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[Kierro Ren]

One is too many!

Why did we stop hanging them anyway?

 

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

 

Seriously uncalled-for

[sandalisthemaker]

What is the point of this thread OP?  You think that gay content is threatening to overtake 'your' game?

[DaemionMoadrin]

So? It doesn't invalidate my point that Freedom of Speech/Expression doesn't protect you from all consequences. It does not protect you if you break other laws, like giving a speech that incites a riot or riling up people or insulting a person or misinformation to cause harm etc...

 

This human right only applies when dealing with governments. It does not apply to the conduct between private persons, companies or institutions. It certaintly doesn't include the infringement of rights.

 

Freedom of Speech is not a shield to hide behind, it is not an excuse to "only say what I think". Everyone is accountable for their actions, this includes the things they say.

 

How often have we seen someone make a discriminatory statement and then followed up with, "Hey, Freedom of Speech."? That's the part I dislike.

[sandalisthemaker]

No need for that. no where did the OP state that. Really don't need to turn this thread into one of those threads.

 

Well then enlighten me. What does "just enough" mean.

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

What is the point of this thread OP?  You think that gay content is threatening to overtake 'your' game?

Point was to ask community for a favor. I mean, to stop those passionate discussions in nearby topics if Bioware should change LI's sexual preferences towards gay. 

It turned out that I misunderstood LBGT game community purpose, which was to suggest something new for the next Bioware game. In this case those discussions are more than just fine.

 

So I guess now this thread may serve as a reminder for two things:
1. It's easy to lose your mind and manners in a debate;

2. It takes a little nerve and a lot of will to aknowledge your flaws.

 

Ah. And ofc 3: express your thoughts as sharp as you can, otherwise you can be misunderstood.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Very true, it doesn't protect you from the consequences. Doesn't mean someone shouldn't voice their opinion.

 

No law, no UDHR, nothing protects anyone from anything. You can call my children ingrates if you wanted that's fine, wouldn't stop me from throwing a brick even though I'd be the one going to jail since the "law" protects your right to say it.

 

Freedom of Speech was not used as a shield to hide behind in terms of deflecting consequence. I said it(well typed it) in terms of the OP changing what was originally said because the first page of posters attacked him/her for saying whatever it was she/he said. I simply stated he/she doesn't have to change his words and opinions just because it made people angry, and you took it as using a "shield" to hide behind. I don't know where your wanting to go with this direction?

 

Nope, if I insulted your kids I would be breaking a law and be the guilty party. You throwing a brick at me is an entirely different matter. Also, please don't do that.

 

You brought Freedom of Speech up as an argument for the OP being able to express his opinion here. As I tried to explain in previous posts, it doesn't apply here, thus it isn't a valid argument.

 

I am all for people voicing their opinions, for discussions and arguments. They should keep it civil though, it doesn't help any if people are being discriminatory, insulting or obnoxious.

[Grieving Natashina]

I can see where this is heading, so I'll just leave you all with this cute picture of a basset hound:

 

Spoiler

 

 

OP, you might want to duck and cover.  While I know you had good (if misworded) intentions, this is going to get ugly fast.

[Kierro Ren]

-__-' How about we do this, shut our lips enjoy Christmas, Xmas, Winter Solstice, Hanukkah or WTFever you call it. If your Athiest, Thiest, Buddhist, Hindu, Antrastian, Qunari, Black, White, Asian, all those in between, furries. WTFever. Kiss your boyfriend(s), girlfriend(s). Drink eggnog *sips his* Ooo, too much spice. Hm, refreshing tho. *coughs* Point being, CouncillorTevos made a simple question. I'm bi, and I'm more offended by 70% of the spazoids, than Tevos's question to which wasn't. So... please... PLEASE, let this be the last message on here. 

[sandalisthemaker]

I can see where this is heading, so I'll just leave you all with this cute picture of a basset hound:

 

Spoiler

 

 

OP, you might want to duck and cover.  While I know you had good (if misworded) intentions, this is going to get ugly fast.

