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[RepHope]

I just had that scene with Cassandra and Varric after meeting Hawke again, and this time I noticed that the HoF was their FIRST choice. Seriously?! A runner-up is one thing, but your FIRST choice? Not the man/woman who is viewed by many as responsible for the mage rebellion and seen as a symbol of freedom for mages/templar oppression?

Actually Hawke never made much sense for me. Hawke is a divisive figure, with most people laying all the blame for the Templar-Mage War at his feet. It's very unlikely that such a divisive figure would be able to rally the people around them, especially considering how impotent Hawke was at saving just Kirkwall from the Templar/Mage conflict. Why would they have any larger success at saving all of Thedas?

 

Contrast that with the Warden who no matter how much of a jerk you were,is called "Hero" and lauded for their efforts in saving Thedas from the Fifth Blight. The Warden is also able to potentially save the Fereldan Circle and does so without causing lasting damages to the templar-mage relationships there if Witch Hunt is any indication. They're friends with many important figures, recognized as competant, and unlike Hawke, were a unifying figure in order to save Thedas from the Archdemon.

[Wulfram]

Yeah. Trying to find Hawke to help make peace does make sense, because they do have pull with one of the sides, but making them the head of the Inquisition really doesn't fit. They're not in any sense a neutral party.

[Killdren88]

I like to think of it like it's the Thedas Avengers Initiative or something, tbh. 

 

They need badasses, the Warden qualifies. 

 

If they do that. They need Samuel L Jackson to Voice Cast.

 

The Inquisitor steps into their room to see a cloaked man "Who are you?"

 

SLJ: I'm here to talk to you about the Avengers initiative

[Raiil]

Hawke and the Warden are:

Both well known
Not mired in the politics of the Chantry inasmuch as they don't have leadership roles within the hierarchy
A proven track record of getting work done
Are known quantities
Have enough knowledge of all parties and have dealt with them


The only person who can potentially lay claim to that is King Alistair, who is committed to Ferelden. Warden Alistair has no leadership position and is more of a follower.

[Heimdall]

I just had that scene with Cassandra and Varric after meeting Hawke again, and this time I noticed that the HoF was their FIRST choice. Seriously?! A runner-up is one thing, but your FIRST choice? Not the man/woman who is viewed by many as responsible for the mage rebellion and seen as a symbol of freedom for mages/templar oppression?

The Hero of Ferelden is pretty much the biggest hero around though, by virtue of stopping the Blight their name brings quite a lot of respectability to the Inquisition from all quarters, not just Templars and Mages.

[Nefla]

You're over thinking it. It was pure fanservice for them to nod at your warden and say how great she was and how she would have been the bestest leader ever. Also it shuts up the people who would have gone "why would some random vagabond wander in and save the world, they should have called in muh warden, she would have beaten the crap out of Corypheus in 5 seconds!"

[xJLxKing]

The warden does have the feats to back up those statements though ;D

 

With that said, we will never see the Warden again. It's unfortunate, it would be awesome to see him weak, as if the blight itself has taken him. Now it's up to us to put him down

[cronshaw]

the only reason the warden is mentioned as a potential inquisitor is fan service

[frogkisser]

the only reason the warden is mentioned as a potential inquisitor is fan service

I've got to agree with this. HoF's clear prowess and Hawke's popularity-but-inclination-for-disaster aside, I feel like both choices were somewhat fan-service. They weren't the most popular or the most beloved figures available, and plus, they were already aligned with certain causes / ideas. The warden is a warden, and giving him/her a cause that isn't the darkspawn or the Blight somewhat diminishes their reputation. Hawke, well, powerful or not, was tangled in the Kirkwall mess and will inevitably always be a symbol of the mage/templar war. They're not the logical choices in almost any way, except for fan service. If we argue that a hero was needed as a figurehead for the new Inquisition, why not Cassandra herself, for example? Alistair, whether king or warden, is still a formidable choice. Loghain? Cullen? Heck, Aveline is just as goddamn logical.

