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[northsidelunatic]

I disagree. With NPCs you often get to be rude. I'm not sure what you want. Like to be belligerent to the randoms in zone quests?

lmao as drone like as the npc's in this game are,    sometime's  I wish you could just throw a ativan fire at them at watch them  running around screaming on fire, would do a lot for the entertainment  value of this game,   the time  I KIcked down dwyn's door , in DA:O  killed him and took his sword is  a example of thing's you cant do in this game, at least I haven't run across anything similiar, and It was a  neat game mechanic not to mention the doomsayer I disposed of, so when I say the npc's in this game act like thier all on valium with the big hole in the sky and civil war going on  it really seem's that way, the world is so disconnected from the plot it's not even funny,I wont even touch this pile of rubbish of a game till they at least patch it up

[Draining Dragon]

Definitely in the top 5 worst games.

To those who disagree, I challenge you to provide five Bioware games that are worse than this.

Also remember that Bioware's worst is still pretty impressive... with the exception of the Neverwinter Nights OC.

[In Exile]

Definitely in the top 5 worst games.

To those who disagree, I challenge you to provide five Bioware games that are worse than this.

Also remember that Bioware's worst is still pretty impressive... with the exception of the Neverwinter Nights OC.

I'll play. DA2. NWN. JE. ME1. That's four, IMO, that easily make it.

I would also add in ME2 and ME3, as well as BG1.

I think DAI is on par with DAO and KoTOR, and all of them are behind BG2.

[Draining Dragon]

I'll play. DA2. NWN. JE. ME1. That's four, IMO, that easily make it.

I would also add in ME2 and ME3, as well as BG1.

I think DAI is on par with DAO and KoTOR, and all of them are behind BG2.

Wait, Jade Empire? The entire Mass Effect franchise? Bad?

How much red lyrium did you snort before you made this list?

[In Exile]

Are you high? I also played them. It was nothing like that, unless you just powergamed, which you could argue for any game that came out since ever. BG1, since you know, the most powerful spell could be resisted, or fail it's saving throw and be wasted, and also the same thing for CC. Sure, you could just silence the powerful mage in the next room but other than save-scumming, you were rolling the dice, and he could just turn around and fireball/poison/confuse your entire party.

A fair comparison to make then would be the abuse rest to running away in DA:I while the dragon you've been beating on leashes with it's health not regenerating.

If we're talking tactics, we're talking power gaming and optimal ability use. Intentionally choosing crap abilities, creating subotpimal builds and using abilities in inefficient or sub optimal ways is not tactics. It's certainly build freedom and I agree that you were allowed lots more **** builds in DAO and BG1 but whether that has value is a huge YMMV.

Tactics, however, are about the high level challenge and function when you're playing right. It's insane to say that a game allowed tactical play on the basis of suboptimal builds. In DAI you could come up with **** builds too and struggle mightly through encounters. That doesn't make the game tactical.

There was an RGN as to spell effects in BG but that's why you used abilities like spell breach and others to strip away immunities and resistances and doubled up on spells.

I'm not sure what point you're making about the RGN and how that ties in with tactics at all.

[In Exile]

And player characterization and class build freedom.

Absolutely not on the former. DAO was as restrictive as DA2. The only difference was the mental fantasy that actively contradicted the plot and origins that some gamers felt more comfortable inventing with silent PC.

DAO had more ability choices, but there wasn't more freedom to build, at least if you're talking about useful builds. So in that sense it had more build freedom but it's not a meaningful standard.

You had lots of permutations of crap builds, but IMO it's ridiculous to call that a feature.

[MadDemiurg]

While I do agree that D&D combat system (and hence NWN and BG combat systems) is flawed in many ways I honestly don't see how DA:I is better. D&D at least allowed you to be more creative because abilities did not revolve around deal x of y damage type.

[The_Shade]

It's not the worst Bioware game ever. Sonic Brotherhood has earned that ignominious title.  

 

[In Exile]

Wait, Jade Empire? The entire Mass Effect franchise? Bad?

How much red lyrium did you snort before you made this list?

I never said they were bad. I said they were worse than DAI. Which is saying that I think DAI is better. The ME series (and JE) are some of my favourite games.

Remember: X is worse than Y is just another way of saying Y is better than X. Neither is equivalent to saying Y is bad or X is bad.

For example:

Tom Brady is better than Peyton Manning. Peyton Manning is worse than Tom Brady.

[In Exile]

While I do agree that D&D combat system (and hence NWN and BG combat systems) is flawed in many ways I honestly don't see how DA:I is better. D&D at least allowed you to be more creative because abilities did not revolve around deal x of y damage type.

I don't think DAI is better. Whether you like it more or less depends on a bunch of factors like e.g. whether you like playing controller mages, which don't exist in DAI.

[light_bearer]

See, I actually played BG1 and NWN. And to say they were tactical is a joke. They all revolved around exploiting about 10-25 mage spells and 10-20 cleric spells. That was it. That's the entire tactical system. Beyond that, you got into overlapping use of buffs, debuffs and controller-type CC.

