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[Tentacles]

 

 

 

One dead high dragon? That's nice. The Warden's potentially brought down five of them. ("Andraste", Flemeth, Archdemon, Queen of the Blackmarsh, and that one in the Dragonbone Wastes) Not alone, sure, but the Archdemon and the Queen of the Blackmarsh were both more powerful than an ordinary high dragon. On top of that, the Warden's fought Armored Ogre Alphas, Broodmothers, a Harvester, Pride Demons, all manner of human foes, every flavor of golems, including one that was taller than an ogre and ON FIRE, and a Varterral. This level of pure badassery is hard to find.

 

Also, I was going to explain the Warden's extensive political resume, but Bethgael covered that well.

 

The Warden also took down entire hordes of darkspawn, discovered a new breed of darkspawn so vile its own kind feared it, only to drive it to extinction, and potentially killed the architect, a creature that rivals Corypheus in both magical talent and intellect.

[Bethgael]

Yeah, but in Bioware's head cannon, the est path, the Hero of Fereldan sacrificed herself to kill the archdemon, so I'm sure HoF Quizzy was off the table. It would be nice to see my HoF, Hawke, or Quizzy get together in DLC or DA4. 

Personally, in my head cannon, my hero stopped the blight, dark ritual, warden commander, killed the Architect, killed Flemeth, was besties with Morrigan, romanced Zev, won land for the Dalish  (I liked to think my Hero convinced her clan to travel back to Fereldan after the events at Kirkwall, including Merill, and they were living in the Dalish land in the Hinterlands.) I got many ties to the continent/country. See, having the HoF being Quizzy would be no problem for me, but I know for most people it would be. 

I love the Darkspawn Chronicle/ Hero of Fereldan Chronicle idea. It might sell more than the original DAI.

That's Gaider's canon, yes--and only a Dalish Warden in his canon.

However, at the end of DA2, even with a dead Dalish import (default canon) or a dead Warden (HoF) import (which in my case was co-incidentally my Dalish female), Leliana still says they looked for "The Warden" first at the end. In this case, it's intended to be the Warden who is sent from Orlais to Amaranthine as the new Ferelden W-C [for Awakening]. (theories state it could also refer to Alistair or Loghain if they lived but since you referred to canon, in Gaider's canon, Alistair is King and Loghain is dead, so no).

However, the Orlesian Ferelden W-C does everything in Amaranthine that your Warden would do: kills or handles the Architect/Broodmothers, saves Amaranthine (and/or the Keep), builds the Order in Ferelden (even with the hamstring of being an Orlesian), and manages to end the darkspawn threat in Northern Ferelden while keeping a good relationship with the new King, being the Arl/essa of Amaranthine and possibly keeping Nathaniel Howe alive (which, in turn, keeps Fergus Cousland alive). And that's on top of whatever they've already done in Orlais (it's unclear/not stated, but obviously the Orlesian Ferelden W-C thinks they are diplomatic enough to try it, even with the strained relations between Ferelden and Orlais).

Still more experience than Hawke.

ETA: With Alistair as King, in his King Alistair cameo (as in Gaider canon, Ali is, of course, KoF), he says to Hawke that the only thing he wants Hawke to do is to "look after Kirkwall" because things are a bit rough between Ferelden and Orlais (which implies that he doesn't want any further ruckus there, either) and there are still lots of Fereldens in Kirkwall. Of course, if you play MoA DLC, Hawke goes to Orlais and kills Prosper (usually), making relations that much more difficult, and then comes back and has the Chantry blow up because Hawke couldn't rein in either Meredith or Anders. I always think of King Alistair back in Denerim doublefacepalming and saying, "dammit, Hawke, I asked you to do one thing..."

[Elfyoth]

Cassandra is the hero of orlais....

[berrieh]

Yes. Cassandra. She saved the world. Watch Dragon Age: Dawn of the Seeker / Dragon Age: Bloodmage no Seishen for what happened. It also gives more background/context on her first and only love, Regalyan, who is mentioned several times. It's a great movie, IMO.

 

Well, Cassandra doesn't want it to be Cassandra - it's pretty clear she feels ill-suited for the gig and doesn't want it. If she did, she'd just be the Inquisitor. I think she's actually afraid at points it will fall to her by default. 

