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[dsl08002]

i hope that there is more behind the quest that the warden is on searching for the cure against the calling. that there is a much bigger plot involved.

[ziloe]

Uh, because you're a hero who inspired an army or various races and classes to band together to fight against the blight? Seems fairly reasonable that they would want someone who had the ability to do that.

[robertthebard]

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He is on a quest to purge himself of something that will kill him, right? Trying to find the cure to the calling. Yet, this is the guy who was willing to lay down his life to say the world from the blight. Where is that mentality in here?

Um, if the Warden is alive after Origins, he's not willing to lay down his life, and if he's not alive, then he's not available...

[dsl08002]

The problem is that bioware never really thought it through with the idea of HoFs involvment in DAI after the ending of DA2 where they backed themselves into a corner, by expressing that the warden were going to be of importence to DAI. But then they changed the whole approach, so in the end youve got a plot that is filled with holes and weak foundation.

[xJLxKing]

Um, if the Warden is alive after Origins, he's not willing to lay down his life, and if he's not alive, then he's not available...

Willing doesn't mean you throw it for no reason

 

He bore a baby with Morrigan, kills a Archdemon, and lives. That doesn't mean, initially, at the begining of the game, the man was willing to put down his live. Heck, it was till near the end of the game that Morrigan brings the idea to save his life 

[FrancisCPSN]

 

• Race, class, or where s/he is from. In the case of the dwarves, well, they don't have mages, so they're not exactly great consultants on this issue. Nobody likes elves, and Dalish elves would especially have a very vague perspective of what's going on. A mage Warden is a mage, and people might claim that this is a potential bias, and the human noble is from Ferelden, a country known for being Orlais b**** for Idontknowhowmany years, as well as being home to a bunch of dog lords.
• S/he's a Warden. There's no Blight going on here. Warden's are trained to do one thing, and that's stop Blight's. Sure s/he stopped the civil war going on in Ferelden, but this was simply a means to an end. Not only that, but s/he isn't even the highest of his/her ranking. Oh, and if s/he let the Architect live? YOU HAD ONE JOB, WARDEN. ONE. JOB. Also, IIRC, Wardens are NOT allowed to get involved in politics. I doubt there's an exception for big conflicts, seeing as Kirkwall was getting massacred by the Qunari and yet the Wardens who come through say, Sorry, not allowed to get involved. Warden oaths and all.
• There are other heroes. The Hero of Ferelden, the Hero of Orlais, the Champion of Kirkwall. I'm guessing there are probably some more heroes out there for consideration.
• S/he might have "killed" Leliana. Or tried to, at least. In that case, why the hell are we looking for his/her help? Did that shield bash hit you on the head a little too hard, Nightingale?
• Leliana might not have even known him/her. One could argue that Leliana knew the Warden and what s/he was capable of, but if she was never recruited then she has no personal knowledge.
• S/he might be a dick. WHY would we want the help of a complete *******? Decisions like letting the people of Amaranthine die and killing Caradin might seem bad, but they were done with good intent: sacrificing for the greater good. Defiling the Sacred Ashes for some vague, personal power? Well then you're just a dick, dude.
• It's been years. Why are we probably not choosing the Hero of Orlais? Because it's been 19 or so years since she's done anything. It's been 10 years since the Hero of Ferelden has done anything. Not to mention that s/he disappeared at LEAST a few years ago, so why are we wasting our time looking for a ghost.

• Race, class or where s/he is from. Doesn't matter, The Warden, no matter where from rallied the armies of dalish, dwarfs, mages and humans. Decided the fate of the circle in ferelden, and possibly witness their prowess first hand while fighting the archdemon. as perspective of what's going on, you've been a warden for 10 years, possibly roaming around thedas seeing the plight of the people all around. As for being orlais' b****, the only one holding that grudge is/was Loghain. (Cailan even wanted Orlais' help remember?)
• S/he is a warden. I'd give this point to you, cuz wardens are at a great disadvantage againts corypheus here. But still, raised an army, stopped the blight, stole lunch for that deserter in camp. As for the architect, we haven't seen the extent of boon / bane of sparing him. Killing him however made the darkspawn much more crazy according to the epilogue. Politics wise, well, if he/she kept disapearing, i doubt the Order has much say and hold on where The Hero of Ferelden is at.
• There are other heroes. The warden stopped the blight, the sole disaster that has everyone on their feet. and to top it off, without any prior warden training, saving thedas before the blight spreads.
• S/he might have "killed" Leliana. this one I'd give to you too, if your canon warden defiled the ashes of andraste, I see no reason for the inquisition to want his/her help. But i'm guessing the majority of the player's canon is that you didn't defile the ashes.
• Leliana might not have even known him/her. I don't see the point here. Even if Leliana didn't know The Warden personally, she'd probably still want his help to save everybody's sorry ass.
• S/he might be a dick. see 'S/he might have "killed" Leliana.'
• It's been years. Cassandra has all rights to lead the inquisition, she choose not to.

