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[Reznore57]

I think for the Bull , it's best to save the Chargers.

He's afraid of turning Tal Vashoth , because he thinks he will turn into a savage (something probably linked to his fear of madness , and losing control with demons ).

It's an irrational fear because he's been living like a Tal Vashoth for years and only paid lip service to the Qun.

We know being a Ben Hassrath in Seheron broke him , and the Qunari didn't know what the hell to do with him and send him away.

I'm not sure what happens to the Bull if you side with the Qunari , but imho his future isn't bright.

He made his loyalty clear but he's still a broken tool at the end of the day , and now he's away from home and lost his new family (the Chargers)

 

Now if you take Bull out of the picture , the best is to ally with the Qunari.

The Qunari ask for help because the Venatori are trying to import Red Lyrium in Tevinter.It's something catastrophic , and the Qunari are right to stop that ASAP.

Red Lyrium growth is a big concern in southern Thedas ,the stuff has the blight , it grows , drive people crazy and for now no one really knows how to get rid of it safely.

From a roleplay point of view , the Inquisitor shouldn't even think a second about saving the Chargers .

You're basically saving 10/ 20 people and as a result probably thousand of people are going to die in the future.

Also you can make super soldier with that lyrium (red templars) so yeah....

And to be honest , the Bull Chargers could have die numerous time doing some stupid mission for orlesians nobles , there's worst thing than dying trying to save the world.

[tmp7704]

I can understand the Qunari being touchy about an alliance. They make a big deal of saying how unprecedented it was. In my case, my Inquisitor is a mage and allied with the rebel mages- not going to win many points in Qunandar. Plus I figure this mission is more of a test than anything. If you're too soft to give up a few men to accomplish a simple mission, you're not trustworthy as an ally.

I was being flippant there but, slightly more seriously the mission already is a success -- the smuggler ship is sank, the lyrium ain't getting to Tevinter. The qunari just get sore about them being the ones who pay for it with their manpower at the end, instead of you footing that bill. When it's certainly not something that should be a given, as it was them who asked for the alliance in the first place.

[TheKomandorShepard]

I think for the Bull , it's best to save the Chargers.

He's afraid of turning Tal Vashoth , because he thinks he will turn into a savage (something probably linked to his fear of madness , and losing control with demons ).

It's an irrational fear because he's been living like a Tal Vashoth for years and only paid lip service to the Qun.

We know being a Ben Hassrath in Seheron broke him , and the Qunari didn't know what the hell to do with him and send him away.

I'm not sure what happens to the Bull if you side with the Qunari , but imho his future isn't bright.

He made his loyalty clear but he's still a broken tool at the end of the day , and now he's away from home and lost his new family (the Chargers)

 

Now if you take Bull out of the picture , the best is to ally with the Qunari.

The Qunari ask for help because the Venatori are trying to import Red Lyrium in Tevinter.It's something catastrophic , and the Qunari are right to stop that ASAP.

Red Lyrium growth is a big concern in southern Thedas ,the stuff has the blight , it grows , drive people crazy and for now no one really knows how to get rid of it safely.

From a roleplay point of view , the Inquisitor shouldn't even think a second about saving the Chargers .

You're basically saving 10/ 20 people and as a result probably thousand of people are going to die in the future.

Also you can make super soldier with that lyrium (red templars) so yeah....

And to be honest , the Bull Chargers could have die numerous time doing some stupid mission for orlesians nobles , there's worst thing than dying trying to save the world.

Eee do you know that decision isn't about preventing red lyrium to spread as it was already prevented only to secure alliance by saving dreadnought, alliance that pretty much is condemned to fail sooner or later as qunari don't accept peoples outside qun and at best you can be enemy that they respect.

[raging_monkey]

I tried the save the alliance deal and save the chargers... i like the chargers cause they sit well with me but i get the alliance... i gave support of the magi.. why give a leap of faith on the qun

[renfrees]

The Qunari are concerned with possibility of Tevinter infusing its legions with red lyrium. Legit concern, if you ask me, as it would tip the scales and where would Tevinter turn next? Ah right, southern Thedas was once part of the Imperium.

[Dabrikishaw]

I save the Chargers because the Masterwork Archon Staff isn't to my taste stat wise.

