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[Ryzaki]

Oh yeah playing as a circle mage is fun.

 

That mage chick in redcliffe was hating hard.

[elrofrost]

The bad thing about this is that choosing the mages (which most do) you get less story about Cory. He's not some dusty old mage wanting to conquer the world. Here's a guy who was promised everything by his god (Dumat) then abandon by his god, (who himself was cast out), then imprisoned for a thousand+ years. I'd be kind-of pissed too.

 

And in the end, when you beat Cory, he calls out one final time for his god. And gets nothing. And dies. It's sort of sad. I mean, Cory needed to die... but I don't think he was "evil".

[TK514]

Any option that doesn't involve time travel is by default the better story than one which does.

[Gaz83]

I went Templar on my cannon run, simply because the mages circle come out of the conflict well no matter who you pick, if you play your cards right.

Just soften Leliana and encourage her to become the next divine. She abolishes the circle and lets them look after themselves. 

[Ziegrif]

Wait.

 

A tranquil who supports Samson?

 

Did I kill someone I shouldn't have?

 

Again?

[DuskWanderer]

Yeah, I like the templar mission (and allying with the templars) a lot. While Samson is an interesting villain, so is Calpernia, and Barris is infinitely more interesting than Fiona. I've never done an "allying with the mages" so that might be better.

 

Plus, Cole is light years ahead of Dorian. 

[thesuperdarkone2]

Wait.

 

A tranquil who supports Samson?

 

Did I kill someone I shouldn't have?

 

Again?

If you sided with the mages, you get quests that end with you finding the Tranquil who helped make Samson's armor. It's the tranquil who was responsible for getting Samson kicked out but was rescued by him and became loyal to him. He winds up killing himself so Samson's secrets aren't revealed.

[Myusha123]

I just wish Fiona didn't get ****** killed if you don't side with Mages.

[Ryzaki]

I just wish Fiona didn't get ****** killed if you don't side with Mages.

 

Heck no. That's a good chunk of the reason I side with the templars.

[panamakira]

I'm actually doing a playthrough where I sided with Templars and I enjoyed the quest related to it. Also Calpernia is such an interesting character. I agree that we don't get to explore Cory much on the pro-Mage side. 

 

I'm actually disappointed I don't know of Calpernia at all if I side with the mages. I'm very pro-Mage, even in this playthrough where I chose the Templars I felt I was more neutral since I have included lots of mages as my agents and Inquisition.

[Ziegrif]

If you sided with the mages, you get quests that end with you finding the Tranquil who helped make Samson's armor. It's the tranquil who was responsible for getting Samson kicked out but was rescued by him and became loyal to him. He winds up killing himself so Samson's secrets aren't revealed.

 

Never met the guy.

I guess I wandered the wrong way then.

[Cypher0020]

My 1st run as a mage worke with the templars

 

Fiona was just too much-- selling out to Tevinter? Yeah... like that won't bit her in the arse. Plus, she was a little snippy when you first meet her- for wanting open rebelion, she was holing back her help? Yeah. No.

 

Cole makes a lot more sense, plus we get Ser Barris, best templar ever

[Emu8207]

I still haven't done the Templar side, need to get that done at some point.

[ButtHurtPunk]

 

 

Also Sansom was the worst villain.

 

Worst villain to have an amazing song since One Winged Angel. 

[nightscrawl]

I found myself sympathizing with ex-slave Calpernia, to the point where my pro-Templar templar Trevelyan pardoned her to return to Tevinter and make it better.

On my first play as a female mage I chose the mages because I typically am pro-mage. I enjoyed the trip into the future with Dorian and because I had planned to make a male Inquisitor on my second play to specifically romance him I also picked the mages on that play, even though I had originally intended to pick the templars on a second play; the decision was entirely motivated by the inclusion of Dorian.

Now that you mention this I am extremely curious and interested to see how Dorian reacts to this, given his own desire to return to Tevinter to change things.

 

The pro-Mage mission takes you into Redcliffe castle, which is a fairly standard dungeons in spite of the Fade rips.  Much of it is carried by Dorian's sparkling personality.  The central and interesting drama with Alexius and his son is not heavily developed.

