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[Hydwn]

Not another thread about the morality of mages versus Templars - all my canon runs are pro-mage.

 

But I've done both pro-Templar and pro-Mage now, and I'm kind of glad I did the Templar run first.  I think I understand and appreciate the story better because of it.

 

The reasons:

• Nemesis: Samson had a one-game head start on Calpernia, so he should have had the advantage where this stuff is concerned.  But I didn't understand Samson's motives at all until he was giving testimony at his trial.  I found myself sympathizing with ex-slave Calpernia, to the point where my pro-Templar templar Trevelyan pardoned her to return to Tevinter and make it better.  When we last saw Samson he'd been sorely disillusioned with the mage cause, and now he was sided with the biggest-baddest mage of them all and his army of Tevinter cultists.
• Ally: Fiona was a known quantity too.  I liked her from The Calling, many hated her.  Her understated appearance in DAI didn't really change anyone's opinion of her.  Some of the things she was doing seemed hard to fathom too, and when you get her she just kind of hangs out in the library.  Ser Barris, meanwhile, has quickly become a fan favourite, and you can send him out on missions.
• Recruitment: The pro-Mage mission takes you into Redcliffe castle, which is a fairly standard dungeons in spite of the Fade rips.  Much of it is carried by Dorian's sparkling personality.  The central and interesting drama with Alexius and his son is not heavily developed.  It also introduced time travel, which is an element most fans seemed to react badly too.  The pro-Templar run was tense, exciting, and dramatic, and the dive into the Fade gave you insight into the darker side of Cassandra's character.  The Fade was a pretty safe place to bring players (safer than time travel) and the battle against the Envy demon was epic.
• Corypheus: When I first got to the forums, I was surprised to see how many felt Corypheus was a complete nonentity, a blank.  It took me awhile to realize most people had never set foot in the pro-Templar version of the Temple of Dumat, where you can find Corypheus's journals.  His agony over the silence of his old god.  His surprising respect for Calpernia, and his regret at using her for a vessel.  Suddenly this alien, monstrous villain had an emotional complexity.  The most interesting thing in the pro-mage run was a Tranquil who'd chosen to side with Samson of his own free will.

So am I way off on this...?  Irrespective of which choice is "right," does the Templar path make the better story in DAI?

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Kind of ist realy up to the player whitch they preffer.

[lyleoffmyspace]

This choice was really a crap version of the one from The Witcher 2 regarding your ally. It changes the rest of the game sure, but the main villain is still fleshed out in that game, and the entire game is changed as well as locations in it rather than having just a different set of enemies pasted in.

 

Chosing Iorveth over Roche does give you a different viewpoint on things in TW2, but all the main characters essential to each path are still fleshed out. We should have got major background on Corypheus regardless of whether we chose Templars or Mages.

 

Also Sansom was the worst villain.

[KaiserShep]

I generally go for the mages, but the Templar quest has a lot more interesting things about it, tempting me to switch over. I love how the demon throws your Inquisitor's voice back at you.

[DeLaatsteGeitenneuker]

Not another thread about the morality of mages versus Templars - all my canon runs are pro-mage.

 

But I've done both pro-Templar and pro-Mage now, and I'm kind of glad I did the Templar run first.  I think I understand and appreciate the story better because of it.

 

The reasons:

• Nemesis: Samson had a one-game head start on Calpernia, so he should have had the advantage where this stuff is concerned.  But I didn't understand Samson's motives at all until he was giving testimony at his trial.  I found myself sympathizing with ex-slave Calpernia, to the point where my pro-Templar templar Trevelyan pardoned her to return to Tevinter and make it better.  When we last saw Samson he'd been sorely disillusioned with the mage cause, and now he was sided with the biggest-baddest mage of them all and his army of Tevinter cultists.
• Ally: Fiona was a known quantity too.  I liked her from The Calling, many hated her.  Her understated appearance in DAI didn't really change anyone's opinion of her.  Some of the things she was doing seemed hard to fathom too, and when you get her she just kind of hangs out in the library.  Ser Barris, meanwhile, has quickly become a fan favourite, and you can send him out on missions.
• Recruitment: The pro-Mage mission takes you into Redcliffe castle, which is a fairly standard dungeons in spite of the Fade rips.  Much of it is carried by Dorian's sparkling personality.  The central and interesting drama with Alexius and his son is not heavily developed.  It also introduced time travel, which is an element most fans seemed to react badly too.  The pro-Templar run was tense, exciting, and dramatic, and the dive into the Fade gave you insight into the darker side of Cassandra's character.  The Fade was a pretty safe place to bring players (safer than time travel) and the battle against the Envy demon was epic.
• Corypheus: When I first got to the forums, I was surprised to see how many felt Corypheus was a complete nonentity, a blank.  It took me awhile to realize most people had never set foot in the pro-Templar version of the Temple of Dumat, where you can find Corypheus's journals.  His agony over the silence of his old god.  His surprising respect for Calpernia, and his regret at using her for a vessel.  Suddenly this alien, monstrous villain had an emotional complexity.  The most interesting thing in the pro-mage run was a Tranquil who'd chosen to side with Samson of his own free will.

So am I way off on this...?  Irrespective of which choice is "right," does the Templar path make the better story in DAI?

This Temple of Dumat thing, where is this exactly?

