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[Astorax]

The only "official" word we've had is Scott Commons posted on the old DA forums that something came up last minute and that they didn't feel comfortable releasing the toolset in its current state.

Scott's quote from the other DA forums:

Issues come up, unforseen circumstances get in the way.
I would love nothing more than to have everyone download the toolset and be using it right now.

As soon as we resolve the issues we will release it.
We are not going to release something that isn't ready.
I am not sure when the issues came up and how much notice we could have given our fans.
We are letting you know at this moment we are working on it and hopefully it will be available soon.

As soon as I have any further word, I'll let you guys know as soon as I do.

When it IS available, it will be available for download from here:

http://social.biowar...t.php#downloads

Please keep your comments and discussion about the toolset availability in this thread.  I will be closing/locking the rest.

Thank you.



UPDATE:

Jon_Thompson_ wrote...

The current ETA on the toolset
release is tomorrow morning (that is November 6th). We ran into some
last-minute, unexpected installer issues that required fixing and
testing. It is now ready, but it needs to wend it way through the
system to appear on our servers.

As I said, if all goes well you can expect the toolset tomorrow morning.

UPDATE Nov 6th 11:00AM Bioware time:

TOOLSET IS AVAILABLE.

There is an issue involving Steam users that they are working to resolve.

Modifié par Astorax, 06 novembre 2009 - 08:45 .

[jodlaurie]

Gotta say, I find that hard to believe. "Last minute" in the game industry would be around six weeks ago and given the fact that it's a downloadable... they've had plenty of time to iron out any kinks unless it's a problem so massive that it makes the entire thing unworkable.

[Astorax]

If it's a bug, then yeah, probably...but if it's a licensing issue, for example, last minute could be "the lawyers just said something today"...



For the record, I don't have any knowledge of why it's been delayed at this point. I surmise it's something along those lines however.

[BByers]

well developers often spend up to the last moments tweeking games and working on stuff. They probably thought the Toolset was 99% ready to go then found out it wasnt quite done but didnt have time before release to fix it.

[bakly]

Thanks for the info. Hope they get some news for us soon. I hope it's a tech issue rather than lawyer speak - We definitely don't want them gimping our toybox, because it sounds like it's going to be awesome...

[NKato]

I am sick of the speculation. I want concrete answers.

[cubby78]

I don't know why everyone seems to be all up in arms on this. So it takes a couple extra days to come out. I'd rather wait a week(and i'm just saying a "week" i haven't heard a time frame) and them get it right, then for them to let us download it now, not have it work right and then wade through everyone complaining about how it doesn't work and when is it going to get fixed, etc.

[bigdrip681]

I don't think people are nearly as upset about the delay as to the lack of information. Giving us a simple explanation such as "A last minute bug was found just before release and we should have it fixed in x days." would go a long way towards appeasing the masses. Is it really that hard to be honest and open with your userbase? The fact that they are being so secretive about this has me worried...

Modifié par bigdrip681, 05 novembre 2009 - 05:55 .

[Buddikaman82]

The game itself has been done since early this year, BioWare and EA decided this time of year would be the best time to release the game. Not sure what the toolset delay is from, but its definatly not from BioWare having enough time to "iron out the kinks". Haha.



-Buddikaman

[Synarchist]

So many ideas, can't wait till it's out.

This is an excellent game, well done.

[NKato]

The issue is that they are not being transparent about the toolset, and in addition, the European release is slated to occur significantly later from this week - I've seen tell of probably a MONTH?



This suggests to me that they may end up delaying the toolset until the European release is done. Which, in my opinion, is stupid.



The bottom line is, stop stalling, give us the toolset - we were promised a toolset the launch's timeframe in the context that it would come with the game. I am quite sick of people/companies/PR people going back on their words or trying to change the terms of what they said.



Enough facetious crap. Give it to us straight - did EA or Bioware screw this up?

[Mireneye]

Oh... so it's not out yet. Damnit! Got my hopes up.

[Adinos]

Regarding the claim that "they should have had plenty of time..." you must keep in mind that development work on the toolset continued after the game went gold. The people in the beta got the last beta version on October 29th , and one new component was introduced in that version.

Sure, it would have been nice if the toolset had been ready weeks, maybe months earlier, but the fact is that development on the toolset continued after the game went gold, and right until the last minute.....so, no. there was not "plenty of time".

It is entirely plausible that some last-minute issue arose, and while I agree that BioWare should probably have released a bit more information, I realize that last minute issues like this just happen....

Modifié par Adinos, 05 novembre 2009 - 07:54 .

[zWolf]

cubby78 wrote...

