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[Linkenski]

The, or at least, one of the central themes in the story this time.

 

Personally I liked it for its allegoric aspects. I think it draws some thought-provoking parallels to real world history and how the world's perception of god evolved or changed as new discoveries were made. In Inquisition's case I feel like the story was building towards the paradigm shift not too far from our own of realizing that Earth was part of a heliocentric solar system.

 

Part of me was afraid when I started the game that it would be too american in the typical in-your-face religious talk kind of way. No offence but as a european I've often rolled my eyes at how all US media is way too much about God this, God that and Jesus this, Jesus that. It's just highfalutin platitudes to me, and I'm not even atheist. I can't really decide if DA:I overdid this or not though. I think sometimes it did have a bit of an american-centric viewpoint on how the various characters perceived god, but again, I think it makes sense because this is like mediveal times of the Dragon Age universe.

 

I think though that Corypheus, once again, was wasted in the sense that he was searching godhood and babbled about the throne of god being empty but it wasn't ever examined in depth what his viewpoint was, at least not explicitly through the various cutscenes in the main campagin, and I'm too lazy to read all notes.

[rda]

You thought the religion in DA is too in your face? I've often thought it was the most realistic aspect of the series. In the Middle Ages in Europe, religion permeated every aspect of life. It's very true to the medieval type setting.

[Master Race]

 

Part of me was afraid when I started the game that it would be too american in the typical in-your-face religious talk kind of way. No offence but as a european I've often rolled my eyes at how all US media is way too much about God this, God that and Jesus this, Jesus that. It's just highfalutin platitudes to me, and I'm not even atheist. I can't really decide if DA:I overdid this or not though. I think sometimes it did have a bit of an american-centric viewpoint on how the various characters perceived god, but again, I think it makes sense because this is like mediveal times of the Dragon Age universe.

 

Yeah it's not American in any way. Faith/religion and the way it is handled is definitively based off religious Europe hundreds of years ago.

[RepHope]

Besides Bioware is CANADIAN.

What were you expecting honestly? Faith plays a big part in the world of Thedas, just like it did and does in our world. You're not going to get a secularized debate on God/gods in a medieval setting. All things being equal, I thought it did a fine job of showing how faith played a role in people's lives, and letting you define how it affected your character's.

[X Equestris]

I think it did a superb job of handling faith and religious characters with respect. I can't think of a lot of games that do that. The role religion plays in Thedas makes perfect sense for the sort of setting it is. It's also nice that Bioware managed to do this without making one system of belief better than the others.

[CuriousArtemis]

BioWare is a Canadian company staffed mostly by Canadians, including the writers...

And no I did not think the topic of faith was handled very well since the game mostly ignored the faith of my character, a Dalish elf.

[TheJediSaint]

BioWare is a Canadian company staffed mostly by Canadians, including the writers...

And no I did not think the topic of faith was handled very well since the game mostly ignored the faith of my character, a Dalish elf.

Except for the part were they meet at least two elven gods, you mean.

[LadyJaneGrey]

The writers did a remarkably delicate job presenting different view points from the NPCs on different religious/philosophical beliefs while letting your character's own beliefs evolve (or not) throughout the story.  As to the elven gods being ignored...what?  They're pretty front and center.

 

The only aspects I found missing were an option to use more Chantry-based judgments in the court scenes (because political figures will use religion as a tool regardless of personal devotion) and any sense of how the ordinary, run-of-the-mill clergy felt about The Game.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

and any sense of how the ordinary, run-of-the-mill clergy felt about The Game.

 

The chantry sisters that hang around Haven and Skyhold talk about the chantry, the inquisition, and whats going to happen to both quite a bit.
 

[LadyJaneGrey]

The chantry sisters that hang around Haven and Skyhold talk about the chantry, the inquisition, and whats going to happen to both quite a bit.
 

 

Yes, and I stopped to listen every time they had something new to say, but I never heard them talk about court politics.  Did I miss something?

[Kinsz]

BioWare is a Canadian company staffed mostly by Canadians, including the writers...

And no I did not think the topic of faith was handled very well since the game mostly ignored the faith of my character, a Dalish elf.

