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[Willowhugger]

Okay, spoilers for Cassandra's quest, obviously.

Anyone who doesn't want them should leave.

Everyone else?

So, what did people think of the secrets of the Seekers? For me that moved the Seekers from being glorified MPs to being genuine badasses. I never understood why Lambert was acting like he had the authority to dissolve the Accord when the Templars should be acting according to their Knight Commanders but the revelation the Seekers are serving as some sort of Dan Brown-esque Catholic Illuminati makes perfect sense and fits with the idea they're the REAL remnants of the Inquisition.

 

Lambert would have the power to dissolve the Accord because the Seekers probably have the same amount of influence as the Inquisitor, he's just keeping it secret.

 

It also raises the question of whether the Seekers should be reformed. I told Cassandra to remake the Seekers as a force for good but, frankly, I think it would have been better to just have them be a part of the Inquisition. I don't see what sort of benefit there is to having them there doing the same job as the Inquisition.

[The Baconer]

In my mind, the revelation took them from over-hyped kings of "informed ability" to a bunch of fraudulent, colluding snakes. I'm fine with pillaging their knowledge of the Rite, and letting them stay dead.

 

Fortunately, even if the choice is made to reform them, the implication seems to be that they are reborn as an independent faction, meaning they no longer have the power to hijack the Templars.

[Willowhugger]

I am curious whether the Templars and Seekers will be butting heads with each other or the Inquisition now.

 

The Seekers' sole purpose is to monitor the Templars for corruption.

 

Templars, at least exist to watch mages and demons.

But that's what the Inquisition does now.

 

Even if the Templars are reborn, you'd think most would want to stay with the Inquisition since its the same job but better pay.

[The Baconer]

I am curious whether the Templars and Seekers will be butting heads with each other or the Inquisition now.

 

The Seekers' sole purpose is to monitor the Templars for corruption.

 

Templars, at least exist to watch mages and demons.

But that's what the Inquisition does now.

 

Hmm... I don't think it's certain that the Inquisition replaces the Seekers. At least, I don't recall the ending slides saying as much.

 

 

Even if the Templars are reborn, you'd think most would want to stay with the Inquisition since its the same job but better pay.

 

Depends on the ending.

[Willowhugger]

 

Hmm... I don't think it's certain that the Inquisition replaces the Seekers. At least, I don't recall the ending slides saying as much.

Well Cassandra's Seekers are going to be fighting injustice and protecting the innocent.

Not monitoring the Templars.

They'll be Seekers in name only, at least in terms of what they used to do. It's like if the Jedi used to be Senate guards and then became wandering samurai.

[The Baconer]

Well Cassandra's Seekers are going to be fighting injustice and protecting the innocent.

Not monitoring the Templars.

They'll be Seekers in name only, at least in terms of what they used to do. It's like if the Jedi used to be Senate guards and then became wandering samurai.

 

Cassandra's new Seeker Order, at least going by the limited information given in the slide, just doesn't make sense.

 

No truly defined goal, no reason for any crown to recognize their authority beyond possible connections to the Inquisition, no description of how they plan to whatever it is they intend to do, and no guarantee that they'll remain organized and lawful as soon as Cassandra's gone.

[Willowhugger]

I mean, it would make sense if they're going to be "Inquisitional" Seekers to go along with Inquisitional Templars.

But I agree, if they're indie, then it makes no sense.

 

Also, how is Cassandra going to sell their new "open and honest" policy re: The initiation.

"Join the Seekers. First we have to lobotomize you, then have an extradimensional parasite touch you."

[rpgfan321]

I thought it kind of made sense how their powers worked. I was curious when Cassandra kept repeating to me that seekers can use templar abilities without the lyrium. Like how? 

 

That tome was thick. I wonder what other secrets the first Inquisition found out in their duration. But the big secret is the foundation on seeker powers, and I guess, much like the Grey Wardens, not a lot of people are keen on being made tranquil first. 

[AlexiaRevan]

I told Cass that it was her decision..not mine . Even as the leader of the Inquisition....considering the burden of what was in the book.....and the blame and everything , it was her decision to make . 

 

With Cass who has the gut to own up to past errors and have a clearer visions....it may end up better . Wont be easy..for the remaining Seekers (if any are left) would agree with her . 

 

But fixing at least what was in the book and using it as a 'Never do this again'....is a good start . 

 

Compared to many others factions who just wanna go back to a broken old system..there is more hope for the seekers with Cassandra leadinng then any others factions . 

[Reznore57]

One of the most curious thing is ...the occularum are made of tranquil skulls.

But there's a ritual , the tranquil has to get posessed and then quickly killed.(They said posessed by a demon , but since demons and spirits are basicaly the same thing , I assume a spirit would get the job done)

 

With those skulls you can see really ancient fragment of keys used by ancient elves.

So errrr...what's the deal with that exactly?

 

What happens to Seekers is the same (without the dying business) and as a perk they can no longer get posessed , and have power over lyrium .

Now it seems the Seekers have no mages in their rank so it's possible it could have other effect on mages.

Such as being able to see really ancient stuff no one else can.But since some inviduals from Tevinter figured out part of the ritual and are not going through the ritual themselves, I guess mages  can get seriously damaged .