[raging_monkey]

I save the Chargers because the Masterwork Archon Staff isn't to my taste stat wise.

game bugged out on me and never got it whats the stats

[Gill Kaiser]

I think for the Bull , it's best to save the Chargers.
He's afraid of turning Tal Vashoth , because he thinks he will turn into a savage (something probably linked to his fear of madness , and losing control with demons ).
It's an irrational fear because he's been living like a Tal Vashoth for years and only paid lip service to the Qun.
We know being a Ben Hassrath in Seheron broke him , and the Qunari didn't know what the hell to do with him and send him away.
I'm not sure what happens to the Bull if you side with the Qunari , but imho his future isn't bright.
He made his loyalty clear but he's still a broken tool at the end of the day , and now he's away from home and lost his new family (the Chargers)

I agree with this. Also, if you save the Chargers, Solas warms up to Bull a lot, and they play chess in their heads!

[Dabrikishaw]

game bugged out on me and never got it whats the stats

Damage: 22 Metal

Utility: 6 Cloth

Offense: 8 Cloth

Utility: 6 Metal

 

86/115

[dragonflight288]

I made my choice based on what was best for the Inquisition at the time, so the Chargers had to go. They're soldiers, and soldiers live to be sacrificed. Maybe not mercenaries, but under me, all fighters are soldiers.

 

Only thing that makes me think about saving them is the idea of giving the Qun a foothold in our part of Thedas, even if it is to help us... that doesn't sit well with me. Not a fan of the Qun, even though I respect the Qunari's strength and resolve.

 

Kind of reminds me of the game Lost Odyssey. The main character is a mercenary and one of the stories of his past was he and a bunch of mercenaries were hired to hold off the enemy, but every one of them knew that they were meant to die while the countries forces retreated to a more defensible location, a way to buy time without sacrificing any men. 

 

Each and every mercenary, save one young man who joined up thinking glory and honor was no scared to death, waited to do the job they were hired to do. 

 

Nothing to do with Dragon Age, this talk just reminded me of that game. 

[raging_monkey]

Damage: 22 Metal
Utility: 6 Cloth
Offense: 8 Cloth
Utility: 6 Metal

86/115

not worth it i agree.. well that was one unenjoyable PT for nothing XD

[Nightdragon8]

truthfully I would have prefered a 3rd option, fire them as mercs, then its up to IB to save them or not.

 

If he doesn't save them, have him as a consultate and a leiason for the Qun.

 

If he does save them, rehire as a merc group.

[Korva]

Since I abjectly despise the qun, it wasn't hard to decide. I was iffy with recruiting one of their spies in the first place because of this, but during the quest I learned that Bull's been giving us a lot more info than he did them, and is already in trouble over it. So, save the group who has already proven itself to be competent and trustworthy soldiers as well as Bull's adopted family, or help the brainwashing totalitarian fanatics bent on world domination and allow them a foot on my doorstep and in my very own home? Yeah ... of all the (sometimes rather silly) either-or choices in the game, this was by far the easiest to make.

 

And yes, the other companions react more sympathetically this way -- it seems he really becomes "one of us" after this.

[AlexiaRevan]

well..I dont like the Qunari all brainwashing and what not..so it was easy to choose . I wish though Bull would stop badmouthing a Tal-Vashot....the joke was on him in the end 

[Kulyok]

I didn't care about the Chargers as much as Bull did. Krem was a nice character, like Scout Harding, but it wouldn't hit me like Loghain or Hawke.

 

Still, I keep saving the Chargers every game, because they are his friends. My inquisitor's friends certainly mattered more to me than some abstract alliances, so I took it was the same for Bull.

 

And, yes, I was pretty upset that someone else (glares) killed one of his oldest friends for power after the credits.

[QweenBeen]

So is it defaulted that Sten is arishok from keep? We only had the options to give him his sword and that he's alive and well. If he is Arishok, I'm less concerned about the quanari taking over thedas. He isn't going to allow an invansion into the rest of thedas even with the foothold in the Inquisiton

[Above Good and Evil]

So is it defaulted that Sten is arishok from keep? We only had the options to give him his sword and that he's alive and well. If he is Arishok, I'm less concerned about the quanari taking over thedas. He isn't going to allow an invansion into the rest of thedas even with the foothold in the Inquisiton

You sure about that? Just because he's more worldy than the last Arishok doesn't mean he's not a devout follower of the Qun. In the comics he calls Alistair Basalit-An but despite this title and fighting side-by-side with the man he still hits and imprisons him along with trying to kill him in a duel later on; he only cooperated when Alistair beat him and made the offer again.