You do know that Canada is a North American country right ? anyhoo they've touched a lot of Elven stuff in this game so i doubt anyone could say the Dalish were left out.

[CuriousArtemis]

Except for the part were they meet at least two elven gods, you mean.

 

I mean in conversation Most of the dialogue options pretended I either was Andrastian or atheist. And by the way, let's not forget that the game actually had my Dalish elf ask who one of those elven gods was... as if he didn't already know.

[CuriousArtemis]

You do know that Canada is a North American country right ? 

 

OP specifically mentioned "US," not North America. You do know that "US" stands for The United States of America, which is a country, whereas North America is continent (also includes Mexico)... right?

[TK514]

I thought it was terribly done and quickly discarded.

[rpgfan321]

I like the presence of religion more this time around, and how there were enough mood being created for the players to question or affect how we think about our PCs. 

 

Also like the fact the game made sure there was no one, true answer when it came down to it. They kept it open and ambiguous enough, but not too murky. 

[TheJediSaint]

I mean in conversation Most of the dialogue options pretended I either was Andrastian or atheist. And by the way, let's not forget that the game actually had my Dalish elf ask who one of those elven gods was... as if he didn't already know.

I think that was more for the benefit of the player than the player character.  Bioware never assumes everyone playing their games is familiar with the lore.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

I thought it was terribly done and quickly discarded.

 

Quickly discard? Faith and religion is discussed through out the whole game.

[CuriousArtemis]

I think that was more for the benefit of the player than the player character.  Bioware never assumes everyone playing their games is familiar with the lore.

 

Possibly; at least I think the option should've been worded better so I'd know not to pick it for my character ^^ 

[Kinsz]

OP specifically mentioned "US," not North America. You do know that "US" stands for The United States of America, which is a country, whereas North America is continent (also includes Mexico)... right?

" I can't really decide if DA:I overdid this or not though. I think sometimes it did have a bit of an american-centric viewpoint on how the various characters perceived god " (quoted directly from the OP) which includes Canada.

Anyways thats not important, whats important is that you were wrong about the Dalish being left out.

[TK514]

Quickly discard? Faith and religion is discussed through out the whole game.

 

 

Not really.  Faith is discussed right up to the Fade, and has very little, and completely unsatisfactory, follow up after that.  The Elven Faith is barely touched on at all, in favor of them discussing elven history which, while they may have similar subjects on the surface, are two very different things.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

Personally, I loved DAI examination of faith, but a lot of that had to do with Cassandra specifically. It's probably the only time I've ever felt like my spiritual identity was represented in any sort of media. Hearing Cassandra talk about the Chantry and Andrastianism was almost like hearing my own words repeated back to me.

[Kinsz]

Personally, I loved DAI examination of faith, but a lot of that had to do with Cassandra specifically. It's probably the only time I've ever felt like my spiritual identity was represented in any sort of media. Hearing Cassandra talk about the Chantry and Andrastianism was almost like hearing my own words repeated back to me.

I felt the same , though my faith isn't as strong as Cassandra's i definitely see similarities .

 

Great name btw .

[CuriousArtemis]

" I can't really decide if DA:I overdid this or not though. I think sometimes it did have a bit of an american-centric viewpoint on how the various characters perceived god " (quoted directly from the OP) which includes Canada.

 

I'm honestly not sure if you're a troll or just stupid. No Canadian considers themself American. That's akin to a Scotsman agreeing to be English.

[LadyJaneGrey]

Not really.  Faith is discussed right up to the Fade, and has very little, and completely unsatisfactory, follow up after that.  The Elven Faith is barely touched on at all, in favor of them discussing elven history which, while they may have similar subjects on the surface, are two very different things.

My Dalish had opportunities to talk about what gods her clan prayed to for specific occasions when you investigate Mythal's temple. That seemed more faith than history focused.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

Not really.  Faith is discussed right up to the Fade, and has very little, and completely unsatisfactory, follow up after that.  The Elven Faith is barely touched on at all, in favor of them discussing elven history which, while they may have similar subjects on the surface, are two very different things.

 

To me, examining history and region go hand in hand. Theres no way to examen ancient elven religion without it being a history lesson since religion was so intertwine with the structure of their civilization. Which is true to life for a lot of ancient civilizations.