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[Han Shot First]

I like the templars side but i can never get Ser barri's war table missions to appear. I guess its cause i always conscript them.

 

You get the missions with the Templars conscripted as well. Perhaps Barris died during your run? He can die at Therinfal if you leave the Templars fighting alone too long in the Great Hall.

 

 

 

KaiserShep, on 26 Dec 2014 - 12:18 AM, said:

Can he still do this if the Templars are conscripted?

 

Yes.

 

On my first run through the game I conscripted the Templars and got all the war table missions with Ser Barris, as well as the promotion 'judgement' scene. If conscripted Barris gets promoted to Knight Captain of the Inquisition's Templars.

[Dabrikishaw]

Ser Barris > Fiona.

 

That being said, I still like Fiona and I still prefer In Hushed Whispers.

[phaonica]

I've done both sides and while Fiona makes me angry, I still think the mage quest is more fun. I think the time travel and Alexius story is more interesting than the demon, and I like Dorian more than Cole.

[Ryzaki]

You get the missions with the Templars conscripted as well. Perhaps Barris died during your run? He can die at Therinfal if you leave the Templars fighting alone too long in the Great Hall.

 

 

 

 

Yes.

 

On my first run through the game I conscripted the Templars and got all the war table missions with Ser Barris, as well as the promotion 'judgement' scene. If conscripted Barris gets promoted to Knight Captain of the Inquisition's Templars.

 

Nope he's always there for me at the end. I'm not sure why I'm not getting the quests.

 

Why is this bugged. *cries*

 

But really I just really really prefer this track

 

 

to this one

 

[Thane4Ever]

I didn't even know you could talk to Fiona in Redcliffe without having to lock in siding with them.  On my second PT I talked to Fiona in Val Royaux then I avoided Redcliffe until after I accepted the siding with Templar mission.  So if you talk to Fiona first, you still meet Dorian even if you leave and do Templars?  And he still shows up at the Haven fight?

 

I will chime in and say I preferred the Templar playthrough - for all reasons mentioned, mostly because of the awesome way Cole was introduced and even Dorian.  I felt I still got a good sense of his relationship with Felix when he tells me about it later, and his shining moment is with his father, anyway.

[MelissaGT]

I can understand having to recruit either one or the other - what bugs me is getting locked out of one of the two Nemesis quest-lines that follow later. I generally only ever recruit the mages because I know that later on I will get the Samson quest-line, which gets me more screentime with the advisor that I prefer (not the biggest fan of Leliana, never was). I wish you could still do both Nemesis lines, seeing that Samson is not present at Therinfall redoubt - he's still at large in that timeline. Why wouldn't Cullen still want to hunt him down? The same can be said of Leliana's Nemesis quest-line.

 

Ideally, I would pretty much always choose to recruit the Templars over the mages, but over the course of several playthroughs, it's been a tough decision simply because of having to choose which Nemesis quest-line I want later. 

[Sylvianus]

Definitely better. Better introduction for Cole and Dorian, better quest line, and the fact that the inquisition doesn't need to see the future to stop a bad guy is definitely more interesting. ( Don't need to see the future either to know that it would be bad for the world if cory succeeds... )  It's also interesting with Cassandra, and the atmosphere, party banters, and the gameplay are definitely great. The fade was awesome, and the demon was cool, more than Alexius and his issues with his son ill, at least for me. ( boring. Really ? Everything because he couldn't let his son go ?  ) 

 

But honestly, like some people said above, it's ridiculous how we feel that there is an urgency for the mages but not the templars. I chose the mages first only because of that. 

 

The thing that I really appreciated with the mage side however was the sacrifice of Leliana. 

[Thane4Ever]

I am mostly doing a third playthrough just so I can do Cullen's Samson quest.  I stupidly went to the Arbor Wilds before completing Before the Dawn so I never got to do it on my mage PT.

[Thane4Ever]

And if you do Before the Dawn, who shows up at Arbor Wilds?  For me, I missed BtD, went to Arbor Wilds, Samson was there, then I got to judge him after that.

[Thane4Ever]

 I wish you could still do both Nemesis lines, seeing that Samson is not present at Therinfall redoubt - he's still at large in that timeline. Why wouldn't Cullen still want to hunt him down? The same can be said of Leliana's Nemesis quest-line.

I think if you choose Templars, the idea is that Samson has lost his army to fill up with red lyrium (mostly) so he's not much of a threat, and not worth the special mission.  And if you choose mages, ditto - Calpernia has lost her army, mostly, again not worth targeting specifically.

