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[DArkwarrior26]

First, I would like to know what was Kieran doing to Flemeth in the fade. There was blue magical stuff and he snaps his fingers. check the youtube video. I think that part is kinda important for Flemeth's survival; if Solas indeed betrays Flemeth in the end (after credits video). 
 

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SPOILER WARNING!

 

" Designer's Notes: This is Flemeth from the previous two games. In this game, Flemeth's story comes to a head -- she knew that Solas would summon her, and that he would need to steal her power to further his plans. She knew that because they are both elven gods...yet Solas has slept for a thousand years and his power dwindled, while she was killed long ago and a spark escaped from her into the body she now holds. She has nurtured that spark, and knew that Solas would need it. He was once her oldest friend, but she knows in his drive to save the elven people he will kill anyone -- even her. She intends to let him have the power, so long as she can pass the essence of her god-hood onto Morrigan, a gift Flemeth had always planned for her daughter yet one Morrigan misunderstood as hostile possession. "

 

Flemeth could have given that essence/spark thing to Kieran in the fade. 

 

Well, what do you guys think? 

 

 

[Reznore57]

From the notes , what I understand is Flemeth is dead , she passed some pieces of Mythal to Morrigan.(instead of putting it on a amulet and being reborn as FleMythal.I assume it happens when you see Flemeth channeling something through the Eluvian)

So Morrigan is the new host of the elven Goddess.( if she's bound to the well of Sorrow , the "voice" will lead her to the soul , otherwise the Inquisitor will probably vanish a couple of month to give her the message.And Morrigan is not going to refuse the soul of an old Goddess...Flemeth raised her hungry for power for a reason)

 

Solas only got powered up by Flemeth sacrifice (and probably the OGB soul , since Kieran is now normal , I doubt Bioware is going to bother keeping on with the story of Urthemiel soul )

 

And in the fade , Flemeth takes the Old God soul away from Kieran .That's it.

[DArkwarrior26]

Why was Flemeth kneeling and kieran was doing some blue magic stuff at the beginning in the fade.

 

I guess it could be nothing (or something).  

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And some people theorized that Flemeth sealed or preserved Urthemiel's soul in the eluvian; if that was the case then how did she pass bits to Morrigan?  

 

But wait: ending after credit scene is the same even if there is no OGB. That means you could be right she was saving bit of herself in the Eluvian for Morrigan. 

[Kierro Ren]

Why was Flemeth kneeling and kieran was doing some blue magic stuff at the beginning in the fade.

 

I guess it could be nothing (or something).  

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And some people theorized that Flemeth sealed or preserved Urthemiel's soul in the eluvian; if that was the case then how did she pass bits to Morrigan?  

 

But wait: ending after credit scene is the same even if there is no OGB. That means you could be right she was saving bit of herself in the Eluvian for Morrigan. 

 

Or Kieran was giving Flemeth what she wanted willingly. Then we stumbled on them.

 

Also kinda off topic but not. Kierro Amell was my WC in DAO. And personally I thought it was awsome to have his son's name Kieran. Kier-ro + Morrig-an = Kieran.

[Beomer]

I always thought that she was basically activating the Eluvian and making it ready for use when she was messing around it with it.

Which is of course followed by her sacrifice which is probably the 'price' to use that Eluvian.

[FreshRevenge]

Well I think she was kneeling just so she would be at eye level with Kieran. I don't think she was worshiping the boy.

 

I am curious as what Solas intentions were with the orb. I never understood why he gave the orb to Corypheus. I mean if he was too weak he could have waited to get stronger. I am curious on how he woke up? I mean did Flemeth wake him up?

 

I am unsure of what Mythal or Flemeth plan's since the beginning. I am just hoping that Flemeth would appear again. I can't say that Flemeth is entirely evil or good?

[Jellyfish Opera]

So is Solas kinda taking the step up to becoming the big bad? Solas being the bad guy would just break my heart, but then again if he is, he would be a tremendously well written anti hero/villain.  

[Gervaise]

Solas isn't necessarily becoming the big bad simply because he wants to restore his people; its more to do with the methods he uses to achieve this.     What has me interested more is that it says that he has slept for 1000 years (not thousands of years).    This would put him back as being previously "awake" around the time of Andraste and lends credence to the theory that Fen Harel was also the Maker.      The title he took makes sense; he didn't create the world as such but he did make it what it was at the time of Andraste (through his actions against the elven gods).    The Maker was said to have been attracted by the song of Andraste and the Tevinter claim she was a mage, so may be she was singing in the Fade and this caused him to "awake".    Also fits with the fact that she was determined to free the slaves and that the Maker withdrew from active intervention again as a protest against her death.   Of course the Devs have said they will never categorically either prove or deny the Maker but it would make sense.      Question is, who or what caused him to wake up again?