[Ashagar]

It is up to the players on which they prefer though I prefer the Templars quest wise myself, there's Sir Barris, the envy demon, Calpernia and a insight into Corypheus's mind. Also there is the whole redeeming the Templar order thing which I found great while I almost wish I could have pulled out the sword and start smiting mages after finding out what happened to the poor tranquil.

[Deebo305]

Yes it the better of the two, there is no doubt. Frankly the Venatori are better enemies than the Red Templars

[Mr.House]

Templar side ftw. Better content, more Cory exposure, better npcs and Calpernia

[Hydwn]

This Temple of Dumat thing, where is this exactly?

 

You can unlock it by a War Table mission fairly late in the game.  It unlocks in either pro-mage or pro-Templar, but it's completely different inside.

 

The pro-Mage version you get from Cullen and is called "Before the Dawn".  The pro-Templar one comes from Leliana and is called "Under Her Skin."  I think you have to have finished both the Warden arc at Adamant and the Orlais arc at the Winter palace, but you can't have started Arbour Wilds yet.  So there's a fairly narrow window to unlock it.

[Hazegurl]

I agree, the pro Templar side didn't have as good of a set up as the pro Mage run but it was far more satisfying. The urgency in finding the Templar officers battling for their lives while at the same time checking up on the ones fighting in the hall was way more intense than just hunting for some red lyrium. I hate recruiting Dorian later but his entrance during the attack on Haven more than made up for it cause he totally stole the spotlight moreso than Cole's appearance in the same scenario. I think Cole's character shines during the Templar quest and his appearance in the war room after wards.

 

Also, another awesome addition to picking the Temps is a war table mission with the noble you meet up(if he lives) with and an Avvar chief. I'm planning a play through soon where I'm gonna keep him alive.

[Rosey]

This Temple of Dumat thing, where is this exactly?

It's Calpernia's side quest, you get it from Lelianna. Just like how you get the Sampson questline from Cullen.

 

Basically it gives you a lot more understanding of WHO Corypheus was before he became Corypheus, after he became Corypheus, and his general disgust at the treatment of mages-as-slaves in Tevinter.

[Eveangaline]

I like that since you can ally with OR forcably recruit and dissolve the order of whatever group you take in, you can get either while technically 'siding' with the other. Sure I got the templars this run but I dissolved the order.

[BloodyTalon]

I am gonna to admit the pro-templar side of things is better it seems. 

Why I somewhat understand the grand traitor's logic, its just the whole time magic thing and her backstabbing all the other mages made that just seem bleh. Would be better if you had an option to excute her for backstabbing all the other mages.

The templar side gives a you feel for what is going on in a better way with Cory's goals and so on...plus Ser Barris is  the best

Short and simple, cause just waking up.

[Mr.House]

I agree, the pro Templar side didn't have as good of a set up as the pro Mage run but it was far more satisfying. The urgency in finding the Templar officers battling for their lives while at the same time checking up on the ones fighting in the hall was way more intense than just hunting for some red lyrium. I hate recruiting Dorian later but his entrance during the attack on Haven more than made up for it cause he totally stole the spotlight moreso than Cole's appearance in the same scenario. I think Cole's character shines during the Templar quest and his appearance in the war room after wards.

 

Also, another awesome addition to picking the Temps is a war table mission with the noble you meet up(if he lives) with and an Avvar chief. I'm planning a play through soon where I'm gonna keep him alive.

Also Ser Barris

[FaWa]

I sided with the mages, mostly because I wanted to get Dorian ASAP. I think I'll go templar on my next playthrough though. It sounds pretty interesting.

[KaiserShep]

Cole's introduction in the game is also immensely better if you go the Templar route, since he actually helps you against the demon. But I think one of the most important things to me is that the red templars themselves draw out more of a reaction upon first encountering them. I took Sera and Cassandra with me, and I enjoyed their reactions when they first started attacking at Therinfal Redoubt.

[Machina Obscura]

I am pro-templar, so there's that bias. But I think that saving the templar order is more fulfilling than corraling mages, from an accomplishment standpoint. Barriss is a good story, and fighting Venatori makes more sense to me. I also like the envy mind-battle sequence and the dark-inquisition stuff there.

[Mr.House]

Cole's introduction in the game is also immensely better if you go the Templar route, since he actually helps you against the demon.

I LOVE when he shows up to fight Envy outsidet he Fade.

[KaiserShep]

I am pro-templar, so there's that bias. But I think that saving the templar order is more fulfilling than corraling mages, from an accomplishment standpoint. Barriss is a good story, and fighting Venatori makes more sense to me. I also like the envy mind-battle sequence and the dark-inquisition stuff there.

 

I dissolve the order at the end of this quest, but I agree. I love the dark Inquisition bit against the envy demon, and I feel like I can better establish my Inquisitor's personality in how she reacts to the visions.

[Willowhugger]

Mages.

[Monica21]

I prefer the templar story but i linger before entering the great hall so baris dies tbh

You monster!

[SgtSteel91]

I like the Red Templars as the main nemesis, a once proud and noble order twisted into a sham of their former selves instead of the Venatori and reinforcing the disgusting notion that Mages shouldn't be free and deserve to be oppressed.

[leadintea]

The only thing the Mage path got right was the character involvement and emotions in its story. Other than that, I think the Templar path is much better, and yes, Calpernia's arc easily trumps Samson's since it also gives more insight into Corypheus and humanizes him a bit.

[zeypher]

I like the templars side but i can never get Ser barri's war table missions to appear. I guess its cause i always conscript them.