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The initial search for an Inquisitor; why the Hero of Ferelden?


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Cassandra basically established that the reason they were searching for Hawke and the Hero was because they needed an Inquisitor. I realize why we need an Inquisitor now, but there wasn't any Corypheus trying to pull a Light Yagami back when they were looking for them. So what was the reason? Cassandra said in DA2 that they needed Hawke to end the war, so is that why? Still doesn't explain why they needed an Inquisitor. Hawke is certainly relevant, since this whole thing can be blamed on him/her (that's a matter for debate, but Hawke has become a symbol). But if not Hawke, then why on earth the Hero of Ferelden?

I can think of several reasons the Hero would be a bad choice:

  • Race, class, or where s/he is from. In the case of the dwarves, well, they don't have mages, so they're not exactly great consultants on this issue. Nobody likes elves, and Dalish elves would especially have a very vague perspective of what's going on. A mage Warden is a mage, and people might claim that this is a potential bias, and the human noble is from Ferelden, a country known for being Orlais b**** for Idontknowhowmany years, as well as being home to a bunch of dog lords.
  • S/he's a Warden. There's no Blight going on here. Warden's are trained to do one thing, and that's stop Blight's. Sure s/he stopped the civil war going on in Ferelden, but this was simply a means to an end. Not only that, but s/he isn't even the highest of his/her ranking. Oh, and if s/he let the Architect live? YOU HAD ONE JOB, WARDEN. ONE. JOB. Also, IIRC, Wardens are NOT allowed to get involved in politics. I doubt there's an exception for big conflicts, seeing as Kirkwall was getting massacred by the Qunari and yet the Wardens who come through say, Sorry, not allowed to get involved. Warden oaths and all.
  • There are other heroes. The Hero of Ferelden, the Hero of Orlais, the Champion of Kirkwall. I'm guessing there are probably some more heroes out there for consideration.
  • S/he might have "killed" Leliana. Or tried to, at least. In that case, why the hell are we looking for his/her help? Did that shield bash hit you on the head a little too hard, Nightingale?
  • Leliana might not have even known him/her. One could argue that Leliana knew the Warden and what s/he was capable of, but if she was never recruited then she has no personal knowledge.
  • S/he might be a dick. WHY would we want the help of a complete *******? Decisions like letting the people of Amaranthine die and killing Caradin might seem bad, but they were done with good intent: sacrificing for the greater good. Defiling the Sacred Ashes for some vague, personal power? Well then you're just a dick, dude.
  • It's been years. Why are we probably not choosing the Hero of Orlais? Because it's been 19 or so years since she's done anything. It's been 10 years since the Hero of Ferelden has done anything. Not to mention that s/he disappeared at LEAST a few years ago, so why are we wasting our time looking for a ghost?

So these are my main two queries: why the original need for an Inquisitor, and why the hell have the Hero of Ferelden be a candidate?

 

 

EDIT: How is this a pro-Cassandra thread? I mention Cassandra ONCE.


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I like to think of it like it's the Thedas Avengers Initiative or something, tbh. 

 

They need badasses, the Warden qualifies. 


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Cassandra basically established that the reason they were searching for Hawke and the Hero was because they needed an Inquisitor. I realize why we need an Inquisitor now, but there wasn't any Corypheus trying to pull a Light Yagami back when they were looking for them. So what was the reason? Cassandra said in DA2 that they needed Hawke to end the war, so is that why? Still doesn't explain why they needed an Inquisitor. Hawke is certainly relevant, since this whole thing can be blamed on him/her (that's a matter for debate, but Hawke has become a symbol). But if not Hawke, then why on earth the Hero of Ferelden?

