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[light_bearer]

Honestly, Bioware is so good (or use to be anyway) at putting out amazing RPG's that this game is still a 7 in my opinion, but they were constantly putting out 9's or higher in the past, so I guess I just expected more. 

 

The combat in this game is horrible. There is really no other way to put it. You can't go in depth with the behaviors of your companions, auto pause accomplishes nothing, tactical camera accomplishes nothing, and yet, despite the butchery of tactical combat, you still can't go all in and expect an amazing real time combative experience. The camera and movement just aren't set up to accommodate fast paced real time combat. It was like the developers decided to take the absolute worst characteristics of two different styles of combat and mash it all into a single, terrible combat system.

 

I enjoy games with great real time combat or games with great turn based, tactical combat (BG, DAO, etc) but this game has the worst traits from both styles of combat and none of the enjoyable traits.

 

The role playing is pretty bad too honestly. It's not immersive other than a couple cut scenes, none of the choices you make have any bearing on the state of the game, and the dialogue is lack luster. Granted, the dialogue isn't terrible a lot of the time, but it's certainly nothing to praise.

 

The other terribly annoying thing is how you have to do side quests to gain power, you can't just follow the main story line if you want to. Side quests are no longer optional and you're forced to grind areas for power. If I wanted a grind I'd go play an MMO. Bioware RPG's are supposed to be about role playing.

 

It really sucks to think about how all of the best games came out in the 90's and early 2000's and we'll probably never see anything like them again. Blizzard and Bioware use to rule the world of rpg's -- Blizz had the arpg market on lock down with the Diablos, and Bioware had the rpg market on lock down with the Baldur's Gate franchise, NWN was pretty good too (better than DAI for sure). The first Dragon Age showed amazing potential, but a couple of areas where they could afford to make improvements. Now? Well the first Dragon Age was easily the best of the three, and Bioware hasn't had a game like Baldur's Gate 2 since Baldur's Gate 2. Blizzard completely ruined Diablo, so I guess I should be thankful Bioware hasn't gone that far down hill.

 

I honestly have to force myself to play this game. Back in the day I couldn't wait to play a Bioware game. Even the first Dragon Age had me completely fixated on the story, but this game is something I do every now and then when I'm bored.

 

GG EA, thanks for ruining one of the last great video game developers.

[Benman1964]

Story is good. Quests are okay, no need to do them all. But it still has loads of bugs that need dealt with.

[Bliss]

You don't have to do every side quest. But it's logical that you have to do something to build up reputation and power. You need allies to face the armies of ebil. I've enjoyed a good 95% of it all. It's been a fun ride. As for bugs....well...most games have bugs upon release. This is nothing new. *shrug*

[AlanC9]

If you really want tactical combat, why do you care about the companion AI? Shouldn't you be controlling them all the way?

[light_bearer]

If you really want tactical combat, why do you care about the companion AI? Shouldn't you be controlling them all the way?

I want a game that allows for tactical combat or fast paced real time combat. I never said I was dead set on one or the other and even said I enjoy both. Oh and it doesn't matter if you control them all the time, you obviously haven't tried to actually do that if you think that will solve the combat problems in this game.

[light_bearer]

You don't have to do every side quest. But it's logical that you have to do something to build up reputation and power. You need allies to face the armies of ebil. I've enjoyed a good 95% of it all. It's been a fun ride. As for bugs....well...most games have bugs upon release. This is nothing new. *shrug*

You sound exactly like every other fan boy that posts in every other game thread when a game doesn't live up to the hype. You could have copied and pasted that post and no one would know the difference. You also never addressed any points. You just said, "Meh, I like this game." lol... good for you I guess?

[squidney2k1]

No. Just no.

[Teddie Sage]

Worst game? Nah. Mass Effect was deserves that award in term of gameplay. 

[light_bearer]

Worst game? Nah. Mass Effect was deserves that award in term of gameplay. 

"One of" equals "the worst"?

[Bliss]

You sound exactly like every other fan boy that posts in every other game thread when a game doesn't live up to the hype. You could have copied and pasted that post and no one would know the difference. You also never addressed any points. You just said, "Meh, I like this game." lol... good for you I guess?

 

Yes, and you sound like every other person that has made this thread. It's why I didn't validate it with more of a response. I didn't hit your points because it's nothing new. You aren't saying anything that hasn't been said before. Nothing that someone else hasn't addressed before. Congrats! You don't like part of the game or don't like the game at all. Sad for you.

