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[tmp7704]

I didn't interpret it that way, rather that they had to keep heat off the dreadnought long enough for the Tevinter ship to sink. It couldn't handle both defending itself from the shore and carrying on the attack. All you see is one shot hit the ship, not it sinking, right?

I saw it pretty recently so still remember it fairly well I think... the ship is hit and pretty much immediately goes under (to Bull's cheer) and then when the Venatori show up and start heading towards the other hill there's pretty explicit talk the Chargers would have to stay there to give the dreadnaught time to pull out, not to keep shooting or anything. So it looked very much to me like its job was already done.

It's what partially affected my decision, have they said instead I'd need to buy more time to actually destroy the target, it might've gone differently.

[Thane4Ever]

I chose the Chargers because I didn't want the Inquisition to start getting a ruthless reputation and repeat the past.  I also knew my companions wouldn't approve (or at least the ones I cared about like Cass, Cole, Blackwall) and because I knew that IB felt like they were family.  He had made it pretty clear that he's never belonged anywhere until he formed that group. Honestly the only advantage of siding with the Qunari IMO is purely from a role playing perspective, nothing tangible.  I know there are war table quests.  

[errantknight]

I made my choice based on what was best for the Inquisition at the time, so the Chargers had to go. They're soldiers, and soldiers live to be sacrificed. Maybe not mercenaries, but under me, all fighters are soldiers.

 

Only thing that makes me think about saving them is the idea of giving the Qun a foothold in our part of Thedas, even if it is to help us... that doesn't sit well with me. Not a fan of the Qun, even though I respect the Qunari's strength and resolve.

While my inquisitor was tempted to get the alliance, he had Bull save them. He just couldn't get by the preceived risk of allying with the Qun. The fact that he liked them was a pleasant side effect.

[Colonelkillabee]

While my inquisitor was tempted to get the alliance, he had Bull save them. He just couldn't get by the preceived risk of allying with the Qun. The fact that he liked them was a pleasant side effect.

The Qun thing does bother me, but like Addai said, that alliance and any relations from then on is likely only temporary, including the little hub you gave them. When and if the Qunari decide to invade, it won't matter what little bit of land you did or didn't give them, they'll make a foothold regardless.

 

But I doubt that this will happen soon, relative to Inquisition's timeline. Varric said it himself, the Qun doesn't want another exalted march. And if you don't get their alliance, half of Denerim burns.

[errantknight]

My inquisitor's take was that *any* foothold was a potential disaster, although he may have been a tad paraniod.

[AntiChri5]

I think for the Bull , it's best to save the Chargers.

He's afraid of turning Tal Vashoth , because he thinks he will turn into a savage (something probably linked to his fear of madness , and losing control with demons ).

It's an irrational fear because he's been living like a Tal Vashoth for years and only paid lip service to the Qun.

We know being a Ben Hassrath in Seheron broke him , and the Qunari didn't know what the hell to do with him and send him away.

I'm not sure what happens to the Bull if you side with the Qunari , but imho his future isn't bright.

He made his loyalty clear but he's still a broken tool at the end of the day , and now he's away from home and lost his new family (the Chargers)

 

Now if you take Bull out of the picture , the best is to ally with the Qunari.

The Qunari ask for help because the Venatori are trying to import Red Lyrium in Tevinter.It's something catastrophic , and the Qunari are right to stop that ASAP.

Red Lyrium growth is a big concern in southern Thedas ,the stuff has the blight , it grows , drive people crazy and for now no one really knows how to get rid of it safely.

From a roleplay point of view , the Inquisitor shouldn't even think a second about saving the Chargers .

You're basically saving 10/ 20 people and as a result probably thousand of people are going to die in the future.

Also you can make super soldier with that lyrium (red templars) so yeah....

And to be honest , the Bull Chargers could have die numerous time doing some stupid mission for orlesians nobles , there's worst thing than dying trying to save the world.

Except how much of an alliance is it really? Bull tells you that the qunari have never allied with another force, and with good reason.

 

What happens when you show up? The qunari agents tell you what the plan is, refuse to let you actively take part in preparation/planning, handwave the concerns of the Inquisitor and Bull about how risky the plan is and then, when those risky parts of the plan bite you in the ass, insist that you be the one to take losses, not them.

 

That isn't an alliance. The qunari simply cannot play with others.