I can think of several reasons the Hero would be a bad choice:

  • Species, class, or where s/he is from. In the case of the dwarves, well, they don't have mages, so they're not exactly great consultants on this issue. Nobody likes elves, and Dalish elves would especially have a very vague perspective of what's going on. A mage Warden is a mage, and people might claim that this is a potential bias, and the human noble is from Ferelden, a country known for being Orlais b**** for Idontknowhowmany years, as well as being home to a bunch of dog lords.
  • S/he's a Warden. There's no Blight going on here. Warden's are trained to do one thing, and that's stop Blight's. Sure s/he stopped the civil war going on in Ferelden, but this was simply a means to an end. Not only that, but s/he isn't even the highest of his/her ranking. Oh, and if s/he let the Architect live? YOU HAD ONE JOB, WARDEN. ONE. JOB.
  • There are other heroes. The Hero of Ferelden, the Hero of Orlais, the Champion of Kirkwall. I'm guessing there are probably some more heroes out there for consideration.
  • People might question his/her heroics. Let's not forget that the there are people who don't even believe that the Fifth Blight ever happened since it was so short that it didn't even have time to spread that far.
  • S/he might have "killed" Leliana. Or tried to, at least. In that case, why the hell are we looking for his/her help? Did that shield bash hit you on the head a little too hard, Nightingale?
  • Leliana might not have even known him/her. One could argue that Leliana knew the Warden and what s/he was capable of, but if she was never recruited then she has no personal knowledge.
  • S/he might be a dick. WHY would we want the help of a complete *******? Decisions like letting the people of Amaranthine die and killing Caradin might seem bad, but they were done with good intent: sacrificing for the greater good. Defiling the Sacred Ashes for some vague, personal power? Well then you're just a dick, dude.

So these are my main two queries. Why the original need for an Inquisitor, and why the hell have the Hero of Ferelden be a candidate?

 

The HoF has the same rank as Duncan as of Awakening he/she becomes Commander of the Grey for Ferelden.  Pretty much the only person over him/her would be the First Warden at Weisshaupt.  


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Not to mention the potential conflicts that might arise from them being a Grey Warden even if they did have experience from being Warden-Commander.

 

In my opinion, it made more sense if it was directed towards the fans than if the characters were considering it to be honest.



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The HoF has the same rank as Duncan as of Awakening he/she becomes Commander of the Grey for Ferelden.  Pretty much the only person over him/her would be the First Warden at Weisshaupt.  

Granted, but that still leaves us with all the other points I made.



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1. We have a Hero of Orlais??

 

As to why they were needing an Inquizzy before Corypheus was revealed (or even the destruction of the Conclave). It was mentioned (I think by Leliana) that the start of the Inquisition was ALWAYS Justinia's original objective if the mages and Templars didn't come to a peace at the Conclave. Justinia didn't really believe there would be a peace, and if that ended up being the case she would form the Inquisition right then. But then everything blew up and well... yea.

 

As to why they would want either the Hero or Hawke. No matter personal feelings on them, if they got the job done it didn't matter (you can make your Inquizzy into a complete d**k and no one really cares, why should it be any different for Hawke or the Hero?). Both were believed to have close enough relations (respect?) with mages or Templars (all depending on choices made in DAO and DA2). Justinia, Leliana and Cassandra all believed that Hawke and the Hero would maybe have enough influence to maybe bring the two factions to peace. And if that didn't happen, it goes back to my statement above


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Does the game accept it if you didn't recruit Leliana? I could be wrong, but I think the "canon" version is that they did regardless of your choices in Origins, much like her continued existence.

At any rate, The Warden is incredibly capable, having resolved the civil war in Fereldan, the civil war in Orzammar (one of these being a war between a group of people from an entirely different race/culture, actually both if you were a Dalish Elf), resolved the conflict between the elves and werewolves, resolved a mage rebellion in Broken Circle one way or another, stopped the blight, the mini-blight in Amaranthine or whatever, basically succeeded in rallying all types of people who hated each other for a common cause, and that's just the bare minimum. Need I say more?


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Because having a guy/woman with a higher body count than some plagues on hand is a powerful motivational force in making people bend the knee.
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Fame

 

Doesn't matter if you were an good warden or a bad one almost every censor in thedas knows who the hero of ferelden and either respect or fears you. At the start of the game people don't know what to think about the inquisition "who the hell are these guys" but if an respected/feared hero was leading it people would have rallied behind it at the start..


