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[General TSAR]

I think BioWare handled it with surprising maturity.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

My Dalish had opportunities to talk about what gods her clan prayed to for specific occasions when you investigate Mythal's temple. That seemed more faith than history focused.

 

Thats good to know since I'm currently playing a Dalish but I got a long way to go before I reach the temple.

[Kinsz]

I'm honestly not sure if you're a troll or just stupid. No Canadian considers themself American. That's akin to a Scotsman agreeing to be English.

If anyone is an idiot here it is you , next youll tell me that French dont consider themselves European and no canadians being American is not at all akin to a Scotsman saying they are English, thats a very stupid comparison to be frank.

[X Equestris]

If anyone is an idiot here it is you , next youll tell me that French dont consider themselves European and no canadians being American is not at all akin to a Scotsman saying they are English, thats a very stupid comparison to be frank.

When people use the adjective "American", they are typically referring to something to do with the United States, not something to do with North America.

[Kinsz]

When people use the adjective "American", they are typically referring to something to do with the United States, not something to do with North America.

Doesnt make it correct, anyways lets turn our focus back to OP shall we

[Al Foley]

I think BioWare handled it with surprising maturity.

Its like I come in here to post these very words and they are already stolen.  

 

But I really agree.  I think BioWare handles most everything they do (except perhaps the romances...historically) with surprising maturity.  Everything feels natural, nothing is forced down my throat and this was one of the most blunt and realistic examanations of faith I have ever seen.  FOr the most part anyways.  Everything from doubt, to stubbourness, to Mother Giselle practically being a wisdom bomb and everything coming out of her mouth was deeply, deeply profound.  To even the struggle of the big bad on the subject, one of the reasons I wish he had gotten more screen time. 

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

I feel bad for poor Cory, he just wanted to be god so there would actually be a god. Whys everyone hating on............oh right, demons are eating people because of him. Nevermind. lol

 

But yes, I do like how Cory was handle. He has so great lines in the game.

[Al Foley]

I feel bad for poor Cory, he just wanted to be god so there would actually be a god. Whys everyone hating on............oh right, demons are eating people because of him. Nevermind. lol

 

But yes, I do like how Cory was handle. He has so great lines in the game.

I wanted to see more of him.  INYSB it was like HOLY CRAP WHAT AN AWESOME BAD GUY...and then we hardly see him again it seems.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

Doesnt make it correct, anyways lets turn our focus back to OP shall we

It is correct. What other adjective would you use to refer to someone from the US. United States-ian? US-ian? American refers to something from the US and North American refers to something from North America.

[Mr.House]

I was very surprised by how much of a good job Bioware did in this area. I was very scared they would **** it up after DA2.

[Kinsz]

It is correct. What other adjective would you use to refer to someone from the US. United States-ian? US-ian? American refers to something from the US and North American refers to something from North America.

Eh we are back to this ? anyways where did i say that referring to citizens of the US as American was incorrect ? my " its not correct " was aimed at the claim that Canadians arent/shouldnt be referred to as such.

 

" American" can be anyone from West/South or North of American not just the US if you want to get technical, as i said im done with this topic, shift your attention to the OP, tx.

[Willowhugger]

I thought it was awesome.

But I admit, I would have wanted to go even further.

"The Gospels according to Varric."

 

Or would that be the Song of Heralds?

[LD Little Dragon]

Eh we are back to this ? anyways where did i say that referring to citizens of the US as American was incorrect ? my " its not correct " was aimed at the claim that Canadians arent/shouldnt be referred to as such.

 

" American" can be anyone from West/South or North of American not just the US if you want to get technical, as i said im done with this topic, shift your attention to the OP, tx.

It is incorrect.  North American is not American.

 

Telling a Canadian or Mexican that they are an American is often viewed as an insult.

 

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To the topic on hand:

 

DA has had faith as a major theme right from Origins.  It's part of the setting and lore.  I think they do a decent presentation of religion/beliefs and how faith can inspire both good and bad deeds in people.

[OHB MajorV]

The, or at least, one of the central themes in the story this time.

Personally I liked it for its allegoric aspects. I think it draws some thought-provoking parallels to real world history and how the world's perception of god evolved or changed as new discoveries were made. In Inquisition's case I feel like the story was building towards the paradigm shift not too far from our own of realizing that Earth was part of a heliocentric solar system.

Part of me was afraid when I started the game that it would be too american in the typical in-your-face religious talk kind of way. No offence but as a european I've often rolled my eyes at how all US media is way too much about God this, God that and Jesus this, Jesus that. It's just highfalutin platitudes to me, and I'm not even atheist. I can't really decide if DA:I overdid this or not though. I think sometimes it did have a bit of an american-centric viewpoint on how the various characters perceived god, but again, I think it makes sense because this is like mediveal times of the Dragon Age universe.

I think though that Corypheus, once again, was wasted in the sense that he was searching godhood and babbled about the throne of god being empty but it wasn't ever examined in depth what his viewpoint was, at least not explicitly through the various cutscenes in the main campagin, and I'm too lazy to read all notes.