[SpiritMuse]

I really don't understand what people are talking about when they mention grinding in this game. Isn't "grinding" supposed to be the repetitive doing of the same thing over and over for small reward? See, I haven't seen any of that in this game. There's no need for it. There's plenty of different things to do and just to continue the main story you don't need so much power that you need to grind for it. First time I finished the game I didn't even visit some areas, I needed that little power.

Or maybe I have a different definition of grinding than most.

[Danpen]

I hope this game will be good as i'm getting it soon.

[Teddie Sage]

"One of" equals "the worst"?

I'm just expressing an opinion, don't like it? Ignore it. To me DAI is one of the best games BioWare made while Mass Effect 1 is rock bottom with its lame controls.

[NoForgiveness]

Well, your rather vague points have swayed me to your side.

[northsidelunatic]

I agree man,  this game should have a darker them to it to validate it's M rating ,    the prodcution quality is low music scores don't hit proplerly,  , they should give us the option to kill  npc's character's like in origin's ,   most the metacritic negative review's are genuine Ive dumped 60 hour's in so far  , and  to sum it up it's what one person called a herb  gathering simulator it's obvious consolitis  , pc games  were always more interactive and that's why people like pc games  the decsicion trees' full of one liner's this game is a joke   , nvm all the other issue's with it

[MissDragon]

I hope this game will be good as i'm getting it soon.

 

It is good...the more you play, the better it gets. I love this game, I love rummaging around every zone. Finding things. Such as caves, old ruins, a fortress, a keep...etc.

 

Try it, you'll like it

[Bliss]

Here you go, a point by point break down.

 

-I enjoy the combat. The AI is a little screwy at times, but it's not game breaking. I can get through combat and even have some challenges. Sometimes I let them do what they want, because I usually build my characters to be single playing armies with an entourage. Other times I require micromanaging. Adapt to the situation. Saying it's actually horrible is an exaggeration.

 

-You're not specifying which traits are bad and which ones you wish had returned. I found some of the new and returning traits to be entertaining. How they reworked them was much nicer than either of the first two, in my opinion. Granted I never play warrior, so I can't say entirely if this covers all classes. I do mage with a dash of rogue and enjoyed their trait lines greatly. Assassin and Knight Enchanter are great trait lines that lead to horribly overpowers characters XD I enjoy the fact my companions take note of what classification I have taken. No more blood mage with no one caring about it. Which made 0 sense in the other games.

 

 

-Role playing? Really? I thought they created some really fantastic characters this time around. To the point, I actually entered the fandom of one. Which I have never before done. Characters play off of each other and for once, I even get to add input to some of their banter. That was swell. Not sure how that shows lack of roleplay, since you have more control that their others games. Before the banter went on without you. You just got to listen. The characters also evolve as time goes by. The IB and Dorian bit was tasty and hilarious. They did remove the more "evil" options for dialogue, but story wise it made sense. Having a sinister Herald would have been....odd. Maybe because I enjoy being the typical hero, that loss didn't bother me.

 

-I actually did address the side quests already. Leaving it at that. It's part of the "role-play" which you say the game lacks. You don't have an insta-army. You have to build it up somehow.

 

The rest of your post was name drop game here and there, blah blah blah, EA is evil and is to blame for everything bad in the world even though it's a game publisher and has limited say in content and game build. Can EA push for changes, sure, but I'm not convinced they are to blame for all the "evils" in the game. But please, go on about how EA has ruined all of gaming....I know from experience when one takes that stance there is no changing their mind. I'll just sit and roll my eyes in the corner.

[Zatche]

The AI tactics are unfortunately bad, which is why I rely on pause and play a lot. So, to me, you saying the tac cam doesn't accomplish anything is silly.

I'd rather have better AI scripting, but I am really enjoying the combat, anyway. Enough that I'm 20 hours into a second playthrough, and doing even more side quests this time.

[Maverick827]

I definitely dislike it more than all of the Mass Effect games and I put it on equal footing with DA2.  I haven't played any other BioWare games, so I suppose you could say that makes it "one of the worst" in my opinion (again, from the games I've played), but that language just seems overly harsh.

[light_bearer]

Here you go, a point by point break down.

