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[leadintea]

I am pro-Mage freedom, especially after DA:I. The game showed me that templars are completely unnecessary. At the end of my game, mages had unprecedented acceptance without the "protection" of templars or circles.

 

I actually really hated this outcome. I feel they could've added just a small bit of ominous foreshadowing like 'Though the mages got their freedom and were generally accepted, sightings of abominations became more common throughout the south' or something to show the negativity of having mages run rampant. Instead, we got an ending that pretty much trivializes everything we've been taught about mages and magic and the necessity of Templars.

[Fullmetall21]

I assume you mean if I myself was in the DA world. If so definitely pro templar without a second thought. The reason is simple. Lets say you meet this guy, nice fellow until you learn he can actually set things on fire. With his mind. And then suddenly you are afraid to even speak to him in case you say something that would ****** him off. At least that's how I feel,

I have been pro templar for DA2 and I would also be on origins if Wynne was not mandatory to finish the game. Magic is dangerous not only to the common people (mostly them though) but to mages themselves. Thus  magic must be controlled although not with an iron fist like Meredith in DA2. The only thing wrong about the circles (most of them anyway) is the rite of tranquility if that's gone then hell yeah stick them in circles.

[Dried Donkey]

i used to be on the side of the mages but DA:I made me not like either side tbh

[thesuperdarkone2]

I actually really hated this outcome. I feel they could've added just a small bit of ominous foreshadowing like 'Though the mages got their freedom and were generally accepted, sightings of abominations became more common throughout the south' or something to show the negativity of having mages run rampant. Instead, we got an ending that pretty much trivializes everything we've been taught about mages and magic and the necessity of Templars.

Or maybe it turns out that much of the fears are just paranoia and bigotry considering that if you ally with the mages, Cullen and Vivienne claim that abominations will run rampant yet there are NO abominations ever as a result. Seems like giving mages freedom isn't as bad as people claim. Seems like templar supporters are paranoid fools as a result.

[Ashagar]

Doubtful, very doubtful given the lore evidence and what has been seen in previous games.

[leadintea]

Doubtful, very doubtful given the lore evidence and what has been seen in previous games.

 

Yeah, it seems to me that Bioware just rushed through the whole Mage/Templar issue just to give way to the new plot elements. Not that I'm chastising them for it since I wasn't the biggest fan of the issue, but they could've at least made Templars seem like a reasonable choice compared to the mages or at least not made mages come across as innocent victims or unsusceptible to the dangers of magic all the time.

[Valerius]

I'm kind of surprised that so many people are saying the mage option is better. I for one think that the Templar option makes for a MUCH better story. In it,
1. you learn about corypheus's past and his relationship with dumat.
2. The fade portion is way better than time travel.
3. You get Ser Barris, one of the most noble characters in dragon age I have ever seen who isn't a complete idiot (Fiona).
4. You get to kill Fiona.
5. Templar war table missions involve saving mages from angry mobs, showing their positive side for once.
6. The venatori make for better villains than red lyrium templars.
7. Calpernia > Samson any day
I was happy Bioware finally made a game where going pro Templar felt like the right choice (In my opinion.)

[Jaron Oberyn]

Mages all the way. Although yes Calpernia > Samson. 

[TheDragonOfWhy]

3. You get Ser Barris, one of the most noble characters in dragon age I have ever seen who isn't a complete idiot (Fiona).

I'm sorry who? I'm playing through a 'Templer' run right now, found the whole 'in the fade' thing done and repetative, we've done it in every other game and I'm still struggling to know or care who this Ser Barris is. I'm about to go kill all the wardens now and he's still never come up.
Say what you like about Mary Friona Sue, but at least she sticks around to add content to the pretty empty Skyhold. Even if you're left with the desire to throw her over the railing onto Solas's desk.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

Say what you like about Mary Friona Sue, but at least she sticks around to add content to the pretty empty Skyhold. Even if you're left with the desire to throw her over the railing onto Solas's desk.

I'm going to assume Ser Barris die on your play-through or you literally miss a series of war table missions concerning him because you choose to conscript the Templars. There is no way you'll be missing that if Ser Barris is still alive, and you choose to recruit the Templars.

 

Of course, Mary Friona Sue is sticking around in Skyhold being useless as ever while Ser Barris be a model templar and is busy helping the Inquisition save the world, battling Venatori and demons, and protecting an innocent mages from angry mob. I'm not a pro-Templar player, but you give Mary Friona Sue too much credit than she deserve. She's nothing more than idiot who sold herself and her own people to Tevinter out of desperation. 

[TheDragonOfWhy]

No one dies in my playthrows, if they do, reload and save them (haven took a while). And the extent of me giving credit to Fiona is that she's some one to talk to... I'm pro-Mage, but never been a fan of Fiona. She sold out her people when she belived Servitude to be preferable to extinction, she was wrong but its understandable. whats the Templars excuse for eatting all that Red stuff? "we were only following orders" and "yar Power yar". The mages where backed into a corner, the Tamplers did all the bad stuff themseleves.
But to say those who stick around skyhold are being useless? that same argument could be made for any of the advisors, they just stand around and do nothing. "No they do things, we just don't see them do those things" ... Right.
As for a few more war table missions, that's hardly the hight of great introduction for a character. If your honest with yourself you'll admit that Barris is not all that impressive or important. Heck I've felt more connection with that crew of freelancers you meet in the tavern and can equip and sent out on missions.

