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[Xhaiden]

would be sent to a re-education center to accept that it is a woman.

 

 

 

We're really getting to the heart of your issue now. -.-

[Gaesesagai]

 

is not about dealing, or hating, i love biowere games, i love inquisition, and as I said nothing against inclusion, but if they want to include do a better job, krem do not have any role in the plot, now if it were included in the plot, say instead of scout hardding, great, trans character that is part of plot has a function.

as to my other points, the writing of the game became much more pg 13 in this time around  and the lack of desire demons have no excuse.

 

on qunaris not only stem but the Arishock, treat our female Character different because Qunari society does not waste resources, a woman is physically less than a man, a woman would not be a warrior in their culture. About transgender, a woman who considers himself a man will not produce a cild, this alone is a waste, krem between qunaris (lore DA2) would be sent to a re-education center to accept that it is a woman.

 

 

Sorry bad english

 

 

Trans characters don't need to "have a role" in order to be "justifiable", that's absurd. Just like str8 or gay characters don't need to "have a role". They can simply exist. DA offers a vast universe, full of people who just exist.

Krem makes you unconfortable because he is trans. Dorian makes you unconfortable because he is gay. You're incapable of dealing with that like an adult so you try to come up with ever more ridiculous arguments for your hate/ignorance. I'm sure you imagine no one can possibly see that, but you're quite transparent. Just slightly more sublte then the other one.

[Monica21]

 

is not about dealing, or hating, i love biowere games, i love inquisition, and as I said nothing against inclusion, but if they want to include do a better job, krem do not have any role in the plot, now if it were included in the plot, say instead of scout hardding, great, trans character that is part of plot has a function.

as to my other points, the writing of the game became much more pg 13 in this time around  and the lack of desire demons have no excuse.

 

on qunaris not only stem but the Arishock, treat our female Character different because Qunari society does not waste resources, a woman is physically less than a man, a woman would not be a warrior in their culture. About transgender, a woman who considers himself a man will not produce a cild, this alone is a waste, krem between qunaris (lore DA2) would be sent to a re-education center to accept that it is a woman.

 

 

Sorry bad english

 

 

Why does Krem need to have a role in the plot to be trans? He just... is.

 

And do we want to take DA2 Qunari lore at face value? Varric says that the Arishok didn't actually have permission to stay in Kirkwall, so it could just be that he was spouting off a bunch of stuff that wasn't actually the Qun.

[Kallas_br123]

We're really getting to the heart of your issue now. -.-

english is not my first language, i'm using my rudmentary knowledge pared with google translator.

[Kallas_br123]

Trans characters don't need to "have a role" in order to be "justifiable", that's absurd. Just like str8 or gay characters don't need to "have a role". They can simply exist. DA offers a vast universe, full of people who just exist.

Krem makes you unconfortable because he is trans. Dorian makes you unconfortable because he is gay. You're incapable of dealing with that like an adult so you try to come up with ever more ridiculous arguments for your hate/ignorance. I'm sure you imagine no one can possibly see that, but you're quite transparent. Just slightly more sublte then the other one.

all characters need to have a role, not all have yes. but if you are going to include a trans char (a minority char) do in a way that he has a role in the plot not only  he is there for to be there, or because he needs to be there. you have to agree it would be better if he had an important role in the inquisition correct.

[Lunatic Lace]

 

is not about dealing, or hating, i love biowere games, i love inquisition, and as I said nothing against inclusion, but if they want to include do a better job, krem do not have any role in the plot, now if it were included in the plot, say instead of scout hardding, great, trans character that is part of plot has a function.

as to my other points, the writing of the game became much more pg 13 in this time around  and the lack of desire demons have no excuse.

 

on qunaris not only stem but the Arishock, treat our female Character different because Qunari society does not waste resources, a woman is physically less than a man, a woman would not be a warrior in their culture. About transgender, a woman who considers himself a man will not produce a cild, this alone is a waste, krem between qunaris (lore DA2) would be sent to a re-education center to accept that it is a woman.

 

 

Sorry bad english

 

 

Honestly, the way I understand it is that the Qunari see those that follow the Qun as tools to work toward the greater whole. Not all females are physically inferior to males, just as there are physical and mental differences between any individuals. 

 

Because it's notably rare, it's safe to assume that someone wouldn't simply decide to become a male in the Qun, it might not even be by choice. The Qun would determine the best placement for an individual, and if that placement is normally for a male, then the individual, regardless of actual gender, becomes a male according to the Qun.

 

It's also worth noting that I've never personally seen anything in Qunari lore that puts a strong emphasis on reproduction over other aspects of their culture. Everything is strongly controlled, so it's safe to assume that their numbers are also heavily regulated. Chances are good that specific individuals are chosen for breeding with other specified individuals (again, as I understand it from the canon) so the loss of breeding stock would be negligible.