 

I agree Hawke makes more sense than the HoF, but I think the HoF is a fairly unifying figure in many cases (if the HoF fought Leliana, and Leliana hates him/her, I agree it makes a LOT less sense). And anyone who is a unifying, heroic figure was probably considered for the gig. 

 

This whole Wardens can't get involved in political stuff, while true in theory, is not accurate. In The Last Flight, the Wardens did some political things. The HoF herself/himself did some political stuff in DAO and DAA. The First Warden at Weisshapt practically runs the region of the Anderfells, politically, and other Wardens there are taking in mages and templars alike without making them Wardens.  Wardens shouldn't get involved in politics maybe, but hell if they don't!

[fhs33721]

In hindsight if the Hero of Ferelden became the inquisitor Corypheus would indeed win without problems.

1. HoF kills Corypheus,

2. Corypheus posesses HoF.

3. Conveniently he also has the anchor now.

4.Corypheus atains godhood.

5. ????

6. Profit? Well at least for Corypheus I guess.

[robertthebard]

But they were searching for an Inquisitor (i.e. Hawke/Hero of Ferelden) at LEAST a year BEFORE Inquisition/the Conclave.

...and? Divine Justinia penned the notes in the book in the cutscene, and Cass and Leliana go looking for people to fill the role of Inquisitor. In their absence, the Conclave happens. They may have already been on the way back when the Conclave goes boom.

[Jaron Oberyn]

That line from Cass was just fan service to be honest. There's nothing that makes the HoF any more special than your typical Warden. They just had to acknowledge him in some way because some of the fans have been complaining ever since they realized Bioware intended to follow through on the new protagonist with each title promise.

[errantknight]

Fame

 

Doesn't matter if you were an good warden or a bad one almost every censor in thedas knows who the hero of ferelden and either respect or fears you. At the start of the game people don't know what to think about the inquisition "who the hell are these guys" but if an respected/feared hero was leading it people would have rallied behind it at the start..

This is why. They wanted someone with enough influence to avoid the influence gathering that the inquisitor has to do. The only reason you can do the job it the Herald of Andraste schtick. If you were just joe noob, even with the rift mark, you probably wouldn't be able to garner the necessary respect

[Master Race]

HoF will forever be the best thing ever in the history of everdom. That is why.

 

Seriously though i assumed simply because they were so influential and clearly powerful.

[errantknight]

AND my question was why an Inquisitor was needed before Corypheus came about. I GUESS it would make sense for the Mage Rebellion, but I feel like a fullblown Inquisition isn't necessary.

Leliana and Cassandra tell us that Justinia drew up the inquisition order before the conclave and would have initiated it if the conclave failed. She sent her right and left hands to find a suitable inquisitor.

[DarkSpiral]

AND my question was why an Inquisitor was needed before Corypheus came about. I GUESS it would make sense for the Mage Rebellion, but I feel like a fullblown Inquisition isn't necessary.

 

Its a safe bet that the Inquisition Justinia envisioned would have looked nothing like the organization we end up leading.  It would have been a strikeforce answering directly to the Divine, with financial and political backing derived directly from its association with the Chantry.

 

It is theorized, and I agree, by Mother Giselle that the Inquisition Justinia intended to create would also have been temporary.  Once the crisis situation was over and done with, it would have been disbanded.

 

As for why create it all?  Frankly, that's easy.  Justinia knew that the odds of the Conclave resulting in 100% peace were nil.  Maybe an agreement is reached between the factions, but extremist elements of both groups would have gone into hiding and refused to recognize any form of compromise with the other side.  Who do you turn to in that kind of situation?  Do you ask the mages to hunt down and pacify them?  Ask the same of the Templars?  Or do you create a group that exists specifically to bring these inevitable terrorists/bandits/<insert label here> to justice?

 

And that assumes the talks don't flat out fail.  Justinia was offering one hand, but arming the other.  She was a smart woman.

[l7986]

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Name recognition pure and simple. If you say you are starting the Inquisition up again and the Hero of Ferelden or the Champion of Kirkwall is your leader, a lot of people are going to be like "Inquisition, **** YEA, YOU DUN GOOFED CORYPHIFISH." When its random guy/girl/elf/mage/qunari 99438 that has suddenly developed super powers, people are going to more "meh" in their dealings until you prove you are a badass.

