Based on the exiled Wardens epilogue, is it possible the Order will (already) be (going) extinct in DA 4?
If the Wardens are not exiled, there's a sedition within the Order, with the GWs rebelling against Weisshaupt.
What could have Weisshaupt done that lead to such revolt? Does it have anything to do with the Hero of Ferelden seeking a cure for the taint? Could the First Warden have issued a directive that contradicted the principles of the Order?
What are your thoughts on this?
Guest_TheDarkKnightReturns_*
I think you meant schism. Far as I know sediction isn't a word.
I doubt it , the extinction of the Wardens is impossible
I think you meant schism. Far as I know sediction isn't a word.
Thanks. Corrected the post. 
Lets see what would the schism be about?
All of these would be pretty good cause for a schism in the order. The Grey Wardens have been interfering in politics and how Thedas is ruled for far to long, much like the Chantry and pride does goeth before a fall. Given Solas reaction to what the Wardens do to fight the Blight it may be that they have been fighting the Blights wrong all along and there was another way to stop the Blights at one point that was not as damaging to the land, or the people of Thedas. This is especially the case if the Taint existed before the Magisters entered the Black City as indicated both by Solas and what he says about the Wardens in party banter and the Primeval Thaig, and Dwarven legends about the Blight that say the Darkspawn have always existed.
Hm, as soon as the next blight starts, there will be need for the Wardens, so I doubt it's the end of them.
Does it have anything to do with the Hero of Ferelden seeking a cure for the taint?
Guest_TheDarkKnightReturns_*
The Ferelden Wardens are still MIA and the Hero of Ferelden is getting his Marco Polo on. Blackwall has everything to be the Warden-Commander of Orlais if you do his "Memories of the Grey" quest. And the Anderfels Wardens has Bethany/Carver Hawke, an influx of mage/templar recruits, and griffons.
I think the Order will be just fine.
Obligatory reminder that the Hero of Ferelden is not alive in many people's old games, nor in the default world state that most new players are using now. Due to their state of not even existing in half of people's playthroughs, the Warden's actions can't really have any major impact on the world anymore.
Still, imagine if the Warden really did find a cure for the calling in future games. I can only imagine the reaction of people who did the US and not only find out that the DR didn't backfire but that a living Warden cured the Calling.
Still, imagine if the Warden really did find a cure for the calling in future games. I can only imagine the reaction of people who did the US and not only find out that the DR didn't backfire but that a living Warden cured the Calling.
I know some people who would still do the US.
Guest_TheDarkKnightReturns_*
Obligatory reminder that the Hero of Ferelden is not alive in many people's old games, nor in the default world state that most new players are using now. Due to their state of not even existing in half of people's playthroughs, the Warden's actions can't really have any major impact on the world anymore.
No.
The Ferelden Wardens are still MIA and the Hero of Ferelden is getting his Marco Polo on. Blackwall has everything to be the Warden-Commander of Orlais if you do his "Memories of the Grey" quest. And the Anderfels Wardens has Bethany/Carver Hawke, an influx of mage/templar recruits, and griffons.
I think the Order will be just fine.
Other than the whole
I have a feeling this will be the crisis that brings the focus toward northern Thedas.
Guest_TheDarkKnightReturns_*
Other than the whole
Spoileryeah
I think that's the whole point of his quest. You pretended to be a Warden this whole time? Well, ****. Go be one then.
I think that's the whole point of his quest. You pretended to be a Warden this whole time? Well, ****. Go be one then.
Yes but this in no way qualifies him to be the leader of the Wardens --- if one is looking to reform the Wardens in any way that requires a level of honor and integrity that you find out Blackwall does not really possess.. He did after all murder women and children to get the families money-- and then he waited until the very last of the soldiers under his command as Chevalier Thom Rainier was about to be executed before admitting to his crimes and probably only then because the guy would have seen him acting on behalf of the Inquisition and outed him.. .. I would not put him in charge of one of the Inquisitors nuggalope's forget about an entire organization in major need of reform.
Guest_TheDarkKnightReturns_*
Yes but this in no way qualifies him to be the leader of the Wardens --- if one is looking to reform the Wardens in any way that requires a level of honor and integrity that you find out Blackwall does not really possess.. He did after all murder women and children to get the families money-- and then he waited until the very last of the soldiers under his command as Chevalier Thom Rainier was about to be executed before admitting to his crimes and probably only then because the guy would have seen him acting on behalf of the Inquisition and outed him.. .. I would not put him in charge of one of the Inquisitors nuggalope's forget about an entire organization in major need of reform.
