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[DaemionMoadrin]

Thank you for giving me matrimonial advices but I'm doing just fine.

 

No, I'm not a hypocrite, as I have said, I still have a bad taste after Morrigan and her promiscuous adventures into the city and all of that 'independent' stuff she was forcing on me(she was not 'cute' not my 'type' and I have romanced her anyway). As you have said, everybody was non straight in DAII (maybe except Sebastian?). It was a lesser evil to accept her. Much bigger problem, from the elvhen perspective was to accept Merrill as race traitor who has decided to breed with Hawke instead other elf, but considering I was RP as Hawke, i got possibly what I wanted, a human offspring. Don't make it about cute but about whole of her; personality and behaviour.

 

You can trust me on this: if Aveline(that ugly godzilla) was straight and romanceable then I would pick her over Merrill.

 

Seriously now. I think your view of women got stuck somewhere in the 1950s. Hey, are you okay with women voting and having a job or do they only exist to breed, raise the kids and look after the household?

I understand not liking Morrigan but your reason for that is that she's a strong, independent woman. What the hell, man? Women aren't automatically submissive to men, if you want something like that, then you're in the wrong world. Fantasy or otherwise. Maybe have a look at Gor.

 

Yep, Sebastian was straight and wanted a chaste marriage. No sex. Nope. Not ever.

 

If your beliefs were as firm as you stated in previous posts, then you would have skipped having a romance completely. You can not argue about only wanting straight women as love interests and then romancing Merrill.

 

Still a hypocrite.

 

Btw... Merrill is a race traitor? WTF. Come on man, don't tell me you're racist, too. That's like twice the douchebag quota in one guy, you can't do that. Not even on BSN. That's too much.

 

Holy ****, why am I even talking to you? ... I need an ignore button... now.

[daveliam]

Oh my.  What did I miss?  You know what?  Probably best to not sweat it today.  Happy holidays to all who are celebrating today. 

 

Bigots are free to troll.  Ain't gonna get me down on a holiday. 

[Monica21]

Yep, Sebastian was straight and wanted a chaste marriage. No sex. Nope. Not ever.

 

 

Not the way I romanced him! *har har*

[Lord Surinen]

Your priorities in life are to get upset about the existence of gay romances in a video game, that you could easily avoid encountering by not engaging in them. That seems healthy. Definitely nothing ludicrous about that.

Games are medium like any other. I don't like agendas in the tv shows I I like, not in the movies and games too. Healthy is to confront, not avoid.

 

Seriously now. I think your view of women got stuck somewhere in the 1950s. Hey, are you okay with women voting and having a job or do they only exist to breed, raise the kids and look after the household?

I understand not liking Morrigan but your reason for that is that she's a strong, independent woman. What the hell, man? Women aren't automatically submissive to men, if you want something like that, then you're in the wrong world. Fantasy or otherwise. Maybe have a look at Gor.

 

Yep, Sebastian was straight and wanted a chaste marriage. No sex. Nope. Not ever.

 

If your beliefs were as firm as you stated in previous posts, then you would have skipped having a romance completely. You can not argue about only wanting straight women as love interests and then romancing Merrill.

 

Still a hypocrite.

 

Btw... Merrill is a race traitor? WTF. Come on man, don't tell me you're racist, too. That's like twice the douchebag quota in one guy, you can't do that. Not even on BSN. That's too much.

 

Holy ****, why am I even talking to you? ... I need an ignore button... now.

Excuse me, but I will not discuss my preferences with you. I have answered because someone asked me. You ask  questions that can not be safely answered on the forums.

 

Please, let me remain the sole interpreter of my strong beliefs.As I have said, it was a lesser evil. To be perfectly honest with you. when I have romanced Merrill I did not know that all characters are non straight. I have learnt about it on these forums, during the month(last month) I have been writing here since the DA:I premiere (and I'm here only because male elf model issues). I knew about Fenris and Isabela, nothing about the rest. I did not even know about Sebastian's chastity. As I have said in one of my previous posts I avoid all spoilers before premiere and after I have not experienced problems with DAII so there was no need for me to be on the forums.

