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[Andraste_Reborn]

Oh, look, everyone! Santa brought us a homophobic rant for Christmas! Just what we always wanted.

 

I'm always amused by people that think that 1) Thedas is anything like Medieval Europe and 2) there somehow weren't any gay people in Europe after the ancient Greeks and before Oscar Wilde. (Who might actually identify as bisexual if we could ask him, but never mind that.)

 

While darkspawn, demons and various wars certainly make life in Thedas dangerous, we don't see any evidence that they suffer from the massive infant and childhood mortality that people in our world had to deal with right up until the 20th century. It's likely that healing magic makes a big difference here - not so much because the average person gets a mage healer when they're hurt, but because it may have helped people gain a much better understanding of how the body works than they had in our world at a comparable time. We haven't heard anyone in the setting talking about the four humours or the miasma theory of disease, after all. There is pressure on nobles to continue the family line, but that's something discussed in the game itself.

[Precursor Meta]

I don't think nothing of the sexuality in the Dragon age setting.

[Monica21]

We haven't heard anyone in the setting talking about the four humours or the miasma theory of disease, after all. There is pressure on nobles to continue the family line, but that's something discussed in the game itself.

 

Ooo! Ooo! Talk to the surgeon when you get to Skyhold! I laughed. She's all, "Good diet, exercise, and a balance of the humors is what's necessary to keep you healthy. Science is the future, not magic." She's the medieval Bill Nye.

[arelenriel]

OP you are playing a game with dragons, rabbit/deer crossbreeds (nuggalopes), , what essentially plays out to be Morgoth and his Lieutenants, plus the orcs (Cory, Architect, Darkspawn), elves, half dragon/elf or human hybrids (kossith), dwarves, wyverns, dracolisks which are some type of snake/dragon/horse crossbreed, a spirit possesed undead horse, demons, magic, castles, kings and queens, sheep/pigs (snowfleurs) where your character can kill monsters with a giant green light emitting from his hand--- if you want realistic none of these things would exist,..

 

I mean honestly this is an RPG.. not a Simulation game-if realism is what you look for in games a characters sexuality being portrayed realistically is the least of your concerns if you are playing a Dragon Age game..

 

Quite frankly sexuality/gender and romantic relationships are portrayed a lot more realistically in Bioware games than most other games portray them. After all with Bethesda Games you just go a temple, regardless of your gender or that of your prospective spouse, and you get married and you get a ability buff.. thats it .. and to ask you spouse to cook for you - and if they can give you money-- that's it ..

 

 

If you don't like the games don't play them.. or wait for mods to begin coming out.. and download some tuts and make yourself a more realistic sexuality mod.. and please while you are welcome as a new member do a forum search before posting.. there is very little on this topic that has not already been said.

[Era'harel]

Well, I for one ADORE the homosexuality/bisexuality aspect of the game. 

The point is, these things SHOULDN'T affect you.  You SHOULDN'T feel anything towards others enjoying what they enjoy if no harm is being done -- in the real world, in a fantasy world, in any world it is unacceptable to judge others for their preferences that have NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU.

[CuriousArtemis]

Ooo! Ooo! Talk to the surgeon when you get to Skyhold! I laughed. She's all, "Good diet, exercise, and a balance of the humors is what's necessary to keep you healthy. Science is the future, not magic." She's the medieval Bill Nye.

 

That cracked me up!! Because I was nodding along until she got to "the four humors"

[holdenagincourt]

It's amusing that you think that same-sex romantic and sexual relationships didn't exist in "the Middle Ages period" (or in any human society, at any point in history). Homosexuality has existed for as long as heterosexuality, though some people confuse the dominant modern Western narrative and system of defining sexuality for human sexuality itself, as you have here.

 

You complain that a setting does not "feel real," by which of course you mean it does not conform to your limited knowledge of human sexuality across space and time and offensively stereotypical preconceptions about non-heterosexual people (e.g. concluding that Zevran is believable because his "indulgent" lifestyle "led him down a path" of bisexuality). I hope you educate yourself on these issues so that the next time something "strikes a nerve" with you, you'll at least embarrass yourself less by not coming to the internet to reveal your ignorance to random strangers.

[Incantrix]

Don't we get this thread every month? 

 

I think it's becoming more than mere coincidence....

[AtreiyaN7]

*rolleyes@OP*

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

you hate gay people?

your porn collection says otherwise.

[Andraste_Reborn]

Ooo! Ooo! Talk to the surgeon when you get to Skyhold! I laughed. She's all, "Good diet, exercise, and a balance of the humors is what's necessary to keep you healthy. Science is the future, not magic." She's the medieval Bill Nye.

 

Ahaha! I didn't know that! I must have missed her on my first run, I'll definitely look for her on my second. So near to the truth, and yet so far ...

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

1st and im guessing last post.

obviouse troll is obviouse.

 

theadas culture diffreantiates fron contry to contry but most people tent to not realy care ware you stick it or who you snog. 

[commander_kitten]

i dont know man, i like dragon age coz its fuuuuuuuuun. ist that enough reason to play? (to me at least because i'm a shallow piece of sh*t)

[TEWR]

Look on the brightside. It's not a romance thread. 

 

Not yet it isn't.

 

...I'm sure something can be arranged though.

[Willowhugger]

Actually, I think OP wants the discrimination against homosexuality to just be more rampant in universe.

 

Still, not Bioware's problem. 

I'd like to state now I think making Tevinter homophobic was a stupid move and diminishes my enjoyment of the game.

Sorry guys.

But there's no reason for it, IMHO, and makes the games lesser.

[GrinningRogue]

Not yet it isn't.

 

...I'm sure something can be arranged though.

Dorian romance?