Hm, while Dorian does certainly carry the mission, I do feel that the conflict with Alexius was developed fairly well. Not only do we have Dorian's personal history with him, but also his (Dorian's) interest in Felix's welfare. Taken along with the betrayal by Dorian's father, I tend to feel that Alexius's actions in trying to recruit Dorian for the Venatori -- to which Dorian also seems to regard as a betrayal of everything Alexius taught him -- adds to the development of Dorian's character for the player.

This is the primary reason I will have a difficult time foregoing siding with the mages in favor of the templars. I also really liked the personal connection that Cullen has to Samson and his reaction to everything. And far down the line of considerations is hearing Gideon Emery in yet another Dragon Age game.

However, you do make it sound extremely interesting, so I will definitely give it a try.

[SgtSteel91]

Make two play-throughs and enjoy both:

 

I'm planning to have a Warrior do the Mage quest and a Mage do the Templar quest because I like irony.

[Al Foley]

Not another thread about the morality of mages versus Templars - all my canon runs are pro-mage.

 

But I've done both pro-Templar and pro-Mage now, and I'm kind of glad I did the Templar run first.  I think I understand and appreciate the story better because of it.

 

The reasons:

• Nemesis: Samson had a one-game head start on Calpernia, so he should have had the advantage where this stuff is concerned.  But I didn't understand Samson's motives at all until he was giving testimony at his trial.  I found myself sympathizing with ex-slave Calpernia, to the point where my pro-Templar templar Trevelyan pardoned her to return to Tevinter and make it better.  When we last saw Samson he'd been sorely disillusioned with the mage cause, and now he was sided with the biggest-baddest mage of them all and his army of Tevinter cultists.
• Ally: Fiona was a known quantity too.  I liked her from The Calling, many hated her.  Her understated appearance in DAI didn't really change anyone's opinion of her.  Some of the things she was doing seemed hard to fathom too, and when you get her she just kind of hangs out in the library.  Ser Barris, meanwhile, has quickly become a fan favourite, and you can send him out on missions.
• Recruitment: The pro-Mage mission takes you into Redcliffe castle, which is a fairly standard dungeons in spite of the Fade rips.  Much of it is carried by Dorian's sparkling personality.  The central and interesting drama with Alexius and his son is not heavily developed.  It also introduced time travel, which is an element most fans seemed to react badly too.  The pro-Templar run was tense, exciting, and dramatic, and the dive into the Fade gave you insight into the darker side of Cassandra's character.  The Fade was a pretty safe place to bring players (safer than time travel) and the battle against the Envy demon was epic.
• Corypheus: When I first got to the forums, I was surprised to see how many felt Corypheus was a complete nonentity, a blank.  It took me awhile to realize most people had never set foot in the pro-Templar version of the Temple of Dumat, where you can find Corypheus's journals.  His agony over the silence of his old god.  His surprising respect for Calpernia, and his regret at using her for a vessel.  Suddenly this alien, monstrous villain had an emotional complexity.  The most interesting thing in the pro-mage run was a Tranquil who'd chosen to side with Samson of his own free will.

So am I way off on this...?  Irrespective of which choice is "right," does the Templar path make the better story in DAI?

Well...damn.  I just might have to do this on my second play through even though I think I will have to drag my second Inqusitior kicking and screaming into it...question though: Darker side of Cassandra's character?

[berrieh]

One thing that makes the Mage playthrough better - unless I missed some stuff at Therinfall - is that there is way more interesting notes. All the notes on how they're trying to cure Felix and Alexius is getting more paranoid and rifts are opening in the Castle, etc. It gives me a strong feeling of foreboding, suspense, and interest every time through. I read them every single time. They're so good. I was really disappointed at the lack of notes and stuff in general (there are a few) at TR.

 

The bad thing about this is that choosing the mages (which most do) you get less story about Cory. He's not some dusty old mage wanting to conquer the world. Here's a guy who was promised everything by his god (Dumat) then abandon by his god, (who himself was cast out), then imprisoned for a thousand+ years. I'd be kind-of pissed too.

 

And in the end, when you beat Cory, he calls out one final time for his god. And gets nothing. And dies. It's sort of sad. I mean, Cory needed to die... but I don't think he was "evil".

