foolish charm.



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Yes, I know about this 'letter' made by Mister Gaider. I know very well about his participation in the progressive current.
 
This is why I have said that I hope for EA to put stop to this. My hopes may never see their fulfillment, but well, hopes have their foolish charm.


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More japanese!!!!! Anyway, you should always start with 'Lorem ipsum(...)'. Also, it should not be used for audience that has received classical education, it simply derails from the content. While I understand your intention to to be mean, I find it pointless.

 

My opinion stands. Let's hope BioWare will purge the agendas and focus more on an appriopriate content, like the one suggested by the OP.