[TobiTobsen]

Nope he's always there for me at the end. I'm not sure why I'm not getting the quests.

 

Why is this bugged. *cries*

 

I had the same problem. Once they showed up, the other time they didn't. Seems to be a bit buggy.

[MissOuJ]

I didn't even know you could talk to Fiona in Redcliffe without having to lock in siding with them.  On my second PT I talked to Fiona in Val Royaux then I avoided Redcliffe until after I accepted the siding with Templar mission.  So if you talk to Fiona first, you still meet Dorian even if you leave and do Templars?  And he still shows up at the Haven fight?

 

Yes, actually.

 

The Point of No Return is the war table discussion - Cullen even points out to you that you could go get the Templars if you'd rather not play the bait. And later in the game, if you have high enough disapproval with Dorian, he will actually call you out on it - that he asked for your help, but you left the Redcliffe mages to the magister and went to recruit the Templars instead.

[Thane4Ever]

Yes, actually.

 

The Point of No Return is the war table discussion - Cullen even points out to you that you could go get the Templars if you'd rather not play the bait. And later in the game, if you have high enough disapproval with Dorian, he will actually call you out on it - that he asked for your help, but you left the Redcliffe mages to the magister and went to recruit the Templars instead.

Interesting. I wonder if he says it even if you didn't go to Redcliffe first?  Probably not as this game is pretty good with that sort of thing.  I've seen that disapproval video, the person that posted it punches him.  Hard to watch!  I'm still baffled how you get low approvals with anyone.  I know you have to make decisions they don't like, I guess you also have to avoid their personal missions?  Not to get off subject.

[Zetrial]

Overall I think I do prefer the Templar quest because playing through it is more interesting but at the same time I may still end up choosing the Mage Quest seven times out of ten. Mostly because I prefer to play elves and, unless Josephine is a miracle worker, I have a hard time believing that ten Orlesian noble families would rally around an upstart Dalish Elf.

Other than that, it's just the fact that it's a Tevinter Magister involved in what's going on at Redcliffe. Time magic and a hostile foreign power right within Fereldan's borders and in one of its more important towns always feels a bit more urgent to me. I mean, I know it's just the Venatori and not a chunk of Tevinter's army sitting in Redcliffe but it still doesn't seem like something you should just leave alone.

My train of thought is that by chasing the Templars you aren't just flat out abandoning the situation at Redcliffe, if you ask where Teagan is in the Mage briefing, they say he rode straight to the capital to get the monarchs aid and likely wouldn't need you when they have besieged the place.
So the situation is likely to be handled if you do nothing, where as the Templar would still be unaccounted for, so may as well handle the faction that doesn't have a solution in progress. Add in the fact that the Mages voluntarily deferred to Fiona who sought to find refuge in Tevinter, their choice was made, hardly seemed my place to bail them out of a bad deal. All that combined with weakening the breach seems wiser than powering up the mark makes it hard for me to side with the Mages.
Though I do enjoy how character defining In Hushed Whispers can be, previous lax and sarcastic character all of a sudden is given massive motivation to aim up, get serious and succeed at any cost.

[Precursor Meta]

I like the templar story. I played the mage story and didn't like it. Plus it had time travel in it. I loathe time travel plots!

After doing research, I found it cool to finally meet Fiona (my first DA game so she's new to me) but I do feel like she could've done more being the one who started the mage rebellion, instead she's just stands idle on the library...lame!

[luckybaer]

I went with the Mages in my first playthrough, and now, for my second playthrough, I chose the Templars.
 
I usually sympathize with the Mages in the name of liberty - I didn't like the idea of the Circle, etc. - but I decided to go with the Templars, and enjoyed that plot line much more.  I'll be curious to see what ends up happening with the Mages now that I've chosen the Templars.

 

Spoiler

I also went ballz out and chose to disband the Templars and have them join the Inquisition, rather than have the Inquisition partner with the Templars as "equals."

[MelissaGT]

Interesting. I wonder if he says it even if you didn't go to Redcliffe first?  Probably not as this game is pretty good with that sort of thing.  I've seen that disapproval video, the person that posted it punches him.  Hard to watch!  I'm still baffled how you get low approvals with anyone.  I know you have to make decisions they don't like, I guess you also have to avoid their personal missions?  Not to get off subject.

 

Thankfully my disapproval never got that high with him, even when I recruited the Templars. No matter what I do, I can't bring myself to NOT be besties with Dorian. He's by far my favorite companion. 