 

The Chargers may be mercenaries, but they have served the Inquisition very well and, most importantly, did so long before the Inquisition was a global superpower. The qunari offer an "alliance" of convenience (with plenty of strings attached) which will alienate other potential allies. The Chargers are a known quantity that offers every and anything it has while asking only for pay and booze.

[avatoc]

I don't trust the qun or their drone for a split second and I never felt like I remotely needed the alliance 

[Kulyok]

I haven't read all the responses but, if you take Bull and Cole after Bull's quest, the game kind of indicates both are good and bad for Bull. He feels bad either way (though I would argue it seems it's harder for him to be Tal-Vashoth) but Cole says things to make it "better" as fits with his character. TBH, I've only let the Chargers live once, and that was when I was romancing Bull as a Qunari, because having the Qun as an ally is better for the inqusition- basing this opinion on the additional war table content.

 

I think Cole says "Guilt at not feeling guiltier" when Bull is a Tal-Vashoth, which is probably not that bad, well, in my opinion. Anyway, just wanted to mention the extra war table content(btw, thanks, I didn't know that!) - unless you do that mission fairly late in the game, you lose war table content provided by the Chargers after each major mission.

[schall_und_rauch]

There's not always a right or wrong. This was one of those few decisions where DA:I forces us to take a moral decision. The fact that it still haunts some people and makes them question their own decision means the writer's did a good job.

I chose death for the chargers, felt that it was best for Bull and the Inquisition and felt that it was a hard decision. Wish I'd see that more often in DA:I.

[Former_Fiend]

Way I see it, I trust the qunari far more than I trust the orlesians and I don't have a choice about allying with Orlais. 

 

Qunari are at least a known quantity in terms of what they want. Never know which of the Orlesians is waiting to stab you in the back to better their position, and which of them is stupid enough to think that's a good idea.

[Colonelkillabee]

My inquisitor's take was that *any* foothold was a potential disaster, although he may have been a tad paraniod.

I think so If the Qunari wish to invade, they're not going to be hindered by lacking a little bit of land, they'll make room, and there won't be a great deal you can do about it. A power like theirs when they first invade will make a foothold just by the brunt of their numbers alone.

[Bigdoser]

Except how much of an alliance is it really? Bull tells you that the qunari have never allied with another force, and with good reason.

 

What happens when you show up? The qunari agents tell you what the plan is, refuse to let you actively take part in preparation/planning, handwave the concerns of the Inquisitor and Bull about how risky the plan is and then, when those risky parts of the plan bite you in the ass, insist that you be the one to take losses, not them.

 

That isn't an alliance. The qunari simply cannot play with others.

 

The Chargers may be mercenaries, but they have served the Inquisition very well and, most importantly, did so long before the Inquisition was a global superpower. The qunari offer an "alliance" of convenience (with plenty of strings attached) which will alienate other potential allies. The Chargers are a known quantity that offers every and anything it has while asking only for pay and booze.

This is how I saw it as well. 

[Former_Fiend]

Except how much of an alliance is it really? Bull tells you that the qunari have never allied with another force, and with good reason.

 

What happens when you show up? The qunari agents tell you what the plan is, refuse to let you actively take part in preparation/planning, handwave the concerns of the Inquisitor and Bull about how risky the plan is and then, when those risky parts of the plan bite you in the ass, insist that you be the one to take losses, not them.

 

That isn't an alliance. The qunari simply cannot play with others.

 

The Chargers may be mercenaries, but they have served the Inquisition very well and, most importantly, did so long before the Inquisition was a global superpower. The qunari offer an "alliance" of convenience (with plenty of strings attached) which will alienate other potential allies. The Chargers are a known quantity that offers every and anything it has while asking only for pay and booze.

 

Bull also stresses that the Qunari wouldn't use the word "alliance" if they didn't mean it. And once this first mission is taken care of, your agents and the qunari play very well together on the war table.

[garrusfan1]

bull doesn't have a good outcome either way but I think he is better with the chargers living. He basically joins the inquisition and it becomes his purpose. also he hated the tal vosoth that attack people. Not the kind the inquisitor is

[AntiChri5]

 

Bull also stresses that the Qunari wouldn't use the word "alliance" if they didn't mean it. And once this first mission is taken care of, your agents and the qunari play very well together on the war table.

It's more like they want to mean it. The qun is still fundamentally incapable of accepting others. It exists to convert or kill all that is not the qun. I don't want to be a rabid anti-qunari, but that's the way they are. That's why they have never had an alliance before. The kind of relationship they offer may be an alliance to them, but as someone in an organisation working with other nations and groups regularly it doesn't look like one to my inquisitor.