 

Meh. It's Christmas. I'm not going to argue or anything. I will just presume that OP wants equal options for everyone and leave it at that.

[Monica21]

Freedom of speech doesn't apply here, for the most part, because you have to agree to Terms of Use when you register, and those terms generally involve not being a **** to other people. "I have freedom of speech!" is an uninformed argument for any kind of moderated public forum.

[Lunatic Lace]

I'm slightly confused on the OP's point, probably because the wording is just strange (I'm chalking that up to English not being their first language). This feedback is based off of the comments sort of translating the meaning of it, so if I got it wrong I apologize in advance.

 

I would rather Bioware keep their characters the way that they were developed as individuals to be, including sexuality, rather than just try to fill in "needed slots" so that everyone gets the same amount in fairness. If a character is written as straight, and it makes sense for them to be straight, then that's what they should be. If a character is gay, it makes sense to their character, let them be gay. If they're bisexual, let them be bisexual. It shouldn't be about editing or changing things just to keep all of it even. Everyone should have representation, I wholeheartedly believe in this, but I would prefer well-written and rounded characters that make sense than having something edited or cut just to even things out. 

 

The idea of limiting to one of each, just to keep it even, when there is a possibility for something greater in game and character development is kind of disconcerting. If a game ends up having five homosexual romances and three straight ones, if it fits to the characters then by all means.

 

I also don't think anything should get patched in to change what's already been released as far as in game development, I just wish more people were open to the harmless interpretations other people have of certain characters. I guess sometimes it's too much to ask for people to try and understand it from the POVs of others.

[errantknight]

Some very reasonable people clarified what the op meant with him and said some very reasonable things. It would be a shame if things got out of hand now because people weren't reading the previous pages.

[Gaesesagai]

I like how OP portrays himself/herself as a victim and insulting everyone else in a few seemingly innocent lines. It's actually quite good for someone who says has problems with english.

 

 

Point was to ask community for a favor. I mean, to stop those passionate discussions in nearby topics if Bioware should change LI's sexual preferences towards gay. 

It turned out that I misunderstood LBGT game community purpose, which was to suggest something new for the next Bioware game. In this case those discussions are more than just fine.

 

So I guess now this thread may serve as a reminder for two things:
1. It's easy to lose your mind and manners in a debate;

2. It takes a little nerve and a lot of will to aknowledge your flaws.

 

Ah. And ofc 3: express your thoughts as sharp as you can, otherwise you can be misunderstood.

 

 

I mean really, the content here is just rich.

He wanted to ask the gay community for a favor... It's just funny really. Am I to assume he/she is what? Spokesperson for the str8 community? I'm puzzled.

The gay community's purpose... Gah why has no one told me? Sheesh, I will so bring this up at the next Secret Gay Council Meeting. I'm still not getting that update email to the new email address I gave. They should inform me when there's changes in our purpose and agenda.

 

And now my favorite part.

It's a good thing he/she explains what the moral of the story is. I for one am too dumb so I need some help and appreciate it.

Don't lose your mind and manners in a debate. This is a life changer really. It's too deep for me to comprehend right away but I will work on it. I'm sure it's not a wink wink hint at people disagreeing with him/her.

His/her second point. What can I say, I do appreciate honesty and modesty in people. He/she is sharing some of that and I for one am grateful.

As for sharp thoughts, I don't know. Surely few people can match such remarcable ideas and concepts like OP seems to have. The fact that he/she wanted to tell the wicked gays to shut up about their stupid icky romances so that Bioware doesn't do more of those and blast him/her with them (I mean really now, they have so many gays in this game, wtf more do they want? sheesh) but then when confronted about it decided to backtrack (it's the first time ever I've seen someone go back on their... oh wait...) is purely a figment of my imagination. Surely.

 

Anywho, this is meant as something funny and not at all a jab at OP. Obviously who doesn't agree, "misunderstands" me. 

 

Now, all joking aside, as I was writing this silly post I was thinking about the whole thing and I'm going for definite overkill here, but whatever. It's xmas, I feel generous.