Edit:
That said, if you side with the mages the Templars are shown much more simpathicly, we learn of how they suffer in silence, how they are used and then just disposed of by the church when their usefulness is over. Samson is a very understandable character as he is trying to give hope back to those who had given up their lives for a cause only to be cast aside when they were of no more use.

[Ashagar]

Even if you did the mage side if you do the have the chargers investigate the redoubt you find out that many of the Templars were killed because they wouldn't take the red lyrium and were asking questions which was more than the mages did. That attack in the Templar quest line happens regardless the only thing that changes is the inquisition wasn't there.

 

The biggest thing for me though is what happened to the tranquil, I can't believe that at least some of the mages did not know what was happening to them and they did nothing and you never get to investigate to find out who was involved.

[The DM of Thedas]

As a proponent of blood magic(the acceptable Tevinter version of it) I am pro Mage.

[Vader20]

Is it weird to side with the templars as a mage ? Has anobody done this ?

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

Is it weird to side with the templars as a mage ? Has anobody done this ?

You could always role-play as a human character who's pro-Circle or Loyalist mages, but for a Dalish or Qunari mages....I'm still figuring how it makes sense.

[Zwingtanz]

Is it weird to side with the templars as a mage ? Has anobody done this ?

Feels like stockholm syndrome.

[Ashagar]

I disagree, there are good reasons why one might other than simply being a loyalist mage, for instance as a human mage your mentor, the first enchanter was murdered by a rebel mage for not joining the rebellion.

[Nerevar-as]

I actually really hated this outcome. I feel they could've added just a small bit of ominous foreshadowing like 'Though the mages got their freedom and were generally accepted, sightings of abominations became more common throughout the south' or something to show the negativity of having mages run rampant. Instead, we got an ending that pretty much trivializes everything we've been taught about mages and magic and the necessity of Templars.

Unless they stop training, I don´t see why there should be more abominations. Nobody is going to let themselves be possessed by a demon knowing what it entails.

[BloodyTalon]

Fully Templar forr this game, though have one mage support playhtrough and one halfway finish pro-mage playthrough.

The rest are templar or shaping up to be templar, for some reason just not feeling the mage struggle this time or liking their plot for help.  The templars seem to be better written this time and even there war table missions seem to make more sense.

Plus I'm a big fan of new demons to fight. Fighting a mage was boring and Fiona The Grand Traitor sort of spoiled the mages for me...the whole plot basically said and reinforance the idea that mages will sell out if forced into a corner no matter how much room they may have.  At-least The Templars ended up having some backbone when all was said and done, and even if you don't side with them, the chargers find out that some of them did resit not has many has if you had sided with them...so things like that make me more pro-templar.

Gotta love the extra war table missions the bull chargers bring eith them to give you more insight into the side you didn't pick.

Anyway sorry for typos and errors.

[Zwingtanz]

I disagree, there are good reasons why one might other than simply being a loyalist mage, for instance as a human mage your mentor, the first enchanter was murdered by a rebel mage for not joining the rebellion.

True, but even my loyalist mage would rather help the mages on the right path (conscript) than walk into a templar fortress. The game worked hard to make me despise them at that point.

[KatsKats]

I'm with HYR 2.0.

 

Both sides have behaved irresponsibly. Mages don't seem to be able to regulate themselves very well, and too many just felt blood magic was fine and dandy. Too many Templars went the red lyrium route and were more concerned about power than justice.

 

I think mages should be allowed to live wherever they wish, but there are too many who are lured into the temptation of abusing such powerful magic. There needs to be checks and balances such as the Templars need to be there when one or more go rogue.

[Vader20]

The only thing that bothers me is that in the end it doesn't matter....this war is like 8% of the game. We should have more options, or at least suffer the consequences if making a poor choice.

 

The other irritating thing is that the conflict should be happening all over Ferelden for example, but the only place you see it present is in the Hinterlands. It's like a local rebellion, not a serious conflict.

[Rannik]

I'm sorry who? I'm playing through a 'Templer' run right now, found the whole 'in the fade' thing done and repetative, we've done it in every other game and I'm still struggling to know or care who this Ser Barris is. I'm about to go kill all the wardens now and he's still never come up.
Say what you like about Mary Friona Sue, but at least she sticks around to add content to the pretty empty Skyhold. Even if you're left with the desire to throw her over the railing onto Solas's desk.

 
Yep, she sticks around being useless (as usual) while our glorious Knight Commander is out there protecting innocent mages and killing maleficarum.
 
Ironically, the Templar leader does far more for mages than Fiona ever did.

Is it weird to side with the templars as a mage ? Has anobody done this ?

My mages are pro-templar as well.

[Aren]

mph  Blight, taint, slavery,    the event of Inquisition how many are dead because of mages? Security will have always priority and mages are incapable to govern themself they have already failed in the past, and theodosian will not give again a chance to them only to die again.

We must be realist the problems of thedas are 90%  mages legacy.

I will not give any life for the freedom of some walking bomb.

[blahblahblah]

mph  Blight, taint, slavery,    the event of Inquisition how many are dead because of mages? Security will have always priority and mages are incapable to govern themself they have already failed in the past, and theodosian will not give again a chance to them only to die again.

We must be realist the problems of thedas are 90%  mages legacy.

I will not give any life for the freedom of some walking bomb.

Blaming every mage for the mistakes of the few is the true cause of the whole MT War. Meredith and Lambert are such examples of those people who blame every problem to mages that provoke a war were Corypheus exploits. The Circle is a failure, the Chantry and the Templars abuse the mages, illegal tranquility, rite of annulments, etc.