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[Elanor]

Where are the Corypheus journals? I'm playing Therinfall second time and I can't find them...

[Melca36]

Red Templars are better and I like all the background dialogue I heard in Haven where some Chantry sisters were talking about the Templar abuses. It was vindicating to know that it was NOT just in Kirkwall and that a great many Templars did lose their way.

[Ashagar]

You won't find them in Therinfall but you can find out that the Knight-Vigliant the proper head of the Templar order was murdered after surviving the conclave likely because he would have spotted the fake lord seeker and was certainly a threat to the plot to corrupt the order. The Corypheus journals are found in memory stones in the shrine of Dumat as part of a quest chain dealing with the Venitari leader.

[Elanor]

You won't find them in Therinfall but you can find out that the Knight-Vigliant the proper head of the Templar order was murdered after surviving the conclave likely because he would have spotted the fake lord seeker and was certainly a threat to the plot to corrupt the order. The Corypheus journals are found in memory stones in the shrine of Dumat as part of a quest chain dealing with the Venitari leader.

 

Ah, thank you because I was running around Therinfal and it was pointless.

[zeypher]

Can you get the Leliana divine ending if you don't side with the mages? I thought you basically end up with Cass vs Vivienne?

Yup you can, i have conscripted templars twice and ended both times with Leliana as the divine.

[Nimlowyn]

Both were well done. The Nightmare sequence in Champion of the Just was chilling, I loved that Cole helped me and I enjoyed working with the Templars and seeing firsthand how they do their thing. Calpernia was fascinating, very well written and designed, visually and conceptually.

That said, overall I prefer the drama of In Hushed Whispers. Leliana's sacrifice is my favorite scene of the entire series (can't speak much beyond the mission though since I didn't complete the game with that character).

I do have a bit of a hang up about In Hushed Whispers, though. Alexius spent the better part of a year trying and failing to go back in time. He says it is impossible. Dorian is able to do it in a few minutes. Why?

[Arvaarad]

Both were well done. The Nightmare sequence in Champion of the Just was chilling, I loved that Cole helped me and I enjoyed working with the Templars and seeing firsthand how they do their thing. Calpernia was fascinating, very well written and designed, visually and conceptually.

That said, overall I prefer the drama of In Hushed Whispers. Leliana's sacrifice is my favorite scene of the entire series (can't speak much beyond the mission though since I didn't complete the game with that character).

I do have a bit of a hang up about In Hushed Whispers, though. Alexius spent the better part of a year trying and failing to go back in time. He says it is impossible. Dorian is able to do it in a few minutes. Why?

Alexius is trying to go back to the time before the breach appeared. Corypheus wants to redo the ritual so that he gets the anchor instead of the inquisitor. Alexius wants to go back even further, to the time before Felix got sick, so he can prevent it.

But he can't, because the breach is what makes the magic possible.

Traveling back to the beginning of In Hushed Whispers is possible, because it's a time when the breach exists.

[ThreeF]

Also, another awesome addition to picking the Temps is a war table mission with the noble you meet up(if he lives) with and an Avvar chief. I'm planning a play through soon where I'm gonna keep him alive.

 

Wait wait, which noble?

[Ashagar]

The rude one who is offensive to Sir Barris just because he is a second son of a minor noble, if you don't do the flag ceremony he lives and you can make him and the Avvar chief odd couple style ambassadors.

[Linkenski]

I consider time travel cheap more often and not, and in Dragon Age it felt that way too, so I dislike Mages.

They used cheap plot devices too often though, like the recording stones aka audio logs from any modern setting ever in the Templars storyline, so both versions are hit and miss.

But was it just me or did Mages not have something equal to Temple of Dumat, you know, the mission in Pro-Templars that involve Dagna and Leliana and listening to recordings of Coryphenis. In Mages it's just the Haven assault and then you meet Cory at the final missions with no bridge in between.

[Nimlowyn]

Alexius is trying to go back to the time before the breach appeared. Corypheus wants to redo the ritual so that he gets the anchor instead of the inquisitor. Alexius wants to go back even further, to the time before Felix got sick, so he can prevent it.
But he can't, because the breach is what makes the magic possible.
Traveling back to the beginning of In Hushed Whispers is possible, because it's a time when the breach exists.

I'm out of likes, but thank you so much for clearing that up! I missed that, obviously.

[ThreeF]

I consider time travel cheap more often and not, and in Dragon Age it felt that way too, so I dislike Mages.

They used cheap plot devices too often though, like the recording stones aka audio logs from any modern setting ever in the Templars storyline, so both versions are hit and miss.

But was it just me or did Mages not have something equal to Temple of Dumat, you know, the mission in Pro-Templars that involve Dagna and Leliana and listening to recordings of Coryphenis. In Mages it's just the Haven assault and then you meet Cory at the final missions with no bridge in between.

 

Yeah but you don't get the same info about Cory in that mission, on the other hand that mission developed Cullen better. I think the main problem I have with the game is how the story was handled, I don't know if they thought that it would make the game replayable, to me it just made the story more disjointed.

[moxiegraphix]

Cole's introduction in the game is also immensely better if you go the Templar route, since he actually helps you against the demon. But I think one of the most important things to me is that the red templars themselves draw out more of a reaction upon first encountering them. I took Sera and Cassandra with me, and I enjoyed their reactions when they first started attacking at Therinfal Redoubt.

