He still gets that promotion
Not enough for me.
Can you let me know, perhaps in a spoiler tag, what happens with Con templars in the epilogue? it's the only choice I haven't taken yet.
Depends on the divine, what Cassandra does with the seekers and how Cullen handles his lyrium addiction i believe.
For example.
Depends on the divine, what Cassandra does with the seekers and how Cullen handles his lyrium addiction.
Doesn't Cass reform the Seekers no matter what you told her?
Doesn't Cass reform the Seekers no matter what you told her?
Does she? I am actually unsure.
I will never understand the "OMG Leliana!" from the mage quest people. But maybe that's because that whole time I was going "wait...what? WHAT. EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS ****** QUEST WAS A LIE."
Where exactly is the proof of this?
Leliana's reports from the chargers if you sided with the Templars reveal that the Venatori were performing a binding ritual (aka the brainwashing ritual in Calpernia's quest), on the remaining mages, the guide itself says that if you sided with the Templars, Corypheus' Venatori are bolstered with brainwashed mages, and a note you find in a Venatori camp in the Hissing Wastes if you sided with the Templars has the Venatori gloat about how Corypheus prefers them since they successfully brainwashed the mages from Redcliffe while the Red Templars failed in Therinfal.
Does she? I am actually unsure.
I don't think so. Fluffyninjallama uploaded another Divine Cass ending and the ending there never said anything about the Templars joining the Seekers. It said that most of the Templars rejoined the reformed order while those left became the Inquisitor's personal guard. Also, Leliana reforms the Seekers anyway if Cass doesn't.
Leliana's reports from the chargers if you sided with the Templars reveal that the Venatori were performing a binding ritual (aka the brainwashing ritual in Calpernia's quest), on the remaining mages, the guide itself says that if you sided with the Templars, Corypheus' Venatori are bolstered with brainwashed mages, and a note you find in a Venatori camp in the Hissing Wastes if you sided with the Templars has the Venatori gloat about how Corypheus prefers them since they successfully brainwashed the mages from Redcliffe while the Red Templars failed in Therinfal.
Wait they did the same stupidity the wardens did?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Welp thanks there went any sympathy at all I had for the mages.
Wait they did the same stupidity the wardens did?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Welp thanks there went any sympathy at all I had for the mages.
They didn't do it on purpose. The quest says that the mages were imprisoned and the Venatori forced the binding on them. Corypheus was planning on doing the same to Calpernia.
Funny how nobody cares about the corrupt Templar leadership. That pretty much removed any possible sympathy I had for Templars. I consider them becoming Red Templars and promptly being destroyed afterwards to be a fitting end of their own hatred of mages destroying them.
They didn't do it on purpose. The quest says that the mages were imprisoned and the Venatori forced the binding on them. Corypheus was planning on doing the same to Calpernia.
The mages allowed the Ventaroi to occupy the castle in force and then imprison them before being bound. Yeah I'm still laughing.
The mages allowed the Ventaroi to occupy the castle in force and then imprison them before being bound. Yeah I'm still laughing.
And I'm still laughing that the Templars still willing took something that is known caused insanity and corruption. The templar leadership was corrupt and I laughed that it was their undoing and gave mages freedom.
And I'm still laughing that the Templars still willing took something that is known caused insanity and corruption. The templar leadership was corrupt and I laughed that it was their undoing and gave mages freedom.
Uh...you really fell asleep during the red lyrium explanations didn't you. *pats* tis okay.
That said I did laugh at all thsoe poor I WANT FREEDOM mages that ultimately died as slaves. It was amusing.
They didn't do it on purpose. The quest says that the mages were imprisoned and the Venatori forced the binding on them. Corypheus was planning on doing the same to Calpernia.
Funny how nobody cares about the corrupt Templar leadership. That pretty much removed any possible sympathy I had for Templars. I consider them becoming Red Templars and promptly being destroyed afterwards to be a fitting end of their own hatred of mages destroying them.
I think both sides had crap leadership and both sides need a purging. And I would love to send my Inquisitor to do the purging. The Mages have been tricked and under an evil influence and I want to help. But I want to help the templars too. The game forces you to choose to save one side and the cost of losing the other when both need help. After complaints that DA:O and DA2 really lacked any "grey" choices (there always seems a more "neutral" option like ask Circle for help to save Connor or Zarathan making amends and removing the curse on his own, or the choices were pretty obvious which was morally better). Bioware seemd like they threw this one out there to really stymie those arguments since both sides are being manipulated and both sides can be saved/redeemed.
Uh...you really fell asleep during the red lyrium explanations didn't you. *pats* tis okay.
That said I did laugh at all thsoe poor I WANT FREEDOM mages that ultimately died as slaves. It was amusing.
I did laugh when all those Templars who wanted to kill mages/ force them back in their circles wound up destroying their order and giving mages their freedom. But it's okay, the truth can be hard to take.
I think both sides had crap leadership and both sides need a purging. And I would love to send my Inquisitor to do the purging. The Mages have been tricked and under an evil influence and I want to help. But I want to help the templars too. The game forces you to choose to save one side and the cost of losing the other when both need help. After complaints that DA:O and DA2 really lacked any "grey" choices (there always seems a more "neutral" option like ask Circle for help to save Connor or Zarathan making amends and removing the curse on his own, or the choices were pretty obvious which was morally better). Bioware seemd like they threw this one out there to really stymie those arguments since both sides are being manipulated and both sides can be saved/redeemed.