[DarkSpiral]

Name recognition pure and simple. If you say you are starting the Inquisition up again and the Hero of Ferelden or the Champion of Kirkwall is your leader, a lot of people are going to be like "Inquisition, **** YEA, YOU DUN GOOFED CORYPHIFISH." When its random guy/girl/elf/mage/qunari 99438 that has suddenly developed super powers, people are going to more "meh" in their dealings until you prove you are a badass.

 

Which is exactly what happened.

[Bladenite1481]

This seems more like a pro Cassandra thread than anything else. HoF because she/he is a Thedas Super hero..like someone said before.

 

Cass should be a super heroine, but they demoted her to mook number 5238. She is called the whatever hand of the Divine, but every other Seeker just treats her like she is just one of the guys and the Chantry treats her like dog trained to fetch. Also her Dragon Slaying is useless in this game. Dragon Slaying techniques by butt, she never did anything but put up her shield and stand in it's fire unless her control was baby sat the entire time. 

 

Ps she should have looked like an older version of how she did in the movie. I found her far prettier there than in game. 

[DarkSpiral]

This seems more like a pro Cassandra thread than anything else. HoF because she/he is a Thedas Super hero..like someone said before.

 

Cass should be a super heroine, but they demoted her to mook number 5238. She is called the whatever hand of the Divine, but every other Seeker just treats her like she is just one of the guys and the Chantry treats her like dog trained to fetch. Also her Dragon Slaying is useless in this game. Dragon Slaying techniques by butt, she never did anything but put up her shield and stand in it's fire unless her control was baby sat the entire time. 

 

Ps she should have looked like an older version of how she did in the movie. I found her far prettier there than in game. 

 

Chicks are not the only ones that dig scars. 

[ReiKokoFuuu]

one could argue that the HoF would make a good inquisitor, not only because s/he stopped the blight and became renowned for it, but s/he did so as the most junior member of their order who was unceremoniously thrust into an unenviable position/role.  with only alistair as the other surviving warden for the majority of the game, also a junior member at the time, they managed to unite all of fereldan and build an army while being branded traitors and being wrongly held responsible for king cailan's death.  that alone makes for an impressive cv/resume.  it's even more impressive if the HoF is any other origin BUT the human noble.  i would guess that this plus the figurehead/symbolism thing is what cassandra and leliana were looking for.

 

i did feel that cassandra deserved better treatment.  she WAS the champion of orlais, after all, as well as a founding member of the inquisition.  even if she didn't desire leadership, i still think that she at least deserved more respect than what some of the npcs showed her (i'm looking at you, roderick), and she should've at least remained as part of the war council after haven.

[Bladenite1481]

Chicks are not the only ones that dig scars. 

Not arguing that point, I just found her far prettier in the movie than in the game. I romanced her in the game only because I didn't find Josephine attractive and wanted a straight female partner. I don't RP different sexes and or preferences, Just not my cup of tea. 

 

Cass would have made as good an Inquisitor as anyone imo. All she needs is the green hand. 

[Incanus]

Even if the Warden would have become the Inquisitor, the main character in DA:I would have been at the conclave anyway getting the power to seal rifts. Being the Inquisitor had absolutly nothing to do with the anchor itself. Also i don't get what sealing rifts had to do with defeating Cory. He was killed because his Dragon was defeated making him vulnerable. Something that could have been accomplished by anyone with enough power.

[X Equestris]

Cassandra interrogated Varric in 9:40 Dragon, which is shortly after the mage rebellion began. Thus, there was no Conclave to speak of at the moment, so, no, the Conclave is definitely NOT the reason for the Inquisition.

The Inquisition was drawn up as a possible solution to the Mage-Templar War. You are told this in the game. Justinia just decides to go with diplomacy first.

Single handedly? No. Having people hold him/her by the hand and telling him/her how things work? Yes.
And MUST I mention it again? NOT EVERYONE BELIEVES THE FIFTH BLIGHT HAPPENED. 
Not to mention that the Inquisition is Orlesian-based, and Orlesians and Fereldens have a BAD relationship.

Not everyone believes the Moon landings happened. Some people think Lizards/ the Illuminati/ any other secret society rule the world from behind the scenes. That doesn't make them correct. I think we can safely say that most people in Thedas, certainly most people in positions of power in Thedas, recognize that the Fifth Blight occurred.