I don't know why everyone seems to be all up in arms on this. So it takes a couple extra days to come out. I'd rather wait a week(and i'm just saying a "week" i haven't heard a time frame) and them get it right, then for them to let us download it now, not have it work right and then wade through everyone complaining about how it doesn't work and when is it going to get fixed, etc.

For me, it's the bitter taste of the Dungeons and Dragons Virtual Table that was so heavily touted back in the day... they sold the books, and left the 'Log into the Virtual Table' add up on the main page for a week - pretty much so they could sell as manny books as possible.  Then, they slowly let out the info (and by slowly, I mean over the course of MONTHS,) that it was going to take quite a while to get it out... then scaled back... then not even working on it as an active project anymore!

The HORROR! 

I'm sure that won't happen in this case.. but seriously, the way that went down, and how this is going down were eriely similar... enough so to make some one who loves to invent 'evil EA conspirisy' theories start feeling an evil vibe.

once again, I'm not saying that Bioware's Tool Set is like, or even that its going to 'be' like Wizzards of the coasts, D&D Virtual Table, I'm saying that because of the bad experiance with Wizzards, that is why, for at least me, I was a little 'up in arms' there for a second... I have calmed down considerably now, and am enjoying playing the game.

Tis AWESOME!  I just finished the wardens Keep section - Holy Freaking Cow man - is that cool!

zWolf -out.

[Doc5thMech]

Patience -- a virtue --- over immediate gratification ??? very noble --- but I'm not virtuous, so please hurry!!!

[The Dead Milkman]

I dont understand why people blame every "problem" on EA. Especially when the company that made the game has taken responsibility.

[BFBHLC]

Astorax wrote...

For the record, I don't have any knowledge of why it's been delayed at this point. I surmise it's something along those lines however.

Oh how I do love being so right sometimes.

[Smakit]

Yeah, it kind of stinks. I'm with everyone else about just hoping for more info - as it does seem strange that something just popped up there last minute. It would be nice to get something along the lines of "We didn't even realize that for some reason the files could be corrupted, rending an entire work useless, so we want to get that worked out..", or whatever the case may be.



I guess they aren't really obligated to tell us, and I should be happy to just be getting a toolset at all (after all, not all games come with such, and they have generally done a pretty good job with them in the past). I suppose it is just the anticipation along with the dreaded "it will be done when it's done" sort of talk that gets everyone worried - no one enjoys being in the dark.



Ah well, I will wait patiently for it, and would rather it work well (let's hope that is the case - a delay and horrible problems right after is never fun =) ). Good luck to the fellas working on it.

[StingingVelvet]

I would never have touched it or mods until I beat the game anyway. Perhaps it was a move to ensure DLC sales in the early days, but I don't have a problem with it because I need time with the main game anyway.



Don't get me wrong, I am eager to start quest writing, but I need to learn the land and see the sights first.

[Ticladesign]

To qoute the NWN2 community rep during the pre-release Toolset issues back then:



"If it rains, it pours."



These delays just happen at times, be glad there is a toolset in the near future. I know I am.



Just be patient, please.

[Jassper]

The issue they found might be the fact that the toolset breaks the game.



I had all sorts of issues with the game client, and the character creature with the beta toolset installed. After getting the official game, and installed it on my Desktop as well as my laptop. My laptop once again had no text in game - unplayable. On my desktop I had text, but no conversation control and everything was using the toolset reference name instead of the actual name, i.e. everything was prefixed with something like "bb1_something_001_guard" etc.



After un-installing everything, beta toolset, client for the toolset, character creator, and removing all registry keys I reinstalled just the official game on both and now the game runs correctly on both.



Not to mention the light mapping issues that everyone had.

[Jassper]

double post - sorry.

Modifié par Jassper, 05 novembre 2009 - 11:48 .

[Fester Pot]

The last beta build that was sent out to us was after it had gone gold as Adinos mentioned. During that time, many of us downloaded and began testing this particular version, the version that would have become the public one.

Something was found, reported and here we are.

The outcry of this is much better than what would have happened if it was allowed to go out with the issues that was found. Be happy it was caught at the last minute because it would have caused problems for everyone, not just a select few.

And Jassper , you are forgiven.

Modifié par Fester Pot, 05 novembre 2009 - 12:08 .

[Cromalic]

Why not just make it open beta?

Surely that would allow BioWare to discover more (possibly worse) bugs in a shorter amount of time, meaning the final build would be more stable and quicklier released.

[johnbgardner]

Quicklier? Now there's a word I haven't heard since, oh, before you were born, young Skywalker...

Seriously, though, I'd just appreciate a tentative timeframe so I can go back to checking the site twice daily instead of 20+ times a day.