Clarel and all ranking Wardens are dead. A Senior Warden is left as acting Commanding Officier which if you know Warden hierarchy you'd know that it's a respected rank, but not that high. And certainly not privvy to all the secrets the entail the Order.
And along comes Thom Rainer who was recruited by a Warden-Constable has a vial of Archdemon blood, a Joining Chalice, Grey Warden journals/treaties/deep road maps, Grey Warden songs and banners.
The highest ranked guy which is only two ranks above Warden-Ensign (which is basically what the HoF and Alistair were at Ostagar) is gone. And you're a recruit with all these things and experience....
Yeah.
Obligatory reminder that the Hero of Ferelden is not alive in many people's old games, nor in the default world state that most new players are using now. Due to their state of not even existing in half of people's playthroughs, the Warden's actions can't really have any major impact on the world anymore.
Yes it can. The warden would merely be replaced by the Orlesian warden that could be the leader in Awakening, much as Stroud can be replaced with another character. Also we see other characters going to Weisshaut in this game. There's big doings in Weisshaupt and I think anyone who is still alive will be there in the next game.
Trouble there has been hinted at since Origins
Clarel and all ranking Wardens are dead. A Senior Warden is left as acting Commanding Officier which if you know Warden hierarchy you'd know that it's a respected rank, but not that high. And certainly not privvy to all the secrets the entail the Order.
And along comes Thom Rainer who was recruited by a Warden-Constable has a vial of Archdemon blood, a Joining Chalice, Grey Warden journals/treaties/deep road maps, Grey Warden songs and banners.
The highest ranked guy which is only two ranks above Warden-Ensign (which is basically what the HoF and Alistair were at Ostagar) is gone. And you're a recruit with all these things and experience....
Yeah.
Also add that said Senior Warden can also be dead, leaving the Wardens effectively leaderless.
No.
Spoiler
You... do realize this also means they don't care what you think either, right? And if they want to call the Warden's story closed (which they already have) and not make them relevant again, they will also do that based on what they want, and not on what some ~buttt hurt~ fans want, right? If you want to play hashtag truthisms, #truthhurts both ways.
Yeah, but that beard tho.Yes but this in no way qualifies him to be the leader of the Wardens --- if one is looking to reform the Wardens in any way that requires a level of honor and integrity that you find out Blackwall does not really possess.. He did after all murder women and children to get the families money-- and then he waited until the very last of the soldiers under his command as Chevalier Thom Rainier was about to be executed before admitting to his crimes and probably only then because the guy would have seen him acting on behalf of the Inquisition and outed him.. .. I would not put him in charge of one of the Inquisitors nuggalope's forget about an entire organization in major need of reform.
Guest_TheDarkKnightReturns_*
You... do realize this also means they don't care what you think either, right? And if they want to call the Warden's story closed (which they already have) and not make them relevant again, they will also do that based on what they want, and not on what some ~buttt hurt~ fans want, right? If you want to play hashtag truthisms, #truthhurts both ways.
It wasn't a hashtag. I don't tweet. And yes when I posted that I did so knowing that it included me, not that I'm butthurt.
But because you specifically want the HoF or OWC to be irrelevant doesn't mean that's what's going to happen and it's pretty damn presumptuous of you to impose that line of thinking on an entire fanbase.
I know some people who would still do the US.
I would. *shrug* The dark ritual backfiring or not, someone else's living Warden finding a cure for the taint or not, none of that has any bearing to my Warden's decision to make the sacrifice. None of that makes any difference to my game - my reaction would be a ressounding, meh.
Oh it will be like the seekers,
It wasn't a hashtag. I don't tweet. And yes when I posted that I did so knowing that it included me, not that I'm butthurt.
But because you specifically want the HoF or OWC to be irrelevant doesn't mean that's what's going to happen and it's pretty damn presumptuous of you to impose that line of thinking on an entire fanbase.
You seriously need to take a chill pill, buddy. And maybe learn to manage your expectations, because if that's how you react every time someone even suggests that the HoF is not the main character of this universe, you're building yourself to disappointment.
In any case, my reply was to a specific quote of LoK's post, and I'm not gonna sit here arguing with you who BioWare wants to please or not, as 1) I don't care, and 2) that's not even the point of this thread. Have a nice day.
Forget the Hero of Ferelden, discussed in all possible topics about this and the conclusion was already established, bioware does not care about your choices. He is dead and that's it , I bet we'll never hear about it. We cry together
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