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Because why not? 


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1. We have a Hero of Orlais??

Yes. Cassandra. She saved the world. Watch Dragon Age: Dawn of the Seeker Dragon Age: Bloodmage no Seishen for what happened. It also gives more background/context on her first and only love, Regalyan, who is mentioned several times. It's a great movie, IMO.



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Granted, but that still leaves us with all the other points I made.

 

Yeah, I should of edited the quote but I'm on my tablet while making cookies for tomorrow.  It's all fair points.  I don't think the HoF would've made sense as the Inquisitor as much as Hawke would've.  (However, if they still made Hawke get the mark in the same way it would've been pretty unbelievable.)  The HoF would of been a pretty cool advisor/lesison to Ferelden for the Inquisiton.   


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Fame and killing people. Again, that goes hand in hand with the hero thing. There are other famous heroes who've killed the bad guys. Hell, Cassandra single-handedly killed a DRAGON.



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First of all they needed a Leader and regardless of your choices you still are. Secondly the warden isn't tied to one thing as you saw in inquisition it doesn't matter what you are they need your help.

but I can see in my way that it is understandable why they would want my HoF.

pretty much a good guy, leliana knows that my warden is a good and natural leader and has experience with dealing with national emergencies, also famous, a national icon for ferelden. had dealings with the ferelden circle of magi, so he knows how to handle the situation with the mages and Templars.
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Fame and killing people. Again, that goes hand in hand with the hero thing. There are other famous heroes who've killed the bad guys. Hell, Cassandra single-handedly killed a DRAGON.


but not a archdemon, the most powerful and evil creature ever existed.
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but not a archdemon, the most powerful and evil creature ever existed.

With the help of several other people, multiple trebuchets, a year of planning, the advantage of being connected and having a better sense of how it works, et cetera.


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With the help of several other people, multiple trebuchets, a year of planning, the advantage of being connected and having a better sense of how it works, et cetera.


still

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Though Cassandra does make some misjudgements and miscalculations in the game. Her decision making process isn't perfect (especially when you know her, shall we say, 'emotional history'), so it seems consistent that she'd want the Hero, even if that was the 'wrong' choice. 



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I think really they just had a list of people who qualified. The champion of kirkwall and hero of ferelden were probably the first 2. Going by a list of achievements, I think they're generally safe bets.
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but not a archdemon, the most powerful and evil creature ever existed.

How is it the most powerful creature in Thedas? Source? As far as I understand it an archdemon is just a powerful sentinent Dragon that lashes out at everything living in pure pain and madness from being tainted. Plus it can die.


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The Archdemon was powerful, yes, but considering the ease with which Riordan was able to harm it with just his swords I would not call it the most powerful to ever exist. Its danger lied mostly in its ability to hop from one host to another and the fact that it surrounded itself by a horde.


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Early on, there is a scene in DAI where Cassandra pulls out a tome, a directive from the Divine, that basically states that she was planning an Inquisition if the peace talks at the Temple of Sacred Ashes didn't work. They sought the HOF because he/her is a Badass.


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The Warden hasn't really done anything in 10 years, though. So he might be an odd choice.

 

Not possible to use the warden in this game anyway. He\she could be a dual-wielding warrior, and the game engine doesn't allow that.



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1. We have a Hero of Orlais??

 

 

That would be Good Seeker Cassandra who amongst other things killed several dragons including one hit killing a dragon with a dagger, killing a high dragon to save the divine and jumping off a wall and ramming her sword into the pride demon that the blood mage leader Fredric turned himself into.

 

Of course as she notes that was decades ago which is the same issue with the warden their heroics that made them famous, both happened decades before the events in Inquisition.



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Early on, there is a scene in DAI where Cassandra pulls out a tome, a directive from the Divine, that basically states that she was planning an Inquisition if the peace talks at the Temple of Sacred Ashes didn't work. They sought the HOF because he/her is a Badass.

But they were searching for an Inquisitor (i.e. Hawke/Hero of Ferelden) at LEAST a year BEFORE Inquisition/the Conclave.