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After finishing Dragon Age Inquisition, I went around the web trying to find discussions about alternate branches, companions, and the like. While doing this I ran across a few videos, and posts, discussing how stupid, and idiotic it is to protest Bioware's inclusion of homosexual relations in their recent games, but specifically Inquisition. These posts really struck a nerve with me. It was as if they, those wanting more inclusion in media, completely ignored the universe Dragon Age is set in, a feudalistic world, where magic exists, and instead focused on the argument of representation, where because of our much more globalized world, and diverse society, specifically U.S, and Canada, media has to be more diverse in the characters it includes. The problem with this idea is that it makes the world Dragon Age is set in seem extraordinarily strange.

(This section has nothing to do with the dwarves, please just ignore they for a minute)

So, the Dragon Age Series is set in the World of Thedas, and this world has a huge amount of problems, every few hundred years a species called Darkspawn, attempts to invade this world, and in the process, thousands if not millions of combatants are killed in the attempt to push them back, not mentioning that the leader of these Darkspawn, called an Archdemon, a powerful dragon like creature that alone, can easily destroy villages, cities, and armies, and that killed be killed ‘easily’ like ‘normal’ dragons, who more or less have the same destructive power as an Archdemon. This world also has to deal with the conflicts that Feudalism brings to the table, bloody succession crises, cultural rebellions, assassinations, and conquests against other nations for land. And if our experiences in all of the games are to be believed, massive amounts of gang violence. This still doesn’t mention the rampant diseases, troubled births, and uncivilized view of medicine that would come with a time period such as this, all of which would result in many more deaths outside of combat. Finish it off with mages, people who society locks up because of the fear associated with their powers, which include creating firestorms, crushing something telekinetically, and being susceptible to the corrupting power of demons, who if they gain control of a mage, will proceed to kill most living things around it, and you’ve got yourself a world where death is nearly everywhere.

Yet, no one really minds two people’s decision to not produce children, apparently these dangers, all of which are much more serious than any threat ever faced by Europeans in the Middle Ages period in the real world, are worth caring too much about. This isn’t to say that I think homosexual, or bisexual romances have no place in this series, I just feel like they, for the most part, aren’t addressed properly. The only one that I think was addressed properly was Zevran’s bisexuality, as the indulgent lifestyle the Crows allowed him to have would lead him down a path of a sexually liberated lifestyle; not to mention Zevran is suppose to view his life as forfeit for the Crows, and is thus not expected to procreate.

However Bioware did show their competence when they created the Dwarf society, with all of its quirks well explained, and how the lost of their kingdom, perpetual war with Darkspawn, and their caste system lead to the dark situation they were trapped in at the beginning of Origins. The writing team showed great skill in crafting this part of the setting

All that I really want is Bioware to make a world that feels real, and this is something modern Bioware has a much harder time doing, I assume because their older games were all licensed, and I just hope that when Bioware starts exploring more touchy subjects related to identity, sexuality, and so on, they don’t screw it up as they’ve done with the Dragon Age series, and don’t just put it in there without regard for the setting. I can only hope the new game Bioware announced at E3 can handle itself better.


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Oh for...


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http://dragonage.wik...ality_in_Thedas

 

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You must be new here, darling.


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Lady Artifice

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All that I really want is Bioware to make a world that feels real,

 

 

Here's where you hit a snag.

 

They don't have to create a world that feels real to you, any more than they have to create a setting that's really like the Middle Ages.

 

They've already made a fantastic (in the fantasy sense) environment. They can populate it with whatever people and ideals they want. Every Thedosian culture has their own aspects and motivations for their attitude toward sexuality, and it's already one of the most commonly and thoroughly discussed aspects of DA.


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Haha. The "realism" "argument."  Again.


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You must be new here, darling.

Ho dear, Vivie is taking over Rex now.


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Br3admax

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Pfft, implying that that's a bad thing. 


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Depends really.



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Ho dear, Vivie is taking over Rex now.

Madame de Fer certainly left a good impression upon me.

;)


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Oh, and since I haven't said it very much yet.

 

MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!! <33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333


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There's a wonderfully realistic world waiting for you outside your door, OP. :D


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Lady Artifice

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Also, OP, the rundown of Thedosian history might be a touch unnecessary.

 

Most people here are already familiar. 



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Oh, and since I haven't said it very much yet.

 

MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!! <33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333

 

Yeah, Merry Christmas to all my sis's in this thread. I hope it's realistic. 


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I see your point, but the Dragon Age wants to give us a medieval world but that has our current concepts, of course the dragon age was a medieval EVEN would be The Witcher life or follow the style of Game of Thrones and so will.



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Guess what OP?  Since the dawn of humanity, there have been people who are attracted to members of the same sex.  Including the middle ages, so Dragon Age is realistic in that regard. That's one of the most realistic things about this game actually. Your long-winded speech about darkspawn and mages (which we all know about) is the unrealistic part.


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Ok, I get that this is supposed to be a serious discussion, but I just can't help but laugh at the entire OP.  Seriously, it's a video game set in a fantasy world.  Fantasy =/= reality.

 

idk about you, OP, but procreation is the last thing on my mind.  Pretty sure that the same can be said of the many, many people in Thedas, possibly excluding the dwarves in Orzammar and Kal-Sharok.


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Why do I get the feeling OP has left after his first post, and won't even read the entire thread.


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Oh man.

 

All I can say is way to pick a first post OP.

 

Your post basically reads "I'm uncomfortable with the idea of non heterosexual people that don't fit into the little box I put them in."

 

And now, here come the meme/gif posts.


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Why do I get the feeling OP has left after his first post, and won't even read the entire thread.

 

 

You're probably right.

 

Finish a DA game for the first time? What you need is to post a nice, long winded rant about this one possible aspect of it onto the internet. 

 

Without looking up whether everything you want to say has already been said before.

 

Over and over and over and over and over...



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Look on the brightside. It's not a romance thread. 


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Look on the brightside. It's not a romance thread. 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHA



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Paragraph breaks are your friend. Just sayin'... ;)


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Look on the brightside. It's not a romance thread. 

I can turn it into one if you want.



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"I don't want gay people to not exist. I just don't want them to appear in my game because I believe gay people will always be discriminated against in even fantasy Middle Ages."

 

Am I about right?


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