 

About race traitor: Elvhes of the DA universe can only breed elvhes with other elvhes. Union between Elf and Human results in human offspring. But yes, I most definately support Elvhen supremacy and revitalisation of Elvhenan.

[Kallas_br123]

I have no problem with the romance options in the game, I think cassadra is moderately attractive, josie is not classically beautiful, but it's cute.

Inclusion is not the problem, at least for me. but i have problem, and a big one with exaggeration, biowere so far not been beyond the limits (at least not for me) but in some moments came very close, as in the personal quest of Dorian be completely about him being gay, or case of krem that is an walking attack to the quanari lore. (he have no importance to the plot. he is there just to be a token character).

 

 

Again sorry for the bad english.

[Battlebloodmage]

While I can't comment on Krem. I'm partly agree with Dorian. We have 2 gay LI characters Cortez and Dorian and they both revolved around them being gay. None of the lesbian characters aw about them being lesbians. Someone said that it's like if Sera is a Dalish and got kicked out for being a lesbian and refuse to have kids with another male elf. I just want a gay character who happen to be gay.

[daveliam]

While I can't comment on Krem. I'm partly agree with Dorian. We have 2 gay LI characters Cortez and Dorian and they both revolved around them being gay. None of the lesbian characters aw about them being lesbians. Someone said that it's like if Sera is a Dalish and got kicked out for being a lesbian and refuse to have kids with another male elf. I just want a gay character who happen to be gay.

 

I disagree about Steve.  His story arc wasn't about him being gay.  It was about getting over his dead spouse (a la Carth, Jaheira, Sky, Thane, etc.).  It was classic Carth Syndrome.  He just happened to be gay. 

[Kallas_br123]

on another note, the social agenda of biowere (or just David Gaider, which to my knowledge is assumed social justice warrior) is becoming absurd, as in my last post I mentioned, krem, add the fact that we did not have desire demons anymore, times when the writing do not touch subjects like rape that are are just elucidated in passage notes, the restcon of Qunari lore to accommodate trans people. and these are the points that I noticed, probably have many more that have gone unnoticed by me. This politically correctness bullshit is the problem.

[Kierro Ren]

 

 krem that is an walking attack to the quanari lore. (he have no importance to the plot. he is there just to be a token character).

 

 

 

According to whom? DAO: Sten? He's a soldier, brought up different. Krem works for Bull, who's a Ben-Hassrath. So while not a convert, he's basically working as a Ben-Hassrath agent. Also, Qunari lore states it's rare, but not unheard of by having women soldiers. There's exceptions, most likely because those like Krem. I read the Qunari lore, almost everytime I post something about the Qunari. Especially, since I'm RPing as one. So, there's no lore breaking.

 

Also, Krem's not the first transgender, minus the elf prostitues in DAO n DA2. Varric's cousin-in-law Maevaris Tilani

 

Is a MTW human transgender, married to Varric's late cousin. 

[RINNZ]

BiowareMod03 pls. We don't need this kind of hostility from BOTH sides on the holidays. (Lord Surinen, Dave. )

[daveliam]

on another note, the social agenda of biowere (or just David Gaider, which to my knowledge is assumed social justice warrior) is becoming absurd, as in my last post I mentioned, krem, add the fact that we did not have desire demons anymore, times when the writing do not touch subjects like rape that are are just elucidated in passage notes, the restcon of Qunari lore to accommodate trans people. and these are the points that I noticed, probably have many more that have gone unnoticed by me. This politically correctness bullshit is the problem.

 

Simple solution........  If the games offend you so much, don't buy them.  Bioware (not just Gaider) has made it clear that this is the direction that their games are going.  Either deal with it.  Or don't buy the games.