 

The figurehead had to be someone 'untainted' by history and politics as Hawke and HoF are, but couldn't just be anybody. I had previously wondered why our PC in Inquisition becomes the Inquisitor - a super duper lucky nobody who was paid attention to just because of surviving the Fade. Now I think I understand why, for more reasons than just the Anchor. It was someone new, someone 'clean', who didn't bring any history of Blights or exploding Chantries to the Inquisition. 

 

^{Aveline would've made the best Inquisitor.} 

[frogkisser]

I don't think Hawke was fanservice. Not only does it make sense, but they're looking for Hawke in DA2 as well.

Forgive me if I missed this before, I skimmed through some answers on this thread. How are they looking for Hawke in DA2? You mean Cassandra's whole interrogation of Varric / whole story told in retrospect? Well...yeah, obviously. I disagree that Hawke truly makes sense though. Yes, she's an incredibly powerful figure, and can certainly be played as a virtuous person who did everything to quell the tension in the city and avoid war, keep the peace, yadda yadda....In the end, many people still hold her partially responsible for the war, even if Cassandra later admits otherwise. Having her become the head of the Inquisition would not let it start off on the right note. The argument that she was the one most involved in everything isn't exactly a stellar recommendation, all things considered. 

 

Of course, if Hawke had just been unlucky enough to find herself in the Conclave and gotten the Anchor, things would have been very different, and perhaps far more interesting than the Inquisitor we get. I rather liked the idea of Hawke being brought to the Conclave as a criminal to trial, kinda like Varric and then stuff happens, but, well, that didn't happen. Searching for Hawke just to hand her the role of Inquisitor almost seems irresponsible. 

[Ash Wind]

as being home to a bunch of dog lords.

 

• S/he's a Warden. There's no Blight going on here. Warden's are trained to do one thing, and that's stop Blight's. Sure s/he stopped the civil war going on in Ferelden, but this was simply a means to an end. Not only that, but s/he isn't even the highest of his/her ranking. Oh, and if s/he let the Architect live? YOU HAD ONE JOB, WARDEN. ONE. JOB. Also, IIRC, Wardens are NOT allowed to get involved in politics. I doubt there's an exception for big conflicts, seeing as Kirkwall was getting massacred by the Qunari and yet the Wardens who come through say, Sorry, not allowed to get involved. Warden oaths and all.
• There are other heroes. The Hero of Ferelden, the Hero of Orlais, the Champion of Kirkwall. I'm guessing there are probably some more heroes out there for consideration.

AAAAAHHHHH... wrong answer McFly.

 

This BS started with the devs trying to sell DA2 (shorly before thet started offering free copies of ME2 if you would buy their little game) and has been repeatedly and ridicuously quoted by posters since, who wish to shoe-horn the HOF into a Darkspawn only killing machine that is as dumb as it is inaccurate....

Its not like the HOF ever encountered and defeated....

Fade Spirits

Drakes

Dragons

Abominations

Demons

Carta Thugs

humans

evles

dwarves

qunari

golems

mages

templars

 

and just about every other type of adversary... not to mention, not Shepard... er, I mean Hawke or the Inquisitor could defeat... the Archdemon

 

Nope, the HOF could only kill darkspawn, and even then, only during a blight... oh f****** please.
 

#dismissed.

[xJLxKing]

Hawke felt a BIT like fanservice. Yet, he did have a pretty good cameo or appearance. HOF though was just like F U to all the origins players

 

If you going to make a silly excuse, i rather they not mention him at all. I mean the HOF, the guy who was willing to lay down his life to kill the Archdemon is too BUSY to come stop this huge breach because he trying to save his own life? REALLY? They could have handled it better

[ThreeF]

 

If you going to make a silly excuse, i rather they not mention him at all. I mean the HOF, the guy who was willing to lay down his life to kill the Archdemon is too BUSY to come stop this huge breach because he trying to save his own life? REALLY? They could have handled it better

 

What?