[FreshRevenge]

From the notes , what I understand is Flemeth is dead , she passed some pieces of Mythal to Morrigan.(instead of putting it on a amulet and being reborn as FleMythal.I assume it happens when you see Flemeth channeling something through the Eluvian)

So Morrigan is the new host of the elven Goddess.( if she's bound to the well of Sorrow , the "voice" will lead her to the soul , otherwise the Inquisitor will probably vanish a couple of month to give her the message.And Morrigan is not going to refuse the soul of an old Goddess...Flemeth raised her hungry for power for a reason)

 

Solas only got powered up by Flemeth sacrifice (and probably the OGB soul , since Kieran is now normal , I doubt Bioware is going to bother keeping on with the story of Urthemiel soul )

 

And in the fade , Flemeth takes the Old God soul away from Kieran .That's it.

 

I honestly can't see them getting rid of Flemeth. I mean I know I enjoy seeing Flemeth and hearing her talk. I am not sure how it will play out but I think they will bring Flemeth back in some form. I don't think she will just let Solas have control of her entirely.

[DArkwarrior26]

Well I think she was kneeling just so she would be at eye level with Kieran. I don't think she was worshiping the boy.

 

I am curious as what Solas intentions were with the orb. I never understood why he gave the orb to Corypheus. I mean if he was too weak he could have waited to get stronger. I am curious on how he woke up? I mean did Flemeth wake him up?

 

I am unsure of what Mythal or Flemeth plan's since the beginning. I am just hoping that Flemeth would appear again. I can't say that Flemeth is entirely evil or good?

 

Ofc not worshipping lol they are both gods. I believe Flemeth is good because she saved my ass 3 times now. Origins, DAII and in DAI, if she was not there darkspawn would have over run Ferelden. Whatever Flemeth's true intentions were her actions have always been good. I am a follower of Mythal so ~~

Solas saw how his actions shaped the world; his people, culture, greatness etc., were destroyed. So he probably wanted to awaken all the Elven gods again!? to restore the world?!

Why didn't he go to Flemeth to use the orb? 

 

Solas isn't necessarily becoming the big bad simply because he wants to restore his people; its more to do with the methods he uses to achieve this.     What has me interested more is that it says that he has slept for 1000 years (not thousands of years).    This would put him back as being previously "awake" around the time of Andraste and lends credence to the theory that Fen Harel was also the Maker.      The title he took makes sense; he didn't create the world as such but he did make it what it was at the time of Andraste (through his actions against the elven gods).    The Maker was said to have been attracted by the song of Andraste and the Tevinter claim she was a mage, so may be she was singing in the Fade and this caused him to "awake".    Also fits with the fact that she was determined to free the slaves and that the Maker withdrew from active intervention again as a protest against her death.   Of course the Devs have said they will never categorically either prove or deny the Maker but it would make sense.      Question is, who or what caused him to wake up again?

Cool ! Why is the maker solas awake again?! good question indeed. Could it be because of the mage explosion caused by Anders? you know big magic shite!

So many theories and stuff love this series and lore ^^ 

[DarkAmaranth1966]

I think Solas is awake because mages rebeled, all mages are basically free now and, once, all elves were mages, powerful ones and, magic was simply a part of everyday life. The potential for that to be the way again is here now, so he's going to push it that way no matter what it takes. Admirable determination and, a potentailly powerful ally if the right people are in power.

 

Kierian was willingly giving the old god soul to Flemeth - no more nightmares, he wanted it gone, wanted to be normal. Morrigan does not want to be a host for Flemeth but, I think she will come to understand and, accept it, so the piece of Mythal in the Eluvian for her to claim when she is ready.

[DArkwarrior26]

Just realized why there is no mabari in DAI! because it is said in the lore (codex) Mabari can sniff the dreadwolf. It would have figured out Solas's identity. 
 

Damn! 

 

 

Kierian was willingly giving the old god soul to Flemeth - no more nightmares, he wanted it gone, wanted to be normal. Morrigan does not want to be a host for Flemeth but, I think she will come to understand and, accept it, so the piece of Mythal in the Eluvian for her to claim when she is ready.

 

I think so too 

[FreshRevenge]

Just realized why there is no mabari in DAI! because it is said in the lore (codex) Mabari can sniff the dreadwolf. It would have figured out Solas's identity. 
 

Damn! 