[Karlone123]

I have a somewhat off-topic question. Is is still stated Cassandra was searching for the Warden even is he/she died killing the Archdemon?

[Unpleasant Implications]

Because the HoF is a pretty cool guy, he probably kills archdemons and doesn't afraid of anything.

[Vit246]

I wish everybody, including Bioware and the fictional people of Dragon Age would get over the Hero of Ferelden and move on. His story and relevance is FINISHED.

[Joe-Poe]

The Archdemon was powerful, yes, but considering the ease with which Riordan was able to harm it with just his swords I would not call it the most powerful to ever exist. Its danger lied mostly in its ability to hop from one host to another and the fact that it surrounded itself by a horde.

Yeah, but then Bard slew Smaug with a bow and arrow in the Hobbit (the book, not the crap they did in the moive).

[FrancisCPSN]

I disagree with the race point. In Awakening, even though your Warden (potentially) stopped the Blight, people still resent them if they're an elf or dwarf.

The Order actually gets pretty ticked if you let the Architect go, iirc. 

The Warden stopped the Blight because Flemeth saved their ass. Everyone knows the story. If it had been someone else at the Tower then they would have survived and probably would have been capable of stopping the Blight just as the Warden had. Also, Warden's aren't supposed to be involved in politics, and defeating darkspawn isn't relevant to finding a way to have the mages and templars stop tearing out each other's throats.

I feel that if Leliana didn't know the Warden she'd be less likely to recruit them, imo.

Cassandra chose not to because she felt that she wasn't the right fit.

1. not as much hate as you'd receive before you stopped the blight.

2. the order is pissed but we still haven't seen the extent of the damage if we let the architect go. for all we know the warden got banished from the order for letting the architect go.

3. I don't see your point, if someone else was saved from the tower by flemeth (even if not the warden) s/he'd still amass an army to kill the archdemon - thus becoming the hero of ferelden. 

4. Wardens aren't supposed to be involved in politics, sure, but how does that matter to HoF. he helped in 2 civil wars and participated in the whatever happened in ameranthine. I'm guessing the HoF doesn't answer to anyone anymore.

5. Again, the circle, anulled or helped, either way, HoF has firshand expirience on how to deal with the damn problem. Just like hawke.

6. Being the champion of kirkwal was enough for cassandra to want hawke's help. HoF holds a bigger title, even if leliana doesn't know that the warden existed, I'm sure cassandra would still want to recruit him/her.

7. Yes, exactly my point, cassandra choose not to, because she felt that she wasn't the right fit., thus rendering the year thing obsolete.

[Lumix19]

I like to think that Cassandra, Justinia and Leliana considered all sorts of people before settling on the HoF. I doubt s/he was their first choice. But perhaps all other potential candidates were either too tied with the Chantry (like Cassandra), didn't have the recognition required or were otherwise rejected (e.g. insert reason here). Perhaps Justinia and Leliana knew them personally or through digging through their history and thought they weren't suitable. I don't think Justinia suggested the Inquisition and all three of them immediately thought the HoF was the best candidate.

Or it's for us, the fans.

[songsmith2003]

The HoF would make a good leader choice because the HoF has already demonstrated the ability to bring disparate groups together to work for a common good. Sure, they had treaties to back them up, but the groups always demanded the Hero jump through hoops before committing. Combine that ability with the glamor of being the person who "ended the Blight," and the Hero makes for a good choice of leader.

 

Hawke is a worse choice, IMO. Hawke may have sided with the mages, even pardoned Anders. I doubt that would have much pull politically if that was the case.

[Darkly Tranquil]

Because the Warden Took a Level in Badass.

[KaiserShep]

Hawke is a worse choice, IMO. Hawke may have sided with the mages, even pardoned Anders. I doubt that would have much pull politically if that was the case.

 

Thing is, the Inquisitor can, in some indirect way, vindicate this by either allying with the mages or dissolving the Templar order.

[Darkly Tranquil]

 
Hawke is a worse choice, IMO. Hawke may have sided with the mages, even pardoned Anders. I doubt that would have much pull politically if that was the case.

Knowing Hawke's propensity for accidental screw ups that have disastrous consequences, Hawke would probably try to close the
Breach and end up sucking all of Thedas into the Fade instead. Hawke with the Anchor...bad idea.

[sillymonkboy]

Because the Warden Took a Level in Badass.

Actually, I'm pretty sure that the HoF took Badass as their Prestige Class.

[FrancisCPSN]

Codex Updated

 

Study on the Hero of Ferelden Vol. 1.

 

Race: Badass

Gender: Badass

Class: Badass

[FrancisCPSN]

I just spent time reading this entire thread.

 

Just realized op is just being spiteful of The Warden.

 

Sorry for mistaking this for a serious topic.

 

I admit to being trolled.