[In Exile]

What is the point of this thread OP? You think that gay content is threatening to overtake 'your' game?

We're just shoving our gay content down his throat. He can't take it. It's just making him gag. It's really a shame.

[In Exile]

Very true, it doesn't protect you from the consequences. Doesn't mean someone shouldn't voice their opinion.

No law, no UDHR, nothing protects anyone from anything. You can call my children ingrates if you wanted that's fine, wouldn't stop me from throwing a brick even though I'd be the one going to jail since the "law" protects your right to say it.

Freedom of Speech was not used as a shield to hide behind in terms of deflecting consequence. I said it(well typed it) in terms of the OP changing what was originally said because the first page of posters attacked him/her for saying whatever it was she/he said. I simply stated he/she doesn't have to change his words and opinions just because it made people angry, and you took it as using a "shield" to hide behind. I don't know where your wanting to go with this direction?


*Edit* and Yes, I can say something discriminatory if I wanted to(even though I didn't). It's up to the forum mods working for bioware to determine what the consequence of that said remark would be as the forums are their property that is their right. It is not the forum users job to determine who gets to say what and when.

You'd go to jail for throwing a brick because throwing bricks at people is assault. That has nothing to do with speech.

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

Anywho, this is meant as something funny and not at all a jab at OP. Obviously who doesn't agree, "misunderstands" me. 

 

Now, all joking aside, as I was writing this silly post I was thinking about the whole thing and I'm going for definite overkill here, but whatever. It's xmas, I feel generous.

Let me thank you for all your kind words about me in the first place. It's been a while back I got quite a high reception for my English.

Most people agree that I'm not any good in it. You know, those 'poor vocabulary' issues and such on. 

 

As fo the second - when I say 'we' I don't speak for everyone but you. When I say 'we' I speak for myself and a little but organized franchise fanbase here in Mari. 

I don't really think I have to prove anything for a random internet troll tho, so consider last lines as a clarifying thesis. 

 

When I am speaking about gay community purpose in those discussions I mean what I've summed up from a feedback here. Easy, right? Ask some LBGT community members to define a purpose of troubling topics and sum those up. 

It's a shame you are still that offensive. Maybe you should watch some ponies to start thinking somewhat clear and friendly :3

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

Some very reasonable people clarified what the op meant with him and said some very reasonable things. It would be a shame if things got out of hand now because people weren't reading the previous pages.

Those agressives that put up a fight aren't reading messages to get a point. They're after wicked fun they call 'trolling'. 

Bet this isn't a type when 'wicked is good'.

[b10d1v]

Isn't it "Funny" that we can see or interpret things so differently even when we are on the same page!  

 

Personally, I see too much on the hormonal issues and not enough on the relationship building ones.  I feel forced into a romance when it isn't necessary and this page has good examples of finding common ground.

[Lord Surinen]

I partially agree with you. There is enough of them, in fact there is too many of them. My straight character who prefers straight companions gets only one straight female romance: Cassandra and she is not even appriopriately feminine to fulfill my taste. I think that BioWare should change its statement from 'we don't want to cater to majority of population' to 'we are sorry, our biggest monetary contributors, here are your straight female romances'. It does not sit well with me and I feel that my money supported the agenda I wholeheartedly oppose with every fiber of my existence.

[Lunatic Lace]

I partially agree with you. There is enough of them, in fact there is too many of them. My straight character who prefers straight companions gets only one straight female romance: Cassandra and she is not even appriopriately feminine to fulfill my taste. I think that BioWare should change its statement from 'we don't want to cater to majority of population' to 'we are sorry, our biggest monetary contributors, here are your straight female romances'. It does not sit well with me and I feel that my money supported the agenda I wholeheartedly oppose with every fiber of my existence.

 

If you don't like the "agenda" that Bioware is supporting then maybe you should play something that caters more to your attitude. Like a board game. You make the decision to purchase these games, after Bioware has been "catering" to the masses for a number of years now, over several different games.