[Monica21]

According to whom? DAO: Sten? He's a soldier, brought up different. Krem works for Bull, who's a Ben-Hassrath, so while not a convert, he's basically working as a Ben-Hassrath agent. Also, Qunari lore state it's rare, but not unheard of by having women soldiers. There's exceptions. I read the Qunari lore, almost everytime I post something about the Qunari. Especially, since I'm RPing as one. So, there's no lore breaking.

 

I was actually kind of confused by this too. If you're female in Origins, Sten makes a very clear point that he doesn't understand why you fight because you're a woman and fighting is outside your role. He goes on to say that everyone in the Qun has a role and that's who they are and  that you don't deviate from that role.

 

 

 

edit: Why would Sten's view of the Qun be different from Iron Bull's just because one's a soldier and one's a spy?

[Gaesesagai]

I disagree about Steve.  His story arc wasn't about him being gay.  It was about getting over his dead spouse (a la Carth, Jaheira, Sky, Thane, etc.).  It was classic Carth Syndrome.  He just happened to be gay. 

 

This.

When do the likes reset lol.

[Gaesesagai]

I was actually kind of confused by this too. If you're female in Origins, Sten makes a very clear point that he doesn't understand why you fight because you're a woman and fighting is outside your role. He goes on to say that everyone in the Qun has a role and that's who they are and  that you don't deviate from that role.

 

 

 

edit: Why would Sten's view of the Qun be different from Iron Bull's just because one's a soldier and one's a spy?

 

It is lore breaking. Well unless the devs specifically address this and tell us Sten was crazy or something lol. In my opinion they just wanted to mellow the Qun a bit, to make IB more likeable. Especially since you can

Spoiler

do his personal quest and turn him towards the Qun completely

Would have been a bit weird to have a Qun companion and keep the Qun as despicable and horrible as it was described and presented in DAO and DA2

[Lunatic Lace]

I was actually kind of confused by this too. If you're female in Origins, Sten makes a very clear point that he doesn't understand why you fight because you're a woman and fighting is outside your role. He goes on to say that everyone in the Qun has a role and that's who they are and  that you don't deviate from that role.

 

 

 

edit: Why would Sten's view of the Qun be different from Iron Bull's just because one's a soldier and one's a spy?

 

This also kind of confused me. The way I understand it, which could be wrong, is that when this happens the woman completely loses whatever rights or privaledges or roles they would have had as a female, and they're just known as males. I can see this as being perfectly acceptable for some who make the transition, and maybe not so much for others. It depends on the individual.

 

Honestly, there's a lot about the Qun that hasn't been explained yet, and IB even makes a comment about how only the priests understand all of it. Maybe we'll get to meet one in a future game.

[Monica21]

This also kind of confused me. The way I understand it, which could be wrong, is that when this happens the woman completely loses whatever rights or privaledges or roles they would have had as a female, and they're just known as males. I can see this as being perfectly acceptable for some who make the transition, and maybe not so much for others. It depends on the individual.

 

Honestly, there's a lot about the Qun that hasn't been explained yet, and IB even makes a comment about how only the priests understand all of it. Maybe we'll get to meet one in a future game.

 

I like this. This makes sense to me. I assume then that they are afforded whatever rights and privileges a male would get?

[Gaesesagai]

Oh and about Lord Surinen, I gift wrapped this gay agenda. Can someone please shove it down his throat? I have him on ignore so I can't see him properly... might poke him in the eye if I try or something... Thanks 

 

*hands over gift wrapped gay agenda"

[Lunatic Lace]

I like this. This makes sense to me. I assume then that they are afforded whatever rights and privileges a male would get?

Probably, I would think. 

 

So, technically, Sten wouldn't have been wrong. Any female warriors would have become male in the eyes of the Qun, so there would still be no female warriors.