[Br3admax]

Cassandra's new Seeker Order, at least going by the limited information given in the slide, just doesn't make sense.

 

No truly defined goal, no reason for any crown to recognize their authority beyond possible connections to the Inquisition, no description of how they plan to whatever it is they intend to do, and no guarantee that they'll remain organized and lawful as soon as Cassandra's gone.

Not that disbanding them matters. "The Silver Shield," will probably end the same. 

[azarhal]

One of the most curious thing is ...the occularum are made of tranquil skulls.

But there's a ritual , the tranquil has to get posessed and then quickly killed.(They said posessed by a demon , but since demons and spirits are basicaly the same thing , I assume a spirit would get the job done)

 

With those skulls you can see really ancient fragment of keys used by ancient elves.

So errrr...what's the deal with that exactly?

 

What happens to Seekers is the same (without the dying business) and as a perk they can no longer get posessed , and have power over lyrium .

Now it seems the Seekers have no mages in their rank so it's possible it could have other effect on mages.

Such as being able to see really ancient stuff no one else can.But since some inviduals from Tevinter figured out part of the ritual and are not going through the ritual themselves, I guess mages  can get seriously damaged .

 

We don't know if they were not mages, lots of mages don't discover their powers until their teenage years, but the Seekers seems to go through to rite young. Some could be mages without knowing it. It could even explain why the failure rate is so high too, it's not just the year of seclusion, maybe only "mages" ends up with powers after getting "cured" from the rite.

 

Cassandra end up saying it's just magic later in the game in a banter with Solas anyway. I'm much more interested in how this was discovered personally. Seems more like finding something when trying to do something else to me.

 

I also wonder about their evil alter-ego: The Order of Fiery Promise who want to bring the end of the world to cleanse it. They get destroyed and reborn over and over again though the ages, as if someone is keeping them alive in the background. They only show up in Cassandra's personal quest and it feels like we are going to see them again, mostly because they didn't need to be there, having the Red Templars and Lucius as antagonists in the quest would have been enough.

 

Also, when it comes to Cassandra's rare gift of affecting lyrium, I get puzzled. We learn that lyrium is organic in DAI and red lyrium spread like a fungus in a body. Solas call it all the magic in the world (minus the one done by mages) in a banter with Varric. Dagna claims mages all have natural lyrium in their bodies. I don't see how Cassandra could set it aflame, although Dagna's idea that lyrium is trying to flow somewhere might be that Cassandra just free it to do so.

[Colonelkillabee]

Not really on topic per say, but what I noticed the most was how beautiful that level was. The dawn light was very very pretty and made everything in that place look fantastic.

 

As for the rest, I wasn't surprised really. But I do like the idea that Seekers were mages prior to their "harrowing". It's just the kind of irony that tickles my pickle.

[thesuperdarkone2]

So what will the Seekers do if Leliana becomes divine? She makes the circles independent so the mages won't be watched by Templars so Seekers aren't needed to monitor circles. 

[Br3admax]

We don't know if they were not mages, lots of mages don't discover their powers until their teenage years, but the Seekers seems to go through to rite young. Some could be mages without knowing it. It could even explain why the failure rate is so high too, it's not just the year of seclusion, maybe only "mages" ends up with powers after getting "cured" from the rite.

That doesn't make any sense, and magic shows up well before the teenage years. Magic matures then, but it's apparent when they are very young. 

 

So what will the Seekers do if Leliana becomes divine? She makes the circles independent so the mages won't be watched by Templars so Seekers aren't needed to monitor circles. 

Lol, whatever they want. Like always. 

[dragonflight288]

I thought Seekers powers came when they are cured of tranquility by a Spirit of Faith. They are possessed in a way Wynne was. And it is this that makes it impossible for them to be mind controlled or possessed, but the Spirit leaves them alone for the most part, like it did with Wynne. 

[azarhal]

Nope. They're 'touched' by Faith whatever that means. I suspect it's closer to what happened with Karl/Anders in DA2, but with permanent restoration. Maybe the Faith spirit willingly cures the prospective Seeker of Tranquility?

 

Lucius believed they are abominations, that's the reason he decide to kill all the Seekers and join Corypheus.

[Br3admax]

They aren't literal abominations. And he decided to kill all the Seekers and join Corypheus because he thought the Seekers were corrupt. Which they were. Cassandra even points this fact out. 

[The Baconer]

Not that disbanding them matters. "The Silver Shield," will probably end the same. 

 

I didn't get anything about the "Silver Shield" in my ending, so I don't even know what that's about.

 

 

Nope. They're 'touched' by Faith whatever that means. I suspect it's closer to what happened with Karl/Anders in DA2, but with permanent restoration. Maybe the Faith spirit willingly cures the prospective Seeker of Tranquility?

 

I have some doubts regarding this, because it's inconsistent with everything that we know of regarding curing Tranquility, merging, and possession.

 

This is why I wanted to pillage the knowledge in the book myself, because now their tradition of enforcing ignorance on the subject continues.

[dragonflight288]

They aren't literal abominations. And he decided to kill all the Seekers and join Corypheus because he thought the Seekers were corrupt. Which they were. Cassandra even points this fact out. 

 

Well of course not, when it's established in lore that only mages become abominations.