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[Andres Hendrix]

Fixed.

How is that fixed? Are they going to stop fighting each other to try and invade Sothern Thedas? How about together, like new found bunk buddies? lol

[Amirit]

Gaspard didn't fully go after the throne for along time, he did because Celene was making too many mistakes, she was becoming a weak ruler. Also for all this talk of wanting war, this would hold water if you know, Gaspard didn't bother to negotiate with Alistair and both coming to terms, nor would he continue to be on good terms with the Inquisition, yet he is.

 

Name one Celene's mistake, please? And to make Gaspard negotiate about not attacking Ferelden immediately YOU have to work for it. 

 

Warmonger with Napoleon ambitions and good enough in The Game to play inexperienced rulers like Alistair and Inquisitor is sure a great choice! 

[thesuperdarkone2]

Celene will cut ties with the Inquisition if you have her kill both Briala and Gaspard(thus ensuring no war can ever happen again) she only stays a friend when she is still threaten. Gaspard however remains your close ally and friend with both of them dead. Gaspard does not forget his friends, Celene does when she has nothing threatening her.

 

I don't know, my quizy and Gaspard agreed to have her executed and using all the dirt on her to ensure the elves knew who Briala truly was(hence no elven rebellions) Thus the only opposition Gaspard has is Celenes vocal supportive nobles who are quickly dealt with. This ensures the civil war truly ends. If you do this with Celene though(kill both Briala and Gaspard) she will cut ties later because she is longer threaten and simply has no need for you. She has no value in friends unlike Gaspard.

I can say that what you said is complete bull**** This video disproves that:

 

 

You're either lying or didn't do your research which is typical of Gaspard supporters. They'd value personality over goals. It seems Gaspard could be a genocidal pedophile and they'd still support him if he is nicer than Celene which is just another Harrowmont vs Bhelen choice. 

 

As for me, I reconciled Celene and Briala and gladly let him be executed. After he said he wanted war with Ferelden, I knew I could never make him emperor. I wasn't about to stop Corypheus just to make the world worse by putting people like Gaspard in charge, so I let him be executed and considering the good Celene endings require reconciliation with Briala or executing everyone, it seems the devs agree that Celene is the best choice.

[Andres Hendrix]

@Kimarous

 If you do not really care about Orlais (like me), then none of the endings are really detrimental to you because the Inquisition still gets support to finish old Cory. If you do care, make Gaspard Emperor, or reconcile Celine and Briala, and have both of them rule together.

[Mr.House]

I can say that what you said is complete bull**** This video disproves that:

 

 

You're either lying or didn't do your research which is typical of Gaspard supporters. They'd value personality over goals. It seems Gaspard could be a genocidal pedophile and they'd still support him if he is nicer than Celene which is just another Harrowmont vs Bhelen choice. 

 

As for me, I reconciled Celene and Briala and gladly let him be executed. After he said he wanted war with Ferelden, I knew I could never make him emperor. I wasn't about to stop Corypheus just to make the world worse by putting people like Gaspard in charge, so I let him be executed and considering the good Celene endings require reconciliation with Briala or executing everyone, it seems the devs agree that Celene is the best choice.

Or you know, I made a mistake as I've never seen anyone kill both and still get her full support, but hey be an ass about it. It makes you look soooo much better.

[Mr.House]

Name one Celene's mistake, please? And to make Gaspard negotiate about not attacking Ferelden immediately YOU have to work for it. 

 

Warmonger with Napoleon ambitions and good enough in The Game to play inexperienced rulers like Alistair and Inquisitor is sure a great choice! 

Read TME. It's filled with her mistakes. Civil wars don't happen for no reason, if Gaspard was such a warmonger as his haters paint him to be, the civil war would have happen AGES ago, It did not, it only happen when Celene started making mistakes as we clearly see in TME.

[Dabrikishaw]

Gaspard with Briala executed. One War Table mission later and he and Ferelden are tag-teaming Tevinter.