I think it runs very much parallel to real life views on the subject, people are passionate at about it so it's in your face, but there's those who ride the fence of belief so they usually don't bring a lot to the table in terms of discussion, and those who firmly believe it doesn't exist and are willing to elaborate on it. you can choose to be any and the rest of the world falls into one of these 3 categories.

The thing that keeps it consistent with our real world views is the fact that Bioware chooses not to disclose if a god or even gods did it do exist. I personally like that decision, some questions just can't be answered......or can they?

[Willowhugger]

My Herald of Andraste firmly believes he's the Chosen of the Maker.

 

Even though it's very-very questionable.

 

And I liked how Corypheus reacted to my claims with stunned disbelief.

 

Like, "Okay, I'm dealing with a crazy person."

[Bann Duncan]

My Dalish had opportunities to talk about what gods her clan prayed to for specific occasions when you investigate Mythal's temple. That seemed more faith than history focused.

 

Not to mention the "Where were you all these years when we needed you?" option that a Dalish Inquisitor can take with a certain character.

[AtreiyaN7]

I thought it was largely interesting and that there was a fairly even-handed approach in the game. And as someone from the US, I don't think the news media blather about religion all the time - unless you're insane and decide to leave Fox News on nonstop.

[ComedicSociopathy]

This game was the anti-Bioshock Infinite when it came to portraying religion. 

[Celtic Latino]

I actually found it quite interesting as the HoA is obviously an allegory for a messianic figure or possibly, which is a popular view these days, the idea that nothing the majority/second hand or generational accounts believe is actually true and was not the original intent/'how it happened'.

What I liked best was that none of the views you could take were wrong. You could disavow the Maker, be agnostic/ambivalent, pay no mind, or view yourself as a divine emissary, and the story pretty much supports all of these views in one way or another. Add the Temple of Mythal/end game spoilers and its highly possible the Chantry and Andraste point to a much older religion, suggesting its an offshoot or human rehash of something more ancient (and unknown).

[Bann Duncan]

I thought it was largely interesting and that there was a fairly even-handed approach in the game. And as someone from the US, I don't think the news media blather about religion all the time - unless you're insane and decide to leave Fox News on nonstop.

 

Don't expect anything but a parodic version of Americans to be presented about such things, unfortunately.

[Efvie]

I thought it was a fairly realistic, accurate, and above all scary representation of middle ages superstition and man’s neverending quest for self-subjugation. Genuine faith, feigned faith, community and commonality, manipulation, fables, and sometimes even things to actually believe in.

[Treacherous J Slither]

I'd rather the Inquisition not be a faith based organization but I cannot deny the effectiveness it has over peoples minds. So very useful. When you're trying to pull people together to save the world why not go with what works?

 

Question: Do believers know it's not real and just go about it all as a way of giving meaning to life or do they actually believe all that stuff is real? Is faith like the affirmation mindset? The power of positive thinking? Telling yourself that it's all going to be okay even though it's really merely a hope and not a fact?

 

I'm not trying to offend anyone. If what I wrote upsets you then please simply ignore this post.

[Roamingmachine]

Well, i did feel like i was playing Life of Brian: the game at times so i guess they did alright. What i like is that theres a whole spectrum of faith encapsulated in the various characters. We have the ever-obnoxious mother GIselle with her over the top preaching, Cassandra who mixes faith, organization and order for her personal blend in a very military manner, Leliana and her personal relationship with the deity of her choice and Varric, the everyman who generally keeps his faith as a personal matter and doesnt bring it up unless directly asked. And these are just a few examples. I'm pretty sure that, regardless of faith, those of us who are faithful will recognize a bit of themselves in these characters.

What i did find lacking is that the game didnt really handle religious conflict at all. We have andrastianism, the Dalish faith and the dwarven stone faith under one roof and at least one of those religions views itself as the one true faith and has long sought to eradicate the other two, leading the two to view that religion with distinct hostility. Yet we apparently have zero conflict. Its entirely possible that the inquisition has managed to filter out the most troublesome individuals of the various religions but i would have expected at least some tension.

[Roamingmachine]

I'd rather the Inquisition not be a faith based organization but I cannot deny the effectiveness it has over peoples minds. So very useful. When you're trying to pull people together to save the world why not go with what works?
 
Question: Do believers know it's not real and just go about it all as a way of giving meaning to life or do they actually believe all that stuff is real? Is faith like the affirmation mindset? The power of positive thinking? Telling yourself that it's all going to be okay even though it's really merely a hope and not a fact?
 
I'm not trying to offend anyone. If what I wrote upsets you then please simply ignore this post.

Now that is a complicated question. The nature of reality has long been a subject of debate and as far i know, no real conclusion has ever been reached. I can only answer from my personal view. I know that all gods exist. I worship the old pantheon of my people, but i can't deny the other gods. How do i know? I just do. Why do i believe? Because i know its true. its not based on any measurable evidence nor any point of debate. It just is. Such is the nature of faith. Are atheists wrong? No. To an atheist, gods really do not exist. I know this doesnt make much sense, but to me this is like trying to explain a color. What words can you use for something so personal? Hope that helps somewhat in understanding the mindset of a believer