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[sylvanaerie]

I can't find enough hallas to make them play nice together.  My first game I exiled Gaspard, Celene ruled alone.  Not sure what becomes of Briala.  Celene seemed pretty dependent on the Inquisition in that ending.

 

My second game, I found evidence of Celene/Briala having been former lovers.  I didn't like that Gaspard continued to press his war despite his exile (and I pretty much dislike him anyway) so I had him executed, reconciled Briala and Celene and Briala ended up a Marquise and the elves had a voice in their own governing.  I also liked that Celene seemed a more capable ruler in the second option.

 

On my third game now, up to the ball.  Will have to see what I find.  I've been trying to get all 5 hallas, but the whole 'lose approval if you piddle around too long upstairs' thing really makes me rush through.  I doubt I will ever have the 3 way blackmail fodder.

[Satiuqea]

They were all as bad as each other, but ultimately Gaspard ruled in my playthrough with Briala in the background keeping him in check. At least Elves will start to have a better life... shemlins, what are they good for!

 

Celene was all talk and no trousers, just the way she liked her men

 

Gaspard wasn't any better, but at least he let the fighting do his talking. 

[Vox Draco]

When Gaspard immediately came towards me at the beginning at the ball and acted like we were buddies I decided to support Celene...and reunited her with Briala,but that just kinda happened along the way

[ERINII]

I'd also like to add that I wouldn't let Celene get assassinated in any case. It's either all of them or Celene for me. During the mage alliance quest when you get thrown into the future without the Inquisitor, one of the key things that happened was Celene's death. I'm not sure why, but it's a choice that Corypheus favors and I'll have no part of that.

[Myusha123]

Gaspard didn't fully go after the throne for along time, he did because Celene was making too many mistakes, she was becoming a weak ruler. Also for all this talk of wanting war, this would hold water if you know, Gaspard didn't bother to negotiate with Alistair and both coming to terms, nor would he continue to be on good terms with the Inquisition, yet he is.

You really don't like anyone with a dissenting opinion or viewpoint on Gaspard. 
You two would make great friends. 

[SugarBabe49]

I got them to make a 'truce' - I don't care that it gets me the worse ending in the end, they can freaking deal with their own problems, leave my Inquisitor out of it because they have enough problems to deal with than a bunch of squabbling kids.

 

And King Alistair and Queen Cousland can collectively kick their asses whenever their troubles spill over into Ferelden.

 

All three of them as bad as each other and they can stay in Orlais. (This is the only time I completely sympathised with Loghain in Origins.)

 

Of course - if we happen to get the choice of kicking all three of them out and appointing someone else for the throne, I will grab that with no problem.

[Emu8207]

I picked Celene, was disappointed that there was no option to sleep with her.

[Cantina]

Celene (and reunited her with Brialla)

 

Yes, Gaspard was supposed to be Emperor, but Celene managed to out maneuver him. If Gaspard was smart he would have done more to insure he does claim the throne. A woman at just 16 years old who manages to out maneuver her cousin to win the throne from under him deserves respect, admiration and support to keep the throne.

 

Gaspard goes to war because he lost this fight, shows to me two things thing: One, has no idea how to play The Game and Two, the only way he chooses to solve problems is send soldiers.

 

More importantly I looked at the outcome in the future.
 

If someone found out The Inquisition could have prevented Celen’s assassination and thus allowed her to be, that could be damaging to the organization.

 

Sure, I could save The Duchess, but what happens if down the road something happens and she retaliates?

 

The sole purpose of going to that God forsaken ball was to save Celene, not play musical chairs with who should rule Orlais.

[Han Shot First]

how do you get all three to rule? :0 

 

You have to uncover the secrets of all three and confront them all with it. It provides an option to blackmail them into a truce.

 

Despite representing the most successful playing of the Game on your part, it results in the worst outcome for Orlais. They return to scheming against each other once Corypheus is dealt with, and the threat of more war or instability hangs over the kingdom. On the other hand Celene clings to the Inquisition because it is the only thing keeping her in power. So you get to be the power behind the throne in a slightly unstable Orlais.

 

Basically its bad for Orlais, but good for your Inquisitor if you want to go the Chaos is a Ladder route.

[Mr.House]

I'd also like to add that I wouldn't let Celene get assassinated in any case. It's either all of them or Celene for me. During the mage alliance quest when you get thrown into the future without the Inquisitor, one of the key things that happened was Celene's death. I'm not sure why, but it's a choice that Corypheus favors and I'll have no part of that.

While Celenes death is part of it, the other kicker was Gaspard being framed for her death and being arrested thus no one was put on the throne and thus Orlais was in chaos.

 

Gaspard being put on the throne is the last thing Cory wants as he actively hunts Cory and his cult and also focuses on Tevinter with the help of Ferelden.