 

-I enjoy the combat. The AI is a little screwy at times, but it's not game breaking. I can get through combat and even have some challenges. Sometimes I let them do what they want, because I usually build my characters to be single playing armies with an entourage. Other times I require micromanaging. Adapt to the situation. Saying it's actually horrible is an exaggeration.

 

-You're not specifying which traits are bad and which ones you wish had returned. I found some of the new and returning traits to be entertaining. How they reworked them was much nicer than either of the first two, in my opinion. Granted I never play warrior, so I can't say entirely if this covers all classes. I do mage with a dash of rogue and enjoyed their trait lines greatly. Assassin and Knight Enchanter are great trait lines that lead to horribly overpowers characters XD I enjoy the fact my companions take note of what classification I have taken. No more blood mage with no one caring about it. Which made 0 sense in the other games.

 

 

-Role playing? Really? I thought they created some really fantastic characters this time around. To the point, I actually entered the fandom of one. Which I have never before done. Characters play off of each other and for once, I even get to add input to some of their banter. That was swell. Not sure how that shows lack of roleplay, since you have more control that their others games. Before the banter went on without you. You just got to listen. The characters also evolve as time goes by. The IB and Dorian bit was tasty and hilarious. They did remove the more "evil" options for dialogue, but story wise it made sense. Having a sinister Herald would have been....odd. Maybe because I enjoy being the typical hero, that loss didn't bother me.

 

-I actually did address the side quests already. Leaving it at that. It's part of the "role-play" which you say the game lacks. You don't have an insta-army. You have to build it up somehow.

 

The rest of your post was name drop game here and there, blah blah blah, EA is evil and is to blame for everything bad in the world even though it's a game publisher and has limited say in content and game build. Can EA push for changes, sure, but I'm not convinced they are to blame for all the "evils" in the game. But please, go on about how EA has ruined all of gaming....I know from experience when one takes that stance there is no changing their mind. I'll just sit and roll my eyes in the corner.

Nothing you said contradicts what I said. You may as well have refrained from posting altogether. You keep naming things you enjoy and truly it's awesome that you are enjoying this game. What I don't understand is why you're in this thread if you don't have points that contradict mine. You just go around in every thread talking about how much you love this game?

 

I guess you had a couple of vague contradictions, but really your basis for argument is, "I enjoy some of the things that you said are worse than past games." which is quite meaningless.

[light_bearer]

The AI tactics are unfortunately bad, which is why I rely on pause and play a lot. So, to me, you saying the tac cam doesn't accomplish anything is silly.

I'd rather have better AI scripting, but I am really enjoying the combat, anyway. Enough that I'm 20 hours into a second playthrough, and doing even more side quests this time.

What does tac cam accomplish over simply pausing and switching characters periodically? Tac cam is actually worse at times because the AI is just that bad. You can't have a rogue use their skills properly without taking control of the character, stealthing, walking up behind the enemy, then carrying out your combo one step at a time. If you just go into tac cam and have them walk up and attack, they won't utilize any of the damage modifiers or attack from the back or do anything right at all. Tac cam is garbage.

[light_bearer]

I definitely dislike it more than all of the Mass Effect games and I put it on equal footing with DA2.  I haven't played any other BioWare games, so I suppose you could say that makes it "one of the worst" in my opinion (again, from the games I've played), but that language just seems overly harsh.

Maybe I am being overly harsh, but BG 2 is generally regarded as the greatest RPG ever created (Planescape Torment is the only other game people will say could be potentially better) and this is the company that made BG. They billed DA as the spiritual predecessor to BG before it was released and the first one showed that it could actually end up being that way. But every DA released after the first has been worse than the last. The last DA actually had developers out right coming out and telling the community that they were rushed by EA and couldn't finish the game, so they were forced to release an unfinished product. When developers apologize for releasing a game, something is very wrong.

[xrayspex73]

You lost me when you said NWN was better than DAI. Rosecolor much?

 

NWN's campaign was boring and devoid of any soul whatsoever. 

[massive_effect]

I agree with the OP. There is nothing innovative at all. Then you have the fugly characters with predictable dialogue. This game failed my already low expectations (I never liked this series, but was duped by the inexplicable high review scores).

[light_bearer]

You lost me when you said NWN was better than DAI. Rosecolor much?

 

NWN's campaign was boring and devoid of any soul whatsoever. 

In your opinion, but it's regularly included in "Great RPG's of all time" lists and Hordes of the Underdark was an amazing game. It was easily better than this game.