 

( way late to the party here) I love Sera and Cassandra have a small bonding moment over it

 

Sera; What was THAT?
Cassandra: A templar.
Sera: That's SHITE.
Cassandra: I know!

[PorcelynDoll]

I vastly prefer it and I have always been pro mage before. The only draw back for me is you don't get Cullen's quest if you choose the Templars.

[In Exile]

Now that I've played both I think the mage missionaries works far better. With it you see the world shattered and in ruins. Corypheus won. When he attacks it isn't with a bunch of mages - it's with an army of mutated, monstrous Templars. The world was devastated by a breach that covered the entire Sky and it was infested with red lyrium. Suddenly you're attacked by an army infested with red lyrium.

I dunno, I much prefer the bleakness infesting the world if you go mages.

[Melca36]

Now that I've played both I think the mage missionaries works far better. With it you see the world shattered and in ruins. Corypheus won. When he attacks it isn't with a bunch of mages - it's with an army of mutated, monstrous Templars. The world was devastated by a breach that covered the entire Sky and it was infested with red lyrium. Suddenly you're attacked by an army infested with red lyrium.

I dunno, I much prefer the bleakness infesting the world if you go mages.

 

Yeah its much better considering how some Tempers willingly  followed

[Ashagar]

Yeah its much better considering how some Tempers willingly  followed

 

At least with the Templars you find if even you side with the mages you can find out thatt many Templars fought back and were killed because the inquisition wasn't there but all the mages meekly join Corypheus's forces though the thing that offends me the most about the mages is what happened to the tranquil.

 

I don't believe for a moment that Fiona or any of the other mages didn't know what the Tevinter were doing to the tranquil but you can never call them out on it or investigate it further.

[Cha0sEff3ct]

I thought the first part of the go get the Templar's mission was stupid, because it seemed frivolous and not to be taken seriously with the nobles at Therinfal Redoubt in Occupy Wall Street fashion. However, it was a great mission towards the end and I loved the speech to the templars. It works for a pro chantry/templar inquisitor which I'm playing now. 

 

I feel bad that I leave Alistair's mother and Connor to die though in doing so.

[moxiegraphix]

At least with the Templars you find if even you side with the mages you can find out thatt many Templars fought back and were killed because the inquisition wasn't there but all the mages meekly join Corypheus's forces though the thing that offends me the most about the mages is what happened to the tranquil.

 

I don't believe for a moment that Fiona or any of the other mages didn't know what the Tevinter were doing to the tranquil but you can never call them out on it or investigate it further.

 

Having Vivienne in your party when you discover what they're doing with the Tranquil is interesting. She was disgusted and made a comment about how she'd hoped they would be safe with the rebels but she was obviously mistaken. I feel like they really dropped the ball in not making it more of a 'thing'. They drop this big, creepy bomb on us and then do nothing with it.

 

It also assures I will recruit that one tranquil in Redcliffe's tavern every time I go to meet Fiona (which I will do whether or not I actually side with the Templars). 

[The Baconer]

At least with the Templars you find if even you side with the mages you can find out thatt many Templars fought back and were killed because the inquisition wasn't there but all the mages meekly join Corypheus's forces though the thing that offends me the most about the mages is what happened to the tranquil.

 

No they don't. One of Dorian's conversations with Iron Bull confirms that the mages who didn't agree were killed if they didn't successfully escape.

[Ashagar]

Interesting they must of disposed of the bodies then because I seem to recall sending the chargers to investage Redcliff castle and they found empty with all the mages gone while if they investigate the rebout they find a lot of dead Templars.

[draken-heart]

Just my thought on the mage quest:

• I find it stupid that you fight the whole mission IN THE FUTURE. The quest ends with the bad guy you faced in the future just giving up, for no real reason from his stand point.
• The only explanation for the whole incident is "breach caused it." It is illogical to think that the Veil was all that was holding time magic from being real.
• Fiona not remembering makes no sense unless you simply accept the "time magic was exclusive to Redcliff and did not affect anything else at all which makes no sense as her not meeting you in VR would mean that the invitation never happened and the rest of the party (Cassandra especially) should not remember meeting her at all. The fact that none of your companions remark that "you sound like you got knocked on the head"/they do not remember the invitation.

[Arvaarad]

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Just my thought on the mage quest:

• I find it stupid that you fight the whole mission IN THE FUTURE. The quest ends with the bad guy you faced in the future just giving up, for no real reason from his stand point.
• The only explanation for the whole incident is "breach caused it." It is illogical to think that the Veil was all that was holding time magic from being real.
• Fiona not remembering makes no sense unless you simply accept the "time magic was exclusive to Redcliff and did not affect anything else at all which makes no sense as her not meeting you in VR would mean that the invitation never happened and the rest of the party (Cassandra especially) should not remember meeting her at all. The fact that none of your companions remark that "you sound like you got knocked on the head"/they do not remember the invitation.

I dunno, if I sent someone into the future and they pop back to the present covered in blood and demon gibs, I'd reconsider my current course of action.

Besides which, Alexius is pretty defeated already. He's only working with Corypheus in the hope that, with his resources, he'll be able to rewind time so his wife and son never get attacked by darkspawn. If that's doomed to failure, then what reason does he have to keep fighting the inquisition?