[Lady Artifice]

I'd like to state now I think making Tevinter homophobic was a stupid move and diminishes my enjoyment of the game.

Sorry guys.

But there's no reason for it, IMHO, and makes the games lesser.

 

 

You didn't like how it played into Dorian's personal quest?

 

Hmm...I'm indisputably biased, but I was impressed with it. I usually like it when Bioware writes prejudices into their stories. As prejudices go, they tend to be pretty nuanced.

 

I thought it fit with Tevinter's MO to be like, "yeah it's okay to be that way with a slave, but not an actual person". 

[StopCallingMeHarold]

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After all with Bethesda Games you just go a temple, regardless of your gender or that of your prospective spouse, and you get married and you get a ability buff.. thats it .. and to ask you spouse to cook for you - and if they can give you money-- that's it ..
 
 

Now I'm confused between reality and fantasy. Is this not the way it's supposed to work? I was using these relationships as a guideline.

[Lilaeth]

OK, the thing is, Thedas is not Our World.  It might have elements that equate to similar elements of Our World, but they are still different worlds.  So your believing that gay people will always be discriminated against is irrelevant, if the creators of Thedas say otherwise.  They make the rules for Thedas.  If you want to play in Thedas, you have to abide by the rules they have set for Thedas.  Suck it up.

[Willowhugger]

You didn't like how it played into Dorian's personal quest?

 

Hmm...I'm indisputably biased, but I was impressed with it. I usually like it when Bioware writes prejudices into their stories. As prejudices go, they tend to be pretty nuanced.

 

I thought it fit with Tevinter's MO to be like, "yeah it's okay to be that way with a slave, but not an actual person". 

I guess it would have been better, for me, admittedly a straight male gamer, if Dorian had just been allowed to be this awesome homosexual male mage nobleman.

And his sexuality was just a part of him.

Basically, more like Sera.

[draken-heart]

I'd like to state now I think making Tevinter homophobic was a stupid move and diminishes my enjoyment of the game.
Sorry guys.

But there's no reason for it, IMHO, and makes the games lesser.

 
I know you have been responded to, but I think Dorian explains it quite well in his quest where you meet daddy. He says that every family is trying to produce the perfect mage (mind, body, et cetera). It would make sense to not want a gay person or lesbian exist, as they do not contribute to that dream/goal.

I guess it would have been better, for me, admittedly a straight male gamer, if Dorian had just been allowed to be this awesome homosexual male mage nobleman.
And his sexuality was just a part of him.

Basically, more like Sera.

Again, It is important because of what the goal of the tevinter families is. To create the perfect mage, one has to have children, meaning that Dorian being gay is a problem in tevinter, and he is not attracted to women and thus is unable/unwilling to produce that perfect mage/possible perfect mage.

[Willowhugger]

 
I know you have been responded to, but I think Dorian explains it quite well in his quest where you meet daddy. He says that every family is trying to produce the perfect mage (mind, body, et cetera). It would make sense to not want a gay person or lesbian exist, as they do not contribute to that dream/goal.

Again, It is important because of what the goal of the tevinter families is. To create the perfect mage, one has to have children, meaning that Dorian being gay is a problem in tevinter, and he is not attracted to women and thus is unable/unwilling to produce that perfect mage/possible perfect mage.

I didn't say it was badly written.

I'm just saying that I'd have done the story differently.

Honestly, remove the homosexuality element and Dorian's story plays exactly the same.

"I don't want to be a Magister or whatever" and you could still have his father brainwash him.

[draken-heart]

I didn't say it was badly written.
I'm just saying that I'd have done the story differently.
Honestly, remove the homosexuality element and Dorian's story plays exactly the same.

"I don't want to be a Magister or whatever" and you could still have his father brainwash him.

true, but it is still important due to that fact. He does not want to play pretend, marry a woman and have hide his sexual orientation. That part would have to be written to not involve the play pretend.

[Willowhugger]

true, but it is still important due to that fact. He does not want to play pretend, marry a woman and have hide his sexual orientation. That part would have to be written to not involve the play pretend.

 

Maybe.

I guess I felt that the game was trying a little too hard. Sera being a lesbian doesn't make her less awesome and the game doesn't feel the need to explain to me, the gamer why it's wrong to hate on Sera.

Ditto Zevran, who is just a bisexual man and it's a part of him.

I guess I felt Dorian's quest is a little, too, "And this is why it's bad to try and make people not gay."

 

When I was thinking, "No, duh."

 

It's an important message but I was hoping the game would let the fact Dorian is an awesome dude who's homosexuality is part of why he's a great guy stand on its own.

[draken-heart]

Maybe.

I guess I felt that the game was trying a little too hard. Sera being a lesbian doesn't make her less awesome and the game doesn't feel the need to explain to me, the gamer why it's wrong to hate on Sera.
Ditto Zevran, who is just a bisexual man and it's a part of him.
I guess I felt Dorian's quest is a little, too, "And this is why it's bad to try and make people not gay."
 
When I was thinking, "No, duh."
 
It's an important message but I was hoping the game would let the fact Dorian is an awesome dude who's homosexuality is part of why he's a great guy stand on its own.

Sera does not even mention her being a lesbian, at least if you never flirt with her, outside of the Qunari Comment (which in my opinion means nothing except she likes women, and bisexual women like women.

And outside of his quest, he is still an awesome guy. I like that he cares about his country enough to work with the Inquisition to try to help save it from the evil venatori, and show them there is a better way.

Dorian's personal quest in that regard is about why he does not get along with his family, and why he is essentially out in Southern Thedas. His being gay is the reason. It would be like if Sera was a DALISH elf and got exiled from her clan for being a lesbian, or in the real world, a gay/lesbian person coming out to religious parents and getting disowned.