[Augustei]

Gaspard, of the 3 he is the only one that actually does anything at all to check Tevinter in some way. Plus as a newcomer to the throne he will need my troops to put down his enemies and secure his reign. If my Inquisition is valuable to the Orlesian throne then it is still relevent and still powerful.
Plus although I felt all 3 cantidates were idiots, Gaspard had the most common sense to me. Plus the guy despises "The Game" so thats a plus, doubt he could end it though.
And Gaspard is 70 anyway so if I it doesn't work out he'll be dead in a decade anyway.

Celene I felt was the biggest fool of the 3, I used to have respect for her before reading TME - She came across as somewhat of a genius, how so very wrong I was.
Drags her troops into combat in the streets of Halamshiral, Decides against her plans to marry Cailan because "oh he's already married", Does nothing about the mage/templar conflict at all (Though tbh I didn't like Gaspards plans here either), The way she handled Gaspard/Teagan in the worst way possible, Plus it is evident she is completely controlled by the whims of the court and bends to their will easily.

Briala is far to radical and idealistic, her plans wont end well.. Plus she is alot more self invested than one would initially think.

[The Baconer]

All three working together does not lead to the worst ending for your Inquisitor and the inquisition. It is however bad for Orlais. If anything, the Inquisition could patiently watch until all three have nearly killed each other, maybe have agents exacerbate this, then move the inquisition in under the auspices of stability ( backed by the new Divine) and take the country for itself (possibly as a client state etc). I doubt Bioware would allow for such a story, but that is what I would do.

I'd keep Celena in power while using blackmail to ensure the Inquisition has the authority over the exile/detainment of Gaspard and Briala. That way if Celene no longer appreciates our friendship we have her replacement conveninety on hand. Briala would be convinced to share her knowledge of the Eluvian network.

[Andres Hendrix]

I'd keep Celena in power while using blackmail to ensure the Inquisition has the authority over the exile/detainment of Gaspard and Briala. That way if Celene no longer appreciates our friendship we have her replacement conveninety on hand. Briala would be convinced to share her knowledge of the Eluvian network.

It is too much micromanaging, too many puppets, let them kill each other and then take over. Like how, at the end of the Roman civil war, there was no one left to oppose Octavian.

[Isaidlunch]

Celene and Briala. I would have liked to have chosen Gaspard but I wanted to help the elves and I can't see Briala having free reign over Gaspard turning out well. Breaks my heart to let someone who shares my hate for Ferelden get executed.

[Felene]

Force all three of them to work together.

[EngineerEd]

I chose Gaspard, was tempted to not do so and leave Celene on the throne alone just because I wasn't a fan of watching her be assassinated.

 

That said, I played my Inquisitor as one with only one goal in mind, stopping Corypheus. I didn't care for what happened to Orlais (or Ferelden) much after Corypheus was defeated, in my mind (or rather, in my role-play) I just wanted to make sure I chose the leader who would give me the best shot at killing Corypheus. I realize that no matter what the game won't let you lose based on your decision in Orlais (because that's not how Bioware RPGs are), but my inquisitor didn't know that.So I chose Gaspard, military commander with lots of experience under his belt, has the support of most of the chevaliers.

 

Maybe in future playthroughs I'll be an Elf supporting the Elven cause and choose Briala controlling Gaspard, or maybe I'll role-play as an inquisitor using the lucky circumstance of having the anchor to seize power and try to improve (Southern) Thedas and choose Celene for her progressive/reform based mindset.

 

But really, I don't care all that much since for all that build up nothing really changes. The person you choose may show up with to lead the charge in Arbor Wilds, at which point you can talk to them and they give you one or two lines of dialogue. Then you get a 2 minute talk in the dialogue telling you what happened to Orlais afterwards. However the game isn't affected greatly by the choice, certainly less so than picking Templars vs. Mages (Haven battle is completely different, choice of Divine is restricted based on which you choose, etc.). 

[Angloassassin]

Celene+Briala, using Evidence to Damn Gaspard. 

 

His Coupe ended before it began; Military might be where he's strong - but without the Inquisitor there to play Political "52 Pickup" for Gaspard, he would have only succeeded in getting *Himself* Executed as a traitor when his ploy failed.

 

Then again, we did have the Duchess, who was going to get away with murder; which was harmlessly disarmed by the Giant Qunari making sweeping accusations on the Ballroom floor.