Don't get me wrong, I agree that the Qunari won't invade, but its not because of Sten but because they'd lose too much and gain too little by doing so and not because Sten's a softy for kittens, flowers and cookies.

[LordSeeker]

These so called choices that Bioware gives you for every character does nothing except changing their tarot card image :| ..

[QweenBeen]

You sure about that? Just because he's more worldy than the last Arishok doesn't mean he's not a devout follower of the Qun. In the comics he calls Alistair Basalit-An but despite this title and fighting side-by-side with the man he still hits and imprisons him along with trying to kill him in a duel later on; he only cooperated when Alistair beat him and made the offer again.

Don't get me wrong, I agree that the Qunari won't invade, but its not because of Sten but because they'd lose too much and gain too little by doing so and not because Sten's a softy for kittens, flowers and cookies.

Point taken. Although having wandered around Fereldan, it could go both ways. He could see that people can live without the qun and be guided on their own, or that the world is so jacked up that the qun is necessary for some order.

Hate the qun myself but bull's point on how most people don't mull over the qun everyday is valid too. People need to bake bread no matter where they're from. We have the luxury of understanding the overarching implications of it, but most people, including those in Par Vollen, just live their lives day by day like anyone else.

[Addai]

I was being flippant there but, slightly more seriously the mission already is a success -- the smuggler ship is sank, the lyrium ain't getting to Tevinter. The qunari just get sore about them being the ones who pay for it with their manpower at the end, instead of you footing that bill. When it's certainly not something that should be a given, as it was them who asked for the alliance in the first place.

I didn't interpret it that way, rather that they had to keep heat off the dreadnought long enough for the Tevinter ship to sink. It couldn't handle both defending itself from the shore and carrying on the attack. All you see is one shot hit the ship, not it sinking, right?

 

Eee do you know that decision isn't about preventing red lyrium to spread as it was already prevented only to secure alliance by saving dreadnought, alliance that pretty much is condemned to fail sooner or later as qunari don't accept peoples outside qun and at best you can be enemy that they respect.

The alliance doesn't need to last forever, only until you defeat Corypheus.

[TheKomandorShepard]

The alliance doesn't need to last forever, only until you defeat Corypheus.

To what pretty much isn't necessary

[Precursor Meta]

That's why you have saves and auto saves.

[Ryzaki]

Eh side with the chargers.

 

The Qun are going to stop the Ventaori from getting red lyrium anyway because it'd tip the scales in their war. Plus the chargers had already done much for the people at Skyhold (like helping the survivors from Haven), while the Qunari...had done nothing much.

[Han Shot First]

I always choose the Alliance over the Chargers. The Chargers don't get special treatment just because they're Iron Bull's buddies. 

 

That was my outlook as well. Any other group of soldiers and they would have had to hold their ground. That's their job and they knew what the mission is beforehand. The Chargers shouldn't get a pass just because the Inquisitor shared a few drinks with them, or because Bull has an emotional attachment to them.

 

Also storywise (though not reflected in gameplay) the Qunari alliance is a lot more strategically important than the service of a single mercenary company.

 

The funny thing is that normally I would have been more inclined to have the Bull go Tal Vashoth, but the way that choice plays out had me make the Inquisitor go the opposite direction. He was a devout Andrastian with deep reservations about the Qun, but he wasn't about to betray strategically important allies for the sake of personal feelings. (his or Bull's)

[Mummy22kids]

I haven't read all the responses but, if you take Bull and Cole after Bull's quest, the game kind of indicates both are good and bad for Bull. He feels bad either way (though I would argue it seems it's harder for him to be Tal-Vashoth) but Cole says things to make it "better" as fits with his character. TBH, I've only let the Chargers live once, and that was when I was romancing Bull as a Qunari, because having the Qun as an ally is better for the inqusition- basing this opinion on the additional war table content.