To be fair, if you went to Redcliffe, you know the mages are in trouble but you have absolutely no idea the Templars are in any trouble. For all you know, the Templars are just sitting around doing nothing while you know the mages are essentially slaves to the Venatori. If you choose not to save the mages after selecting their mission, the dialogue options to not accept imply that the Inquisitor doesn't want the hassle of trying to save them and abandons them to their fate to save the Templars. In other words, you are abandoning the mages to get Templars if you don't do their mission.
I did laugh when all those Templars who wanted to kill mages/ force them back in their circles wound up destroying their order and giving mages their freedom. But it's okay, the truth can be hard to take.
? Who said anything about the truth? I'm well aware the templars rebellion ultimately gives the mages more freedoms no matter which Divine you use. I'm just laughing at the redcliffe mages. Also the circle quite exists in my game so all those mages who died wanting the circle disbanded died in failure 
Funny how nobody cares about the corrupt Templar leadership. That pretty much removed any possible sympathy I had for Templars. I consider them becoming Red Templars and promptly being destroyed afterwards to be a fitting end of their own hatred of mages destroying them.
Both sides didn't have the best leaders, however the templars had far more bad rank and file troops than did the mages. They went on ethnic cleansing rampages for months...following bad order after bad order and knowing full well that what they were doing was illegal in the eyes of the chantry (and all this happened before the red lyrium thing). I have some respect for templars who left the order, like Lysette or Rylen. The rest got what they deserved.
And I'm still laughing that the Templars still willing took something that is known caused insanity and corruption. The templar leadership was corrupt and I laughed that it was their undoing and gave mages freedom.
Except for the rank and file didn't know and the leaders who would have known better, many were killed at the conclave, the Knight-Vigilant was murdered after surviving the conclave and the few remaining leaders were traitors. Its not like Red Lyrium was common knowledge in the general Templar order and they were brought different types of lyrium to sample all the time and even then many knights were questioning what was going on which is what lead to the red Templars trying to kill them all which happens regardless of wither the inquisition is there or not.
To be fair, if you went to Redcliffe, you know the mages are in trouble but you have absolutely no idea the Templars are in any trouble. For all you know, the Templars are just sitting around doing nothing while you know the mages are essentially slaves to the Venatori. If you choose not to save the mages after selecting their mission, the dialogue options to not accept imply that the Inquisitor doesn't want the hassle of trying to save them and abandons them to their fate to save the Templars. In other words, you are abandoning the mages to get Templars if you don't do their mission.
Oh yeah I know. Like I said, I'm not role-playing here. I am looking at the best decision based on all the facts with hindsight 20/20. My issue is that I don't have a lot of time for multiple playthroughs so I just want to invest in one playthrough and get the most optimal ending for my tastes.
Now I'll admit that the way the game was presented to me, I feel the urgency to rescue the mages more than talk to some Templars holed away somewhere. In a way I wish I didn't spoil myself but oh well.
I'm actually RPing my female human mage run right now
Mages or Templars..........from an RP that's tricky
Went to te mages first................from an RP stanpoint, she wants them allll dead for signing on with Tevinter
but...........mage.......templars.............rocky subjects
Uh...you really fell asleep during the red lyrium explanations didn't you. *pats* tis okay.
That said I did laugh at all thsoe poor I WANT FREEDOM mages that ultimately died as slaves. It was amusing.
Sorry, I can't get on the bandwagon that finds the murder/enslavement of children "amusing". Fiona, yea, cause she's an idiot who led them down that path but the mages had children among them, and Connor is barely an adult. At least all the templars are adults.
Sorry, I can't get on the bandwagon that finds the murder/enslavement of children "amusing". Fiona, yea, cause she's an idiot who led them down that path but the mages had children among them, and Connor is barely an adult. At least all the templars are adults.
The Templars apprentices arent, they join the order at young age. So you are condemming them to muder/enslavement when you side with the mages.
^basically what they said
We get told by Cullen that Templar recruits are trained/recruited at a young age as well.. I would assume some of the children were still under "protection" of the order and either killed or made into red lyrium things. The murder of children isn't exclusive to mages probably..
Sorry, I can't get on the bandwagon that finds the murder/enslavement of children "amusing". Fiona, yea, cause she's an idiot who led them down that path but the mages had children among them, and Connor is barely an adult. At least all the templars are adults.
Finally, somebody mentions that. Guess templar supporters don't care about harming children considering kids were definitely killed if you sided with the templars in the previous games.
The Templars apprentices arent, they join the order at young age. So you are condemming them to muder/enslavement when you side with the mages.
There is no mention at all in DA:I of templars having children at Therinfal, but Fiona flat out states during a dialogue with Alexius that there are children among the mages. I presume children templar recruits were sent to the chantry, or dead in the fighting that occurs during the pre-game events. I can't see Knight Captain Whosit letting any of the kids live once he started corrupting the order even if they had gone to Therinfal. They wouldn't withstand the red lyrium ravaging their bodies, and they lack fighting skills, since Alistair will tell you in Origins that the fight training doesn't come till 'later' when they have the physical stamina/strength to learn.
I'm pretty confident that any kids among their numbers were elsewhere away from the fighting or already dead.
Mage children, however would be just as powerful as their adult contemporaries and potentially useful as slaves/cannon fodder.
Mage children, however would be just as powerful as their adult contemporaries and potentially useful as slaves/cannon fodder.
I doubt that. The mage origin of DA:O shows an apprentice struggling to cast a basic barrier. They will probably be sold into slavery, but I can't think of any use they could have in battle.
For all we know, children to Fiona might mean young adults (early 20s or something) since she is older. Wynne called people "child" all the time.
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