[Fredward]

Didn't regret my choice in saving the Chargers for a second. Though I wish that whole thing was a bit more fleshed out. Is it more fleshed out if you romance him? Anyway the Chargers had helped me numerous times already whereas the Qunari were promising... stuff.

[Dominari]

Way I see it, I trust the qunari far more than I trust the orlesians and I don't have a choice about allying with Orlais.

See, I am the exact opposite.  I do not trust the Qun at all.  Thier alliance is just a con to get the Inquisition to do their dirty work.  Orlais, on the otherhand, owes the Inquisition thier very existence by that point in the story..  I see the Orleasins as being under the Inquisitor's command while the Qun alliance is just an attempt to errode our will.  I'm a contol freak in real life, too.  I know when I am getting played.

[Caramacchiato]

I saved the Chargers. A Qunari Warship isn't going to be particularly helpful in a forest, miles away from the nearest ocean.

[Former_Fiend]

See, I am the exact opposite.  I do not trust the Qun at all.  Thier alliance is just a con to get the Inquisition to do their dirty work.  Orlais, on the otherhand, owes the Inquisition thier very existence by that point in the story..  I see the Orleasins as being under the Inquisitor's command while the Qun alliance is just an attempt to errode our will.  I'm a contol freak in real life, too.  I know when I am getting played.

 

See, I am the exact opposite.  I do not trust the Qun at all.  Thier alliance is just a con to get the Inquisition to do their dirty work.  Orlais, on the otherhand, owes the Inquisition thier very existence by that point in the story..  I see the Orleasins as being under the Inquisitor's command while the Qun alliance is just an attempt to errode our will.  I'm a contol freak in real life, too.  I know when I am getting played.

 

Even if you're right, which you may or may not be, one must keep one's friends close and potential enemies closer. I'd rather keep the qunari where I can watch them, so should they invade, I'll have a better chance of knowing about it before I hear the sound of dreadnouts bombarding the nearest coastal settlement.

[TeraBat]

I don't know how many people here have had the experience of losing their childhood faith, especially when that faith had a lot of rules. But it's something I've gone through, and I recognized that Iron Bull was experiencing the same thing, even if he didn't realize it. The way he answers questions about the Qun - he's deflecting a lot of uncomfortable truths because he can't fully embrace the Qun as a way of life, but he's not ready to let it go and live without it's guidance. He doesn't love the Qun, not the way he loves his Chargers. So that was a very easy decision for me. 

 

And I totally get why Bull's card is the way it is. Leaving your childhood faith is traumatic and difficult... and I was in a faith which at least let me have a name! He's going to have a rough few years, but he'll come through it a better and stronger person (especially if he has loved ones to lean on). 

[Milan92]

I can't help but think that if the Inquisition keeps the Alliance, then Sten would be able to bridge the gap between the Qun and the Thedas Chantry.

And prevent a war from ever taking place.

 

I keep forgetting that our Sten is the current Arishok.

[Former_Fiend]

I will say that I'm not sure, or even entirely hopeful that an alliance between Ben-hassrath and Inquisition will prevent or mitigate the war that so many fans think is inevitable. What I am sure of is that rejecting that alliance will guarantee that war.

 

Even if it's futile, and even if it could possibly make things worse, I'd like to make the effort in peacefully preventing the invasion before it happens. 

 

Besides, five royals says either Bull or Tallis will end up as Ariqun in two games' time. Having two out of three of the qunari's leadership with friends outside the qun isn't nothing, and I'm damn sure that it won't be the Arigena that's pushing for war.

[Bugsie]

I've been thinking about this a bit, because as I saw it I expected siding with the qunari to have a bigger payoff than what we saw in the game, by pay off I mean an effect on the final outcome of Dragon Age Inquisition, not Dragon Age 4.  Disappointed that there is (as it currently stands) appears to be absolutely no consequences to the choice (aside from the personal consequence to Bull), because don't both sides get war table missions?  

[draken-heart]

I thought about just doing nothing about the quest. I know that would be boring, and no quest. But honestly, there is an option that proves the point. the player/inquisitor does not know if the Qunari are TRULY sincere/legitimate about it, meaning there is no real reason to simply trust the message.

[Dominari]

Oh sure.  In hindsight I can just not do the mission.