Fighter's and rogues (and their kits) were auto-attack machines that only existed and added value if you didn't abuse rest to constantly replenish your spells.

I have to disagree. I played every RPG Bioware has ever released and the BG series as well as the NWN series had more enjoyable and varied combat systems. Simply building your characters dictated how the combat would unfold. Not only that, but your decisions in the game (not including combat) were GREATLY affected by your characters build. You could dual class a combat oriented class with a thief, steal tons of goods right from the beginning, sell them back to vendors, and have a huge jump on the game, yet still deal a large amount of damage, but not as large as a pure combat class.

 

You could also build a character that didn't even need to fight and would just talk his way out of situations and inspire others to fight for him, or just turn enemies into his allies. The depth to those games as far as customizable stats and how they would affect game play was pretty amazing. Simply put, DAI is just far more simple. 

 

Even sticking strictly to combat, you could build a massive amount of different types of classes that all played differently.

 

I should also say that I do really like a few things about this game. The itemization and crafting are both really good in my opinion. The overall vibe of the game is great. Like I said earlier, it's a solid 7 in my opinion, it's just not what I would expect from Bioware who use to put out 9's or higher consistently. 

 

And I never said DAI is the worst game they've made, just one of. Probably one of 3 or 4.

[Razir-Samus]

I never said they were bad. I said they were worse than DAI. Which is saying that I think DAI is better. The ME series (and JE) are some of my favourite games.

Remember: X is worse than Y is just another way of saying Y is better than X. Neither is equivalent to saying Y is bad or X is bad.

For example:

Tom Brady is better than Peyton Manning. Peyton Manning is worse than Tom Brady.

what are you basing your conclusions on, if i may ask...

 

in the same position i would say that a game is better than another if it can hold my attention without being frustratingly annoying and often causes me to quit because of a handful of minor issues that add up and cripple my experience with the game

 

i admit there are some good features(?) of DA:I, but coming from DA:O and DA2 i just can't see it as a good game, given that it was titled dragon age, whether it's the design choices or some glaring technical issues the frostbite engine has (that i've seen in BF3 and BF4 too... hell, even the multiplayer rubberbanding [if that's even the correct term] is reminiscent of the prediction software used in both these battlefield's multiplayer modes), there's just so much in the way of me simply enjoying the game, and i did really try to enjoy it but i simply couldn't, and so i gave up playing it

[Reymoose]

what are you basing your conclusions on, if i may ask...

 

in the same position i would say that a game is better than another if it can hold my attention without being frustratingly annoying and often causes me to quit because of a handful of minor issues that add up and cripple my experience with the game

 

i admit there are some good features(?) of DA:I, but coming from DA:O and DA2 i just can't see it as a good game, given that it was titled dragon age, whether it's the design choices or some glaring technical issues the frostbite engine has (that i've seen in BF3 and BF4 too... hell, even the multiplayer rubberbanding [if that's even the correct term] is reminiscent of the prediction software used in both these battlefield's multiplayer modes), there's just so much in the way of me simply enjoying the game, and i did really try to enjoy it but i simply couldn't, and so i gave up playing it

 

I've come to the conclusion he's either a troll or massively deluded. I mean rating the original Baldur's Gate as among Bioware's worst games without considering it was their second game and breakthrough at that is simply mind blowing. It's like no game exists in a vacuum but DA:I.

 

Of course when you have a quota of 200 posts a day, I guess you have to lose some sensibility here or there.

 

I'm a developer myself, albeit an environment artist, and Frostbite 3 is a terrible engine honestly, you pigeonhole yourself into a bunch of corners with regards to model interaction and lighting at times being wonky. Unreal 4 and well, any in-house proprietary engine performs much better and best of all, you're free to release SDK to allow modders to work with your game.

 

You should hold it as a general rule that any engine that isn't easily moddable or needs to be 'protected' as Frostbite 3 is, it's not worth the development hassle. My guess is some back channel deal that EA/Dice made pretty much nailed all of their studios being locked into it.

[light_bearer]

Calling DAI better than the game that is universally regarded as the greatest RPG of all time is just ridiculous. No point in even conversing with that guy. He'd probably claim that Diablo 3 is the best in the series too.

[Elhanan]

The NWN1 OC was tainted by Atari interference, if I recall correctly. What we received was a shadow of what could have been. It took me several months of an/ off play to complete the game, and I have yet to repeat the OC. That said, I enjoyed HotU many times, the mods, the PW's, and campaigns this game made possible. Still my fave game of the new century.

Not a fan of ME2; only played it a single time. A great story and characters; not a fan of the chosen mechanics and included profanity.

DA2 was an enjoyable game for me, and have played it several times. However, it was rushed and seemed to lack the polish of DAO.

DAI is better than these games for me; only another opinion.

[DaemionMoadrin]

This is the second time you mention profanity... I can't remember any game being that bad. You do know that those games are 18+, right?

[tmp7704]

Calling DAI better than the game that is universally regarded as the greatest RPG of all time is just ridiculous.