[Kallas_br123]

Why does Krem need to have a role in the plot to be trans? He just... is.

 

And do we want to take DA2 Qunari lore at face value? Varric says that the Arishok didn't actually have permission to stay in Kirkwall, so it could just be that he was spouting off a bunch of stuff that wasn't actually the Qun.

actually the Qunari knowledge of his actions because they wanted to avoid war with the South, he was a military leader with his extensive knowledge of the people and his religion. pity that his temper was not his forte

[Xhaiden]

Also for the record DA:I didn't retcon Desire Demons. It even actually mentions male ones. 

 

Though the problem there is probably two fold. The nature of the rifts isn't of interest to Desire Demons ( who aren't generally violent and murderous ) and they are intelligent. Rifts drive spirits mad and cast them into the mortal world. They're likely steering clear along with the Sloth demons who have a similar MO of being intelligent but avoiding direct conflict. ( Pride demons on the other hand are assholes ).

 

The second problem is the design of Desire Demons is not desirable ( har har ) and the original design was overruled in favour of the Succubus nipples look. Redesigning them is tricky. They need to essentially be all things to all people. Not scantily glad nipple tassels. You would see what you desire. Be it male, female, something in between or a particularly flirtatious donkey.

[Monica21]

all characters need to have a role, not all have yes. but if you are going to include a trans char (a minority char) do in a way that he has a role in the plot not only  he is there for to be there, or because he needs to be there. you have to agree it would be better if he had an important role in the inquisition correct.

 

He does have an important role; he's one of Bull's Chargers. At one point, you have to make a very important decision about the Chargers.

[Xhaiden]

He does have an important role; he's one of Bull's Chargers. At one point, you have to make a very important decision about the Chargers.

 

Krem also provides a number of war table missions. 

[Xhaiden]

Chances are good that specific individuals are chosen for breeding with other specified individuals (again, as I understand it from the canon) so the loss of breeding stock would be negligible.

 

Yes, I imagine it has just as disastrous an effect on the Qunari population as gay people have had on the human population. Oh wait. >.>

[Monica21]

Krem also provides a number of war table missions. 

 

That too! But he doesn't need to. He's just a guy who does stuff, like Herritt is a guy who does stuff. (Presumably. Mostly it's just me doing stuff in the Undercroft. )

[Gaesesagai]

Also for the record DA:I didn't retcon Desire Demons. It even actually mentions male ones. 

 

Though the problem there is probably two fold. The nature of the rifts isn't of interest to Desire Demons ( who aren't generally violent and murderous ) and they are intelligent. Rifts drive spirits mad and cast them into the mortal world. They're likely steering clear along with the Sloth demons who have a similar MO of being intelligent but avoiding direct conflict. ( Pride demons on the other hand are assholes ).

 

The second problem is the design of Desire Demons is not desirable ( har har ) and the original design was overruled in favour of the Succubus nipples look. Redesigning them is tricky. They need to essentially be all things to all people. Not scantily glad nipple tassels. You would see what you desire. Be it male, female, something in between or a particularly flirtatious donkey.

 

"Particularly flirtatious donkey"... lmao

Yeah I imagine the redesigning part is what made them decide to not show them. A great way of having desire demons would be for them to identify some sort of romance flags in your character and present a hot male or female depending on who you winked at more... lol, if not in a full romance. But that's such a vague thing to measure, especially if the player doesn't know about it (take someone who is not into romances at all but accidentally clicked a flirt option at some point and then bam, gets a desire demon of the "wrong" gender... imagine the hysteria haha).

But I would have loved to see male desire demons in identical clothing as the female ones in DAO... 

[Monica21]

or a particularly flirtatious donkey.

 

I googled "flirtatious donkey." I was not disappointed.

 

[Kallas_br123]

Honestly, the way I understand it is that the Qunari see those that follow the Qun as tools to work toward the greater whole. Not all females are physically inferior to males, just as there are physical and mental differences between any individuals. 

 

Because it's notably rare, it's safe to assume that someone wouldn't simply decide to become a male in the Qun, it might not even be by choice. The Qun would determine the best placement for an individual, and if that placement is normally for a male, then the individual, regardless of actual gender, becomes a male according to the Qun.

 

It's also worth noting that I've never personally seen anything in Qunari lore that puts a strong emphasis on reproduction over other aspects of their culture. Everything is strongly controlled, so it's safe to assume that their numbers are also heavily regulated. Chances are good that specific individuals are chosen for breeding with other specified individuals (again, as I understand it from the canon) so the loss of breeding stock would be negligible.

truth about the aspect of reproduction, no way to know for sure, and I will give it, no way to know with absolute certainty as a transsexual would be treated by the lore of da2, and we know how would be treated now so no good reason to argue, those who agree, agree, those who disagree, disagree, the fact that the lore will not be changed (until it is).