 

Do you really get more in siding with the Templars on this (just doing it for the first time and not all the way done with the playthrough, so maybe haven't noticed yet)? He basically conveys all that at Haven, and it's repeated throughout even in the Mage playthrough. It do disagree on the "not evil" thing (having a reason to be pissed off at your "God" doesn't make trying to take over the world and cause mass-destruction, murder, and chaos "not evil") but I always thought his motivation was sheer pain at being betrayed by his Gods or their nonexistence - he says this, several times - and that's why he seeks to "create Certainty where there is none" and become a God himself. All 3 of my first playthroughs were Mages, and I got this. When does the Templar one flesh it out more? It didn't really at Therinfall that I noticed.

[DarkSpiral]

Do you really get more in siding with the Templars on this (just doing it for the first time and not all the way done with the playthrough, so maybe haven't noticed yet)? He basically conveys all that at Haven, and it's repeated throughout even in the Mage playthrough. It do disagree on the "not evil" thing (having a reason to be pissed off at your "God" doesn't make trying to take over the world and cause mass-destruction, murder, and chaos "not evil") but I always thought his motivation was sheer pain at being betrayed by his Gods or their nonexistence - he says this, several times - and that's why he seeks to "create Certainty where there is none" and become a God himself. All 3 of my first playthroughs were Mages, and I got this. When does the Templar one flesh it out more? It didn't really at Therinfall that I noticed.

You find a bunch of crystals Cory recorded memories into, at the Shrine of Dumat, if Calpernia is the Nemesis.

[katerinafm]

Where is Ser Barris? I knew about Fiona in the library, but I've sided with the templars now on my second playthrough and it seems I completely missed him in Skyhold. I'd like to talk to him and do his missions before I finish the game.

 

I do agree that I was surprised at how much more info you get on Corypheus if you side with the templars. He still feels a bit lackluster to me to be honest, but its a hundred times better now that I got a glimpse of his thoughts. His character felt like a placeholder when I sided with the mages on my first run.

The fade stuff was really cool in the templar mission too, though I did like the time traveling bit with Dorian as well. Would have liked a mixture, to be honest.

Also Fiona has a really weird role regardless of who you side with in my opinion. She is the only person that got clean of the taint, we NEVER learn why, the Wardens don't even think about using her for tests and just send her away (?????), the HOF is trying to find a cure for the Calling but never thinks to approach the only person that got free from it (?????), AND Fiona ends up being a mini boss if you side with the templars for some reason. Was she forced with blood magic? Was her siding with tevinter always a result of blood magic? We never find out. Oh and she's Alistair's mother, but who cares apparently. So disappointing.

[berrieh]

You find a bunch of crystals Cory recorded memories into, at the Shrine of Dumat, if Calpernia is the Nemesis.

 

Oh, cool. Something to look forward to. At any rate, I don't think those are necessary to get the impression you got - I'm sure they help. 

[Ryzaki]

Where is Ser Barris? I knew about Fiona in the library, but I've sided with the templars now on my second playthrough and it seems I completely missed him in Skyhold. I'd like to talk to him and do his missions before I finish the game.

 

I do agree that I was surprised at how much more info you get on Corypheus if you side with the templars. He still feels a bit lackluster to me to be honest, but its a hundred times better now that I got a glimpse of his thoughts. His character felt like a placeholder when I sided with the mages on my first run.

The fade stuff was really cool in the templar mission too, though I did like the time traveling bit with Dorian as well. Would have liked a mixture, to be honest.

Also Fiona has a really weird role regardless of who you side with in my opinion. She is the only person that got clean of the taint, we NEVER learn why, the Wardens don't even think about using her for tests and just send her away (?????), the HOF is trying to find a cure for the Calling but never thinks to approach the only person that got free from it (?????), AND Fiona ends up being a mini boss if you side with the templars for some reason. Was she forced with blood magic? Was her siding with tevinter always a result of blood magic? We never find out. Oh and she's Alistair's mother, but who cares apparently. So disappointing.

 

Sadly Barras isn't at skyhold.

 

Too busy saving people.

[KaiserShep]

Sadly Barras isn't at skyhold.
 
Too busy saving people.

Can he still do this if the Templars are conscripted?

[Ryzaki]

Can he still do this if the Templars are conscripted?

 

Supposedly. I don't get the missions if I choose conscription though. Maybe a bug? I dunno.

[Gill Kaiser]

You don't need to go for the Templars just to read Corypheus' journal entries. You can buy the codecies from the vendor in Val Royeaux.