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[frylock23]

While I agree with the OP to a point, I don't think there is no place for the sexuality as presented in the DA universe. I think for the most part it's been handled well. I do wish that instead of Dorian's father coming after him because Dorian simply refused to marry and Dorian's father tried blood magic to "modify" his orientation ... I think it would have fit the universe much more if it had been Dorian's wife coming for him.

 

Think about it. We have been told (and shown if you run the Hinterlands) that marriage is still an arrangement for continuing the line and begetting children. How much more appropriate would it have been if Dorian's wife couldn't handle the reality of who he was and was the one who tried to "modify" him via blood magic rather then letting him be himself and learning to be content with what she could get from him? It would have fit the universe we got much better in terms of how the game lore is presented. And Dorian shows that he is capable of forming a deep friendship with the Inquisitor ... if that had been his intended, would he have been able to satisfy the marriage requirement of "heir and spare" if both agreed to take the role of friends and find love where they could after that?

 

Wouldn't that have been a better fit to the lore with mostly the same themes?

 

Heck, you want feels? Maybe Dorian and his wife were friends and she committed the cardinal sin of falling for him and then trying to change him ... it would have shown how destructive it can be to pretend to be what you're not for the sake of appearances and tradition.

 

But instead, BioWare went with the easy route to make it directly applicable to our world instead of the one they built.

[Colonelkillabee]

While I agree that would have been an interesting spin, I don't see how it would fit the lore any more or less than it being his father. It makes sense with it being his father because his son is supposed to be his legacy. I got feels from this for certain because I can understand dealing with the reality of your son's sexuality being tough, but father and son not getting along, is already a tragedy to me, let alone having the father try and change their son with such drastic measures. Truly sad.

[Gaesesagai]

*snip*

 

But instead, BioWare went with the easy route to make it directly applicable to our world instead of the one they built.

 

About a wife coming after him, it would have had no impact on how the lore is depicted in the game. For better or worse. It would have been a major change in his character though. If you don't see what exactly that change is and how the Dorian as he is now would be so different from that Dorian... well, think about it.

 

The "easy route"? Really? There's nothing easy about that route. It was an incredibly delicate matter to tackle and Bioware did a great job. And for people who are familiar with that type of situation in real life or possess empathy, there's nothing easy about that story in terms of the "reality" of it (meaning the narrative itself, and irrelevant on whether you're talking about in game universe or the real world).

[errantknight]

The obvious parallel was a little heavy handed, I agree. At the same time, it wasn't a bad thing to get people to think about, given how often bullshit like that happens, and while not entirely graceful, it DID fit with the world. Magister daddy would want grandkids pretty damn badly.

[SpiritMuse]

While I agree with the OP to a point, I don't think there is no place for the sexuality as presented in the DA universe. I think for the most part it's been handled well. I do wish that instead of Dorian's father coming after him because Dorian simply refused to marry and Dorian's father tried blood magic to "modify" his orientation ... I think it would have fit the universe much more if it had been Dorian's wife coming for him.
 
Think about it. We have been told (and shown if you run the Hinterlands) that marriage is still an arrangement for continuing the line and begetting children. How much more appropriate would it have been if Dorian's wife couldn't handle the reality of who he was and was the one who tried to "modify" him via blood magic rather then letting him be himself and learning to be content with what she could get from him? It would have fit the universe we got much better in terms of how the game lore is presented. And Dorian shows that he is capable of forming a deep friendship with the Inquisitor ... if that had been his intended, would he have been able to satisfy the marriage requirement of "heir and spare" if both agreed to take the role of friends and find love where they could after that?
 
Wouldn't that have been a better fit to the lore with mostly the same themes?
 
Heck, you want feels? Maybe Dorian and his wife were friends and she committed the cardinal sin of falling for him and then trying to change him ... it would have shown how destructive it can be to pretend to be what you're not for the sake of appearances and tradition.
 
But instead, BioWare went with the easy route to make it directly applicable to our world instead of the one they built.