 

 

 

I think so too 

 

Just realized why there is no mabari in DAI! because it is said in the lore (codex) Mabari can sniff the dreadwolf. It would have figured out Solas's identity. 
 

Damn! 

 

 

 

I think so too 

 

There is mabari hound in Dragon Age Inquisition. You end up killing some and one your purchase goods from in the Hissing Wastes. The shop owner is away and says something that his hound will make change for you.

[DArkwarrior26]

There is mabari hound in Dragon Age Inquisition. You end up killing some and one your purchase goods from in the Hissing Wastes. The shop owner is away and says something that his hound will make change for you.

I meant no Mabari hound in party and in skyhold. I know there are mabari's in game but not as a companion or pet in skyhold. Least didnt find them in my play-through. Can you get hounds in skyhold? 

[Siven80]

There are so many unanswered questions from the ending.........that it reminded me of ME3's ending and the "lots of Speculations" (bad)choice that the devs made. 

 

[myahele]

OGB is optional and as far as i know and Flemeth does something in the Eluvian even if Kieran isn't born/ not have the soul of Urthemiel.

 

Now that we know Flemeth knew she's get gonna get betrayed by Solas then perhaps Flemeth sent a piece of herself deep into the Fade for Morrigan to discover when it was time?

[FreshRevenge]

Okay my question is where were they? Were they in the Arbor Wilds? I mean where was the Eluvian mirror exactly?

[Jester]

Why do people think that Solas betrayed Flemeth?

I interpreted it as Flemeth transfering hers/Mythal's soul into him.

[Pluvie]

There are so many unanswered questions, I think they will be answered in future DLC/expansions/games.

 

As I see it, the purpose of Dragon Age Inquisition was to deal with Corypheus and to that I think it made a wonderful job.

Of course you have to end the game leaving question marks about everything but the main plot, so that you can then weave another story

 

We'll see how it will continue..

[molech322]

This was an interesting twist, in my playthrough in Origins I did the dark ritual and the soul of the corrupted old God Urthemiel was absorbed into the unborn Kieran. This makes me wonder, just what are the Elven gods/old gods. Does this mean the Maker exists?? Or are they just powerful fade spirits of untold power and intelligence. I hope the truth is revealed in future expansions and the next Dragon Age.

[Medhia_Nox]

@Jester:  The question is... why are the Old Gods/Elven Gods being "collected"? 

 

Flemeth states very clearly we ARE the Herald of a new "Age" - something not to be taken lightly in a game defined by it's "Age". 

 

I wonder now... if Sandal's prophecy predicts the return of gods to Thedas (everything will be as it was).  Solas was the one who "arose" methinks.

[Shark17676]

So is Solas kinda taking the step up to becoming the big bad?

 

 

Ugh, it's late...  At first I thought you said Solas was taking the step up to become the "big bald". 

[OHB MajorV]

@Jester: The question is... why are the Old Gods/Elven Gods being "collected"?

Flemeth states very clearly we ARE the Herald of a new "Age" - something not to be taken lightly in a game defined by it's "Age".

I wonder now... if Sandal's prophecy predicts the return of gods to Thedas (everything will be as it was). Solas was the one who "arose" methinks.

I think it's all in the orb, a tool to bestow the mark, whatever is in the fade with the right knowledge and power can unlock it releasing????? Who knows.

I think flemeth knows this, I think she sees the inquisitor as just another hurdle to whatever her motives may be, She is the true master of the game. If she let Solas believe he took her life force or she simply gave it to him I refuse to believe it wasn't a calculated decision on her part to achieve her goals.

[myahele]

Who really know what the Elven "gods" were but I do think they're a type of very powerful Spirits.

 

When young Flemeth was betrayed she called out to anyone in the Fade for Justice and that's when "a wisp of an ancient being" greeted and then merged.

 

Based on everything we know now when a Spirit/ Demon is killed they become wisps and go back to their domain in the Fade where they can slowly reform but wont be quite the same. Think of it as reincarnation.

 

We also know Flemeth can control where an Eluvian can transport people in the Fade so I believe she placed Urthemiels soul deep in the Fade where he can eventually grow in relative safety.

[Aren]

OGB is optional and as far as i know and Flemeth does something in the Eluvian even if Kieran isn't born/ not have the soul of Urthemiel.

 

Now that we know Flemeth knew she's get gonna get betrayed by Solas then perhaps Flemeth sent a piece of herself deep into the Fade for Morrigan to discover when it was time?

i belive that flemeth do the same things only because develop cannot use two different cinematic ending for a little detail....

but the one (in case DR was performed) who she send in the mirror is 100%  the soul of the archedemon.

edit is Mythal