[Gaesesagai]

This also kind of confused me. The way I understand it, which could be wrong, is that when this happens the woman completely loses whatever rights or privaledges or roles they would have had as a female, and they're just known as males. I can see this as being perfectly acceptable for some who make the transition, and maybe not so much for others. It depends on the individual.

 

Honestly, there's a lot about the Qun that hasn't been explained yet, and IB even makes a comment about how only the priests understand all of it. Maybe we'll get to meet one in a future game.

 

Hmm, I haven't thought about it like that. Good point.

[Xhaiden]

on another note, the social agenda of biowere (or just David Gaider, which to my knowledge is assumed social justice warrior) is becoming absurd, as in my last post I mentioned, krem, add the fact that we did not have desire demons anymore, times when the writing do not touch subjects like rape that are are just elucidated in passage notes, the restcon of Qunari lore to accommodate trans people. and these are the points that I noticed, probably have many more that have gone unnoticed by me. This politically correctness bullshit is the problem.

 

This isn't a "social agenda" or "political correctness" here in Canada. Its just considered not being a dick. minding your own business and recognizing the world doesn't revolve around your specific race, culture, gender and/or sexuality. ;p

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Games are medium like any other. I don't like agendas in the tv shows I I like, not in the movies and games too. Healthy is to confront, not avoid.

 

There is nothing healthy about inventing an agenda that doesn't exist and then claiming it justifies everything that you do.

 

You aren't even complaining about an agenda, anyway. You're complaining about the representation of people who actually exist. So your point makes no sense. If you actually believed what you are saying, you wouldn't pay to see those movies, or buy the games. Doing so provides monetary reward to the people who are supposedly behind the "agenda."

[Monica21]

Probably, I would think. 

 

So, technically, Sten wouldn't have been wrong. Any female warriors would have become male in the eyes of the Qun, so there would still be no female warriors.

 

Thank you!

[Kallas_br123]

Simple solution........  If the games offend you so much, don't buy them.  Bioware (not just Gaider) has made it clear that this is the direction that their games are going.  Either deal with it.  Or don't buy the games.

is not about dealing, or hating, i love biowere games, i love inquisition, and as I said nothing against inclusion, but if they want to include do a better job, krem do not have any role in the plot, now if it were included in the plot, say instead of scout hardding, great, trans character that is part of plot has a function.

as to my other points, the writing of the game became much more pg 13 in this time around  and the lack of desire demons have no excuse.

 

on qunaris not only stem but the Arishock, treat our female Character different because Qunari society does not waste resources, a woman is physically less than a man, a woman would not be a warrior in their culture. About transgender, a woman who considers himself a man will not produce a cild, this alone is a waste, krem between qunaris (lore DA2) would be sent to a re-education center to accept that it is a woman.

 

 

Sorry bad english

[Xhaiden]

Honestly, there's a lot about the Qun that hasn't been explained yet, and IB even makes a comment about how only the priests understand all of it. Maybe we'll get to meet one in a future game.

 

and, ironically enough, the Qunari priests are all women~

 

The Qun doesn't really seem to have have inequality nor good and evil. Just order and disorder based on predeterminism. I mean its a essentially a caste based culture.

[Lord Surinen]

There is nothing healthy about inventing an agenda that doesn't exist and then claiming it justifies everything that you do.

 

You aren't even complaining about an agenda, anyway. You're complaining about the representation of people who actually exist. So your point makes no sense. If you actually believed what you are saying, you wouldn't pay to see those movies, or buy the games. Doing so provides monetary reward to the people who are supposedly behind the "agenda."

Yes, there is nothing healthy about inventing agenda that does not exist(unless you have profits from it- I don't have). I fully agree with you on that, but it is not one of these cases. This agenda is pretty real.

 

But my coins won't change much, I don't have ability to link my mind with other people and persuade them. It simply needs to reach critical mass. I'm waiting for it. Also, as I have said, I was not aware of DA:I content. I believed that most romances in DAII were straight too. From now on I will most definately read more about the game before I buy it.