[Mr.House]

Celene (and reunited her with Brialla)

 

Yes, Gaspard was supposed to be Emperor, but Celene managed to out maneuver him. If Gaspard was smart he would have done more to insure he does claim the throne. A woman at just 16 years old who manages to out maneuver her cousin to win the throne from under him deserves respect, admiration and support to keep the throne.

 

Gaspard goes to war because he lost this fight, shows to me two things thing: One, has no idea how to play The Game and Two, the only way he chooses to solve problems is send soldiers.

 

More importantly I looked at the outcome in the future.
 

If someone found out The Inquisition could have prevented Celen’s assassination and thus allowed her to be, that could be damaging to the organization.

 

Sure, I could save The Duchess, but what happens if down the road something happens and she retaliates?

 

The sole purpose of going to that God forsaken ball was to save Celene, not play musical chairs with who should rule Orlais.

The sole purpose of going to the ball was to stop Orlais plunging into chaos(ala Celene being killed and Gaspard being arrested with no one to ascend) Whatever the Inquisitor does is up to them.

[TheJediSaint]

I chose "All of the above."  Those three deserve each other.

[5ubzer0]

I thought it was political suicide when Gaspard told my Lavellan that elves have no place in politics. Still, I'd rather see him on the throne than Celene who "purged" an alienage.

 

Briala rules through Gaspard in all of my playthroughs. Celene dies.

 

[Han Shot First]

Is there an option to force Celene and Gaspard into a truce, while eliminating Briala?

 

Briala is the one out of three who most needs to disappear.

[xnarcosysx]

Briala with my elven mage
Celene with my status quo pro circle/chantry qunari.
All 3 with my human Rogue

[herkles]

My first character blackmailed them all into working for the inquistion, this character was my pro-chantry Andrastian human rogue(archer). My second character, a dalish mage, placed Briala in charge over gaspard after she heard about Celene purging an elven Alianage.

[StrangeStrategy]

Celene reunited with Briala. Its the only solution that creates a lasting peace (apart from executing Briala) while also improving the lives of Orlesian Elves, who deserve a champion. With this, Celene and Briala (Awww I like them... *ahem*) can rule Orlais and lead it into a brighter future: With education, culture, and equality. Take a look at history: Empires never last, what Gaspard wants he will never be able to sustain.

Apart from that, Gaspard is a war-leader. And I don't want him to attack anywhere, especially not Ferelden... You can do a war-table mission to prevent this... But then what? How would Gaspard unite Orlais? He certainly isn't as adept at court as Celene or Briala. No, he isn't any good. At best, he is a short-term solution... But then again, so is anyone; Celene might not be a chevalier, but she still has an army as large as Gaspard's.

[Cantina]

The sole purpose of going to the ball was to stop Orlais plunging into chaos(ala Celene being killed and Gaspard being arrested with no one to ascend) Whatever the Inquisitor does is up to them.

 

I think I covered that with my comment. The plan was to save Celene. IMO if she had not been save Orlais would have plunged into chaos. Why change the directive of your goal just because a few people disagree with how Celene chooses to rule.

 

But, yes it is up to the Inquisitor, my Inquisitor just decided to keep to the plan and not deviate.

[Mr.House]

I think I covered that with my comment. The plan was to save Celene. IMO if she had not been save Orlais would have plunged into chaos. Why change the directive of your goal just because a few people disagree with how Celene chooses to rule.

 

But, yes it is up to the Inquisitor, my Inquisitor just decided to keep to the plan and not deviate.

Except her goal didn't change. I still stopped Orlais from plunging into chaos and got strong support with an ally my Inquisitor can fully trust. I fulfilled my goals perfectly.

[herkles]

 With this, Celene and Briala (Awww I like them... *ahem*) can rule Orlais and lead it into a brighter future:

Isn't Celene and Briala's relationship horribly abusive and generally crappy?

[Zwingtanz]

On my third game now, up to the ball.  Will have to see what I find.  I've been trying to get all 5 hallas, but the whole 'lose approval if you piddle around too long upstairs' thing really makes me rush through.  I doubt I will ever have the 3 way blackmail fodder.

Meh the drop really isn't that important, the coins and blackmail material and perfect "dance performance" more than make up for it. You can take a bit of time.

[Mr.House]

Isn't Celene and Briala's relationship horribly abusive and generally crappy?

Very unhealthy.

[Fredward]

Isn't Celene and Briala's relationship horribly abusive and generally crappy?

 

It's Orlais, it's supposed to work like that.

 

EDIT:

 

And in my playthrough I put Briala behind the throne cuz it felt the most Game-y and I got a rush and ran up and down yelling I AM THE PUPPETMASTER! Also my Inquisitor was an elf.

[thesuperdarkone2]

I would seriously lol if the Keep wound up only having "Gaspard who invaded Ferelden" as an option. How would all the Gaspard supporters react then?

[Wulfram]

I liked Briala with Gaspard as puppet.  Probably the not the "best" choice in the end, but I find it an interesting story.  And Briala/Celene bugs me.