[xJLxKing]

typos

 

He is on a quest to purge himself of something that will kill him, right? Trying to find the cure to the calling. Yet, this is the guy who was willing to lay down his life to say the world from the blight. Where is that mentality in here? 

[ThreeF]

typos

 

He is on a quest to purge himself of something that will kill him, right? Trying to find the cure to the calling. Yet, this is the guy who was willing to lay down his life to say the world from the blight. Where is that mentality in here? 

 

From what i understood he is not doing it for himself, there is a bigger picture to the whole cure the calling quest (and it will probably play a bigger role further in the story)

 

edit: This time around me learned that wardens can be manipulated into thinking that their death is near, we also learned how the whole kill the archdemon works, also, personally, I'm not entirely convinced that the wardens who participated in the sacrifice of the Divine were under Corypheus control (no glowy eyes and he says "our victory"). Epilogue hints on a war in the Warden's ranks. Things are brewing and the cure might be exactly the solution to many future problems.

[xJLxKing]

From what i understood he is not doing it for himself, there is a bigger picture to the whole cure the calling quest (and it will probably play a bigger role further in the story)

Yes, he is looking for the cure for calling in general. But again, the world could end because of the breach

 

Like can you imagine him in Fereldom or whereever, and someone sees him. 

 

Stranger: Aren't you the Warden Commander, the HoF, the one who stopped the 5th blight from even starting

Warden: that's me, please to meet you

Stranger: So what are you going to do about the breach, they say the end of the world is here

Warden: Not my problem, i'm looking for the cure to save the wardens even if there wont be a planet let to live in. It's OK 

[KaiserShep]

You're over thinking it. It was pure fanservice for them to nod at your warden and say how great she was and how she would have been the bestest leader ever. Also it shuts up the people who would have gone "why would some random vagabond wander in and save the world, they should have called in muh warden, she would have beaten the crap out of Corypheus in 5 seconds!"

Heh, the Warden would've beaten Corypheus, only to suddenly be taken over by Corypheus because of the taint.

[ThreeF]

Warden: Not my problem, i'm looking for the cure to save the wardens even if there wont be a planet let to live in. It's OK 

If he is too far away (and it's implied that he is) there is no point rushing back, imo. Plus I'm not sure... it's my impression that they only managed to locate him after the Adamant.

[Sabbatine]

• S/he's a Warden. There's no Blight going on here. Warden's are trained to do one thing, and that's stop Blight's. Sure s/he stopped the civil war going on in Ferelden, but this was simply a means to an end. Not only that, but s/he isn't even the highest of his/her ranking. Oh, and if s/he let the Architect live? YOU HAD ONE JOB, WARDEN. ONE. JOB. Also, IIRC, Wardens are NOT allowed to get involved in politics. I doubt there's an exception for big conflicts, seeing as Kirkwall was getting massacred by the Qunari and yet the Wardens who come through say, Sorry, not allowed to get involved. Warden oaths and all

 

The Wardens spend the entire first game wrapped up in politics... There is no reason to believe the situation in Inquisition would be seen differently especially given the blight suspicions.  

 

The Wardens in Kirkwall don't stop and help you but that doesn't mean they aren't getting involved in the situation... they just have their own objectives.

[Beomer]

Because one they needed a reason why Cass and Leliana cryptically talk about searching for the HoF and Hawke. I'm sure the dialogue came first and they came up with the reason to fit that line later.

Because two the HoF is one of the big badasses Thedas has seen in a while.

And because three, the Divine had already passed (or whatever) the writ to reform the Inquisition well before the conclave. Remember when Cass shows that big book to the priest dude right before we get the cutscene about the forming of the Inquisition? That was the Divine's command, and IIRC Cass had been carrying that in the final cutscene of DA2 too. So we can assume that Justinia foresaw the strife the world will face and decided to reform the Inquisition of old. Cory starting his mischief was just the catalyst that lead to the Inquisition being formed.