No but see the point is that Dorian doesn't even want to go that far - his refusal to enter into a sham marriage for appearances sake is pretty much why he had the falling out with his family in the first place.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Anyone want to tell me why i should give a f*ck who anyone sleeps whith consentualy?   

[Lady Artifice]

No but see the point is that Dorian doesn't even want to go that far - his refusal to enter into a sham marriage for appearances sake is pretty much why he had the falling out with his family in the first place.

 

 

This. Oh so much. 

 

Dorian's personal integrity is a huge part of his character arc.

[RenAdaar]

you know we should ignore threads like these. that way the trolls will starve to death from lack of attention and go extinct.  

[Kierro Ren]

 

Soo... this is why Solas looks like, a bald Benedict Cumberbatch. The gay posts's stress levels, were OVER 900!!!

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Its over 9000 newb. lol

nah this way we over feed them and they explode.

yeh know like that guy from Seven.

[Lady Artifice]

This thread needs more Dorian.

 

Dorian as drawn by Andrew Ryan.

 

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[Decepticon Leader Sully]

needs more Sera too.

[daveliam]

This thread needs more Dorian.

 

Dorian as drawn by Andrew Ryan.

 

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Will you please stop shoving that sexy gay agenda down my throat......? 

[Monica21]

Will you please stop shoving that sexy gay agenda down my throat......? 

 

Just work on relaxing your gag reflex.

[AutumnWitch]

(I know I will probably get a warning for this but...)

 

Hey OP!

 

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[Lady Artifice]

Will you please stop shoving that sexy gay agenda down my throat......? 

 

 

I can't stop. It's like a compulsion. 

 

 

This one by Ymirr has Peacock feathers...and chest hair.

 

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What are people's thoughts regarding Dorian and chest hair? Better without or with?

[Efvie]

Seems like a straight people issue then. Start having more babies, straight people!

 

 Funny, although in seriousness the baby factory role for women was quite horrible.

 

Anyway, this may come as a surprise to some, but gay people can have kids too.

[Lady Artifice]

Just work on relaxing your gag reflex.

 

And wouldn't you know, I just ran out of likes.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Im not likeing it that git stole my joke. 

(I know I will probably get a warning for this but...)

 

Hey OP!

 

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I object.. lip pirceings are sooo 90s

[Lady Artifice]

Ohhhh, no more seriousness. This thread isn't entitled to it anymore.

 

OP posted an over long diatribe about his wish for more realism in the fantasy setting, and can't even be bothered to stick around and defend it. 

 

OP has bad form, and their thread doesn't deserve to be dignified with earnest discussion.

 

 

Edit: Oh, don't mind me. I'm a little tipsy. Obviously you're entitled to discuss earnestly if you feel like it. 

[daveliam]

Just work on relaxing your gag reflex.

 

Not a problem.....

 

I can't stop. It's like a compulsion. 

 

 

This one by Ymirr has Peacock feathers...and chest hair.

 

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What are people's thoughts regarding Dorian and chest hair? Better without or with?

 

ALWAYS better with the chest hair.  There is literally no situation where no chest hair is the better option. 

[Monica21]

Edit: Oh, don't mind me. I'm a little tipsy. Obviously you're entitled to discuss earnestly if you feel like it. 

 

Hey, it's Christmas, I'm drinking grapefruit beer and debating what kind of antics I want to get into if I do the Winter Palace tonight. It'll be awesome. Tipsy is fun!

[Monica21]

Not a problem.....

 

 

psst... do you have any tips? because... Nevermind... 

[WildOrchid]

(I know I will probably get a warning for this but...)

 

Hey OP!

 

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Hot.

[Inanna Athanasia]

I love Dorian's character and in so many ways he reminds me of my elder brother who is also a wonderful witty and endearing homosexual who has class, charm and well yeah, Dorian in real life. Anyway, when Dorian has the convo where he tells you he couldn't put on the show while he was screaming on the inside hit me hard. In the moment I know longer saw him as a game character, he became someone like my Brother who should be allowed to be who he is, inside and out. So yeah, I think it is handled the right way in the game and I think it speaks volumes that he is shown as an intelligent human and not the fruity gay man some would stereotype all gay men as.