 

About women being physically inferior to men, this is a biological fact, not saying that there are no women who'd kick my ass, but between a woman and a man with the same training man is stronger.

[Monica21]

 

About women being physically inferior to men, this is a biological fact, not saying that there are no women who'd kick my ass, but between a woman and a man with the same training man is stronger.

 

 

Strength is only one aspect of physicality.

[Kallas_br123]

That too! But he doesn't need to. He's just a guy who does stuff, like Herritt is a guy who does stuff. (Presumably. Mostly it's just me doing stuff in the Undercroft. )

again herrit have fuction he is the black smith, if kremm was the black smith, cool he is the black smith and is trans.

 

the bull charges as a whole are useles, and the wartable missions could have been gived from Bull.

[Lunatic Lace]

truth about the aspect of reproduction, no way to know for sure, and I will give it, no way to know with absolute certainty as a transsexual would be treated by the lore of da2, and we know how would be treated now so no good reason to argue, those who agree, agree, those who disagree, disagree, the fact that the lore will not be changed (until it is).

About women being physically inferior to men, this is a biological fact, not saying that there are no women who'd kick my ass, but between a woman and a man with the same training man is stronger.

That is absolutely not always a fact, specifically because of biology. Genetics play a huge role. I have a male cousin who body builds, but is only five foot three. I also have a female cousin who trains. She's a foot taller than he is and has no trouble physically putting him in his place if she needs to. Training sometimes just isn't enough. In a broad sense, yes, men tend to be physically stronger than women. Individuals, however, do not always end up that way.

So, every once in a while, within the Qunari, there is a female who is as strong/stronger than her male counterparts. The Qun would use this to their full advantage, which is why there's a term for it.

[VilhoDog13]

I'd like to have seen at least one more gay romance. Maybe a male who is a little more serious - someone like Cullen, but not. Maybe Blackwall should have been bisexual. Or Solas...no....no, I think Solas is good as is (for story purposes). That romance scene with the female elf just...has to stay

[Kallas_br123]

Strength is only one aspect of physicality.

How much Hystoric female warrior can you quote.

 

Testosterone and fast-twitch muscle fibers allow men to do more brute strength and more overall everyday strength performance. and that include speed and stamina.

 

way do you think that in sports sexes are separated.

[Kallas_br123]

That is absolutely not always a fact, specifically because of biology. Genetics play a huge role. I have a male cousin who body builds, but is only five foot three. I also have a female cousin who trains. She's a foot taller than he is and has no trouble physically putting him in his place if she needs to. Training sometimes just isn't enough. In a broad sense, yes, men tend to be physically stronger than women. Individuals, however, do not always end up that way.

So, every once in a while, within the Qunari, there is a female who is as strong/stronger than her male counterparts. The Qun would use this to their full advantage, which is why there's a term for it.

true, but that woman would not be as strong or tough as the other soldiers, because the qun puts the best individual for the best work, men soldiers are the physical apex that race has to be made available. the hypothetical woman would be placed in other functions such as the ben hassarath, or other function never as part of the military wing.

[Calders]

 

I do not understand why people in this forum are upset when someone says that most people who play these games are straight men.

It's simple deduction, the majority of people in the world are straight, simple, and most gamers, are men. (before someone quote that research that says women make 52% of gamers, it is incorrect, the survey included people who play mobile games, and Face booke games as gamers).

 

 

Sorry for the bad english.

 

 

Quoting statistics is a challenge because we have no reliable information.  The best I am aware of is the following:

 

In Mass Effect 80% of characters created were male 

In Mass Effect 2 82% of completed games had male characters

 

Note: that this is the protagonists gender not the players, its also a different (and Sci-Fi if that makes a significant difference), and the group is self selected by those who allowed their data to be shared.  I know of no published figures for Dragon age.

 

I'm not actually sure how relevant this is to anything, but good data is always a plus.

[Lunatic Lace]

Quoting statistics is a challenge because we have no reliable information.  The best I am aware of is the following:
 
In Mass Effect 80% of characters created were male 
In Mass Effect 2 82% of completed games had male characters
 
Note: that this is the protagonists gender not the players, its also a different (and Sci-Fi if that makes a significant difference), and the group is self selected by those who allowed their data to be shared.  I know of no published figures for Dragon age.
 
I'm not actually sure how relevant this is to anything, but good data is always a plus.

Totally not reliable. XD I always played MShep and my male roommate always plays Femshep because he has a crush on Jennifer Hale.

[BioWareMod02]

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