 

As much as my Merc Tal-Vashoth likes someone who knows how to swing their weight, he's quite putt-off by someone who throws it around carelessly. Honestly, *Both* Of his aces get captured? By two different people? Merc Captain in the Garden with the Duchess and the Fade rift. Guard Captain in the Empresses' chambers, with the rope. One hell of a game of clue.

[Catche Jagger]

As for me, I reconciled Celene and Briala and gladly let him be executed. After he said he wanted war with Ferelden, I knew I could never make him emperor. I wasn't about to stop Corypheus just to make the world worse by putting people like Gaspard in charge, so I let him be executed and considering the good Celene endings require reconciliation with Briala or executing everyone, it seems the devs agree that Celene is the best choice.

 

Woah, let's cool down a second. What is leading you to believe that the devs want you to pick Celene and kill Gaspard? There is absolutely no evidence to indicate such a thing. Could I say, one can easily avoid war between Orlais and Ferelden after choosing, therefore the devs wanted us to pick Gaspard? Of course I couldn't. Making such a leap in logic would be completely unreasonable. You are jumping to conclusions to support your own personal beliefs. Chill, bro.

[EngineerEd]

Woah, let's cool down a second. What is leading you to believe that the devs want you to pick Celene and kill Gaspard? There is absolutely no evidence to indicate such a thing. Could I say, one can easily avoid war between Orlais and Ferelden after choosing, therefore the devs wanted us to pick Gaspard? Of course I couldn't. Making such a leap in logic would be completely unreasonable. You are jumping to conclusions to support your own personal beliefs. Chill, bro.

 

Agreed.

 

The devs very clearly put in good and bad endings for pretty much every choice. Even the "good" choices almost always include "for now" or "it's just a matter of time". I think the bottom line was that no matter what leadership in Orlais will always be centered around the game, and once the inquisition is gone almost definitely enemies will start plotting.

[KaiserShep]

Agreed.

 

The devs very clearly put in good and bad endings for pretty much every choice. Even the "good" choices almost always include "for now" or "it's just a matter of time". I think the bottom line was that no matter what leadership in Orlais will always be centered around the game, and once the inquisition is gone almost definitely enemies will start plotting.

 

You'd think people would have expected this after Cullen's comment.

 

Everything in the empire complicates matters. It's the Orlesian national past time.

[Navasha]

Briala is the power behind Gaspard's throne in my first playthrough

[Saricc]

I reunited Celene and Briala. I usually play a Libertarian Inquisitor so this seemed to be the best option. Briala helps bring more freedom/representation to the elves and Celene keep Orlais stable.

[The DM of Thedas]

Gaspard with Briala holding his strings.

[heretica]

Gaspard. He's too smooth. Hahah 

[ElementalFury106]

"All three" which essentially means just Celene. Gaspard and Briala only hold formal positions in court.

[Giantdeathrobot]

Celene because my PC needs stability here, now to fight Coryfish. Gaspard, with his promise to lop heads off, is not bringing that, and Briala is too much of a loose cannon. 

 

Second playthrough Gaspard because my PC hates the Game and a no-nonsense, hard-nosed military leader is exactly what she figures is needed.

 

Personally, I prefer Gaspard, if only because of his ''getting drunk, idgaf'' attitude and because, when fighting a war, you really don't want the scheming backstabber as an ally anyway. Briala just rubs me the wrong way, don't know why. 

[Amirit]

Read TME. It's filled with her mistakes. Civil wars don't happen for no reason, if Gaspard was such a warmonger as his haters paint him to be, the civil war would have happen AGES ago, It did not, it only happen when Celene started making mistakes as we clearly see in TME.

 

But I did read it and this why I am asking you to name one single mistake. I did not see one there nor anywhere in DAI. Please enlighten me.

[The Baconer]

It is too much micromanaging, too many puppets, let them kill each other and then take over. Like how, at the end of the Roman civil war, there was no one left to oppose Octavian.

 

I prefer the puppeteer game over trying to "not-invade" Orlais later. My ambition goes beyond Orlais anyway.