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[arelenriel]

To an ancient immortal elf -- a Dalish is a shemlen since the term means "quick children" e.g. not immortal .. essentially to Abelas and

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Solas

everyone is a shemlen except other ancient elves ... it is not meant as an insult by them it merely is a fact-- other races including modern elves are not immortal, they are mortal and die quickly. Only modern elves use it as an insult and a hypocritical one at that .

 

As for the Mythal thing--

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being able to ask who Mythal is if you are Dalish is probably an oversight- possibly they originally intended to have two variants for the Elf Inquisitor both a Dalish and a City Elf and city elves are Andrastians and would not have known who Mythal is. As per calling Flemythal "Ashn'Bellanar" all Dalish refer to her as that because she has had a long relationship with the elves and has been helping them (implied in the exchange at Sundermount in DAII )since Mythal first began inhabiting Flemeth just as they have helped her by transporting her soul pieces and restoring her whenever she is killed... in both cases either as Flemeth or Mythal is an appropriate title

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

You know, DA: I gives a whole new perspective on Flemeth's comment to Merrill in DA 2.

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Merrill bows to Flemeth and Flemeth asks "do you know who I am". Merril says only a little and Flemeth tells her to stand, the people bend their knee too quickly. Now it makes sense, Flemeth is host to Mythal and only Mythal's slaves would be expected to bend knee to her.

[LobselVith8]

When s/he sees Flemeth, or rather, Mythal, s/he DOESN'T know that she's also Flemeth. However, s/he calls Mythal "Woman of Many Years" (don't know the Elvish spelling :. Then, later, after realizing that Mythal is also Flemeth, the Inquisitor can say that the Dalish call Flemeth "Woman of Many Years". Is this just a mistake or something. It might be, seeing as when my Dalish Inquisitor was at the Temple of Mythal, Abelas called her "shemlen".
Yeah, just wondering if this was an oversight or what.

Well, the dialogue where Lavellan asks Morrigan who Mythal is (which makes no sense for a Dalish protagonist) could suggest that the developers dropped the ball in other areas of this quest.

[SpiritMuse]

Well, the dialogue where Lavellan asks Morrigan who Mythal is (which makes no sense for a Dalish protagonist) could suggest that the developers dropped the ball in other areas of this quest.

Except you don't have to ask that question. Just because it's there doesn't mean your Inquisitor would ask it.

Although to be fair they could have at least phrased it differently as the questions are also there for the player's benefit.

[Deanna]

History knowledge perk gives you special dialogue with Flemeth, she knew who she was but what really bugged me with my elf was when they were in the Arbor Wilds and Morrigan tells her the temple of Mythal is there my elf automatically says "which is?" I mean wow your a Dalish elf, you should know who Mythal is or even the temple of Mythal.

[phaonica]

Maybe there's some dialog that loops improperly. I thought it was odd that my Dalish seemed be unfamiliar with who Mythal was supposed to be and that Morrigan had to explain it.

[phaonica]

History knowledge perk gives you special dialogue with Flemeth, she knew who she was but what really bugged me with my elf was when they were in the Arbor Wilds and Morrigan tells her the temple of Mythal is there my elf automatically says "which is?" I mean wow your a Dalish elf, you should know who Mythal is or even the temple of Mythal.

 

Yes, exactly. It seemed really, really strange for a Dalish to be depicted as so ignorant of basic elven "knowledge".

[Obb42]

This irked me as well. I was always confused in Origins as to how Mahariel didn't have a clue who Flemeth was, going by the Dalish in Stolen Throne and Merrill in DA2. It must be hard for the devs to cover all the bases on racial starting world knowledge (there must be a better way of phrasing that).

[LadyJaneGrey]

History knowledge perk gives you special dialogue with Flemeth, she knew who she was but what really bugged me with my elf was when they were in the Arbor Wilds and Morrigan tells her the temple of Mythal is there my elf automatically says "which is?" I mean wow your a Dalish elf, you should know who Mythal is or even the temple of Mythal.

 

I actually liked that "Morrigan lectures the Dalish on elven basics" scene.  It felt like my Lavellan was trolling Morrigan.  XD

 

Back to the OP's note: Since Abelas and Solas do not see the Dragon Age's (the century) elves as their people, I hope that we see more ancient elves in future installments as Solas told Abelas that there still may be others of his kind.  Solas, you TEASE.

[nightscrawl]

Well, the dialogue where Lavellan asks Morrigan who Mythal is (which makes no sense for a Dalish protagonist) could suggest that the developers dropped the ball in other areas of this quest.

 

Except you don't have to ask that question. Just because it's there doesn't mean your Inquisitor would ask it.

Although to be fair they could have at least phrased it differently as the questions are also there for the player's benefit.

 

Yes, it must be remembered that they do want new players to the franchise, so not everyone is expected to know the various lore. Having the option there is perfectly acceptable. However, I do agree that the question might have been worded in a different way for a Dalish Inquisitor.

 

On my successive plays of DAO I've avoided certain dialog options on my mage relating to questions about magic ("What's a phylactery?"), templars and the like that my character should know the answer to; and now that I've played the game numerous times I know them as well, so I can avoid those questions for roleplay reasons.

[TK514]

Because the game was written for a human protagonist and the other races were shoehorned in late in development.  I suspect they hoped to add more race specific reactivity, but ultimately didn't have enough time.

[TheJediSaint]

Because the game was written for a human protagonist and the other races were shoehorned in late in development.  I suspect they hoped to add more race specific reactivity, but ultimately didn't have enough time.

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