[DariusDrannen]

When people say "Corypheus' journals" in the Temple of Dumat, are they referring to the memory shard fragments?  Or were there actual journals on top of the (I believe six) memory shards?

[Hydwn]

When people say "Corypheus' journals" in the Temple of Dumat, are they referring to the memory shard fragments?  Or were there actual journals on top of the (I believe six) memory shards?

 

The memory shards.  They constitute a kind of journal.

[Gill Kaiser]

Time magic seems the bigger threat rp-wise, yes, until you reach a codex in it from alexius saying 'I can't travel back further then the breach opening'. The Breach allowed time travel unleashing all the magic into the world.

 

Even though that's the case, if Alexius could get it under control, he could still time travel back to the instant the Breach was created, and kill the Inquisitor as soon as he/she fell out of the Fade.

 

Sure, Cory wouldn't get the Anchor, so his plan wouldn't properly succeed. However, the world would go to hell, so it's the main threat.

[zeypher]

You get the missions with the Templars conscripted as well. Perhaps Barris died during your run? He can die at Therinfal if you leave the Templars fighting alone too long in the Great Hall.

 

 

 

 

Yes.

 

On my first run through the game I conscripted the Templars and got all the war table missions with Ser Barris, as well as the promotion 'judgement' scene. If conscripted Barris gets promoted to Knight Captain of the Inquisition's Templars.

 

He didnt die, he is also in my agents list under forces. Twice this has happened, both times he is alive but his war table missions do not appear. Oh also both times i conscripted the templars, but no dice. His war table missions refuse to show up for me.

[Ascendra]

I can understand having to recruit either one or the other - what bugs me is getting locked out of one of the two Nemesis quest-lines that follow later. I generally only ever recruit the mages because I know that later on I will get the Samson quest-line, which gets me more screentime with the advisor that I prefer (not the biggest fan of Leliana, never was). I wish you could still do both Nemesis lines, seeing that Samson is not present at Therinfall redoubt - he's still at large in that timeline. Why wouldn't Cullen still want to hunt him down? The same can be said of Leliana's Nemesis quest-line.

 

Ideally, I would pretty much always choose to recruit the Templars over the mages, but over the course of several playthroughs, it's been a tough decision simply because of having to choose which Nemesis quest-line I want later. 

 

Have you tried the Templars?

I would say that Templar quest is still relevant if you are romancing Cullen. Sure, there is no additional drama regarding Samson, but there is a small part where envy uses your fears against you and for me they featured Cullen. (I don't know whether it always happens or characters change based on your preference) I thought it was a great touch and really hit a soft spot with my character. Granted its very minor and short in comparison to the whole quest line and happens early, but it can kick you pretty hard.

[Ascendra]

Yes, actually.

 

The Point of No Return is the war table discussion - Cullen even points out to you that you could go get the Templars if you'd rather not play the bait. And later in the game, if you have high enough disapproval with Dorian, he will actually call you out on it - that he asked for your help, but you left the Redcliffe mages to the magister and went to recruit the Templars instead.

 

Dorian calls you out on this? Wow, thats actually an awesome tiny bit of writing. Damn, I wish these things were more obvious and frequent.

[MelissaGT]

Have you tried the Templars?

I would say that Templar quest is still relevant if you are romancing Cullen. Sure, there is no additional drama regarding Samson, but there is a small part where envy uses your fears against you and for me they featured Cullen. (I don't know whether it always happens or characters change based on your preference) I thought it was a great touch and really hit a soft spot with my character. Granted its very minor and short in comparison to the whole quest line and happens early, but it can kick you pretty hard.

 

Yes, I've done both. I prefer the Templar quest, but I wish we could keep Cullen's nemesis quest-line. 

 

I played it through again last night with my dual-dagger fireball rogue and up til this point she didn't particularly care for Cullen. Seeing what Envy played out in her head did hit home (from what I've read Cullen says the same thing to everybody), so I will use that as a RP jumping point.

 

I just really like the resolution you can give Cullen with the Samson line. The convo you get with him where he contemplates what could have been and how if things had happened differently, he could have been a red templar...that's one of my favorite scenes in the game. Because of this, I usually end up picking mages by default (even though I would love to throw dirt in Fiona's face). It's probably not the best way to RP though, which is why for my current characters (2h warrior goddess and dual-dagger fireball) I'm going to end up picking the Templars because that's what they would do given the situation.