Which of the games he's listed is supposed to be that universally greatest RPG of all time? DA2, NWN, JE, ME1? ME2? ME3? BG1?

Because I have yet to see someone saying such things about any of these titles, let alone universally. Usually people ****** themselves silly over Planescape but other than that it's a ffa.

Also, like In Exile says, the challenge posed was to name 5 BioWare games one considered worse than DAI. That's all he did. It really really doesn't equal these games are somehow objectively bad.

[Elhanan]

This is the second time you mention profanity... I can't remember any game being that bad. You do know that those games are 18+, right?

 

Maturity has little to do with age; some of the most immature posters are adults on youtube forums.

 

Profanity is my top peeve with entertainment; attempt to avoid it as possible. After ME2, I waited a long time before getting ME3, and that was because some friends including CP from Bioware informed me on which characters to avoid the usage. Now again in DAI, Freddie Prinze Jr sits on a bench for the duration; same with Blackwall.

 

I had my fill of it in the military, and do not need to hear it in games, esp when it break the lore of cursing as read in the game itself.

[light_bearer]

Maturity has little to do with age; some of the most immature posters are adults on youtube forums.

 

Profanity is my top peeve with entertainment; attempt to avoid it as possible. After ME2, I waited a long time before getting ME3, and that was because some friends including CP from Bioware informed me on which characters to avoid the usage. Now again in DAI, Freddie Prinze Jr sits on a bench for the duration; same with Blackwall.

 

I had my fill of it in the military, and do not need to hear it in games, esp when it break the lore of cursing as read in the game itself.

Lol! That's pretty hilarious honestly. You must avoid 99.9% of the real world. I seriously doubt you're ex military if you have an aversion to profanity. I also question your maturity if you allow simple terminology to dictate how you feel about a situation.

[light_bearer]

Which of the games he's listed is supposed to be that universally greatest RPG of all time? DA2, NWN, JE, ME1? ME2? ME3? BG1?

Because I have yet to see someone saying such things about any of these titles, let alone universally. Usually people ****** themselves silly over Planescape but other than that it's a ffa.

Also, like In Exile says, the challenge posed was to name 5 BioWare games one considered worse than DAI. That's all he did. It really really doesn't equal these games are somehow objectively bad.

So you're going to leave out BG2? BG2 was mentioned as well. Oh and I clearly stated in a previous post that Planescape Torment and BG2 are always the top two mentioned when talking about the RPG GOAT. BG2 is basically interchangeable with PT on most lists and most authors of those lists put it that way too.

[b10d1v]

If you really want tactical combat, why do you care about the companion AI? Shouldn't you be controlling them all the way?

With a powerful behavior model micromanagement is stone age and not necessary, the NPCs are "told" how to behave and do so.  More progressive models allow NPCs to behave independently of the main character and perform complex skills.  But the problem in DAI is the control hardware can be unreliable at random intervals and this makes the tactical system nearly useless on the PC w/mouse.

[b10d1v]

You are dead on, beyond the hype and the glitter of frostbite is a terribly unstable platform.  

 

First two weeks it was hard to deal with and had bugs a plenty like some ill gotten MMO, then a period of calm, but after the last patch Dragon age inquisition simply does not function, any stability improvements fell through the cracks -apparently overwritten.  

 

I've learned more about game instability than I ever imagined, so I can forgive some of the little surprises Frostbite introduces to achieve those fantastic living worlds.

Serious issues persist:

1. Bad Directx calls crash your hardware
2. Unreliable hardware calls cause spotty performance issues and can lock up your system
3. Quest instability- can lock up your game or crash it
4. Missing quest deliverables and NPCs can occur at random
5. Broken quests several do not work
6. several pointer issues distort the temporal performance The "when" of things is important to an RPG.

I have not even touched the incomplete areas:

1. Crafting
2. Textures
3. Behavior models
4. Story continuity ....

There is no way this game deserves any award in it's current state, not even a passing grade.

[Elhanan]

Lol! That's pretty hilarious honestly. You must avoid 99.9% of the real world. I seriously doubt you're ex military if you have an aversion to profanity. I also question your maturity if you allow simple terminology to dictate how you feel about a situation.

 

I do avoid the world, though my health is a main factor there. But within the realm of my own apt, I try and restrict the content of what comes in for perusal. And glad I can amuse, as I will try and avoid folks like yourself and the remaining so-called 'Real World' for as long as possible. Too much intolerance of other's beliefs....

[Kierro Ren]

I agree. This is the worst post ever... Wait, what? They mean DA:I? Oh, oh then I mean DA:I's the ****ing BOMB!

[In Exile]

So you're going to leave out BG2? BG2 was mentioned as well. Oh and I clearly stated in a previous post that Planescape Torment and BG2 are always the top two mentioned when talking about the RPG GOAT. BG2 is basically interchangeable with PT on most lists and most authors of those lists put it that way too.

I did mention BG2. As the greatest RPG that Bioware made, superior to DAO, DAO and KoTOR, which I consider on a comparable scale because each is great at a different area that in BG2 was done simpler (but better).

So frankly I don't know what you're on about in your post.