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Team Mages or Team Templars?

Débuté par Nemesis788450 , déc. 26 2014 07:24

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#201
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Posté 30 décembre 2014 - 02:46

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If Vivienne's plan is to leave things lying around that would trick the player into assassinating her lover so that she can claim his power base, a competent player wouldn't leave something that might save him. So which is it- are we to assume she's conveniently bad at the Game at the moment of her biggest play for power?

 

She could just as well have left something that said 'get the plain heart.' Or she could have simply waited it out- Vivienne's grab for power doesn't come on the basis of 'she tried to save him with a potion,' but rather the handling of his death, and there is nothing in the context or setup to suggest that Vivienne was in a rush to get him killed by the hand of the character.

 

Instead, Vivienne directly tasks us to go for the path that might work, with notes we have no in-game reason to doubt reinforcing that it should work, and the meta-knowledge of the cutscene to indicate that the 'correct' potion did indeed have an effect.

 

I'll have to play it again. Damn you Dean. This sounds right though.


#202
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Posté 30 décembre 2014 - 03:43

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Since origins I've been team templar all the way baby, I get that most mages are good people but your run of the mill mage is just as stupid as the common peasant. push one in a corner and doink! abomination slaughtered an entire village again


#203
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Posté 30 décembre 2014 - 03:49

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I am a rouge so I think both the Mage's and Templar's are crazy. I choose Templar over mage; however I would not kill a mage. Just keep your magic spells under control.


#204
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Posté 30 décembre 2014 - 03:52

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I killed Fiona.  Lamest death ever.  I'm with Ryzaki.  Mages questline would be so much improved if I could judge her as well.

 

Just not sure what the appropriate punishment for being stupid would be?  Permanent Latrine duty?


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Posté 30 décembre 2014 - 03:59

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Just not sure what the appropriate punishment for being stupid would be?  Permanent Latrine duty?

 

Aeonar.


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Posté 30 décembre 2014 - 04:07

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I killed Fiona.  Lamest death ever.  I'm with Ryzaki.  Mages questline would be so much improved if I could judge her as well.

 

Just not sure what the appropriate punishment for being stupid would be?  Permanent Latrine duty?

 

It really is man. I wish someone had said something gawd.

 

Maybe we can have her bury the tranquil skulls we find after getting the shards. I'd hope it'd make her have some regrets but alas her head is probably too far up her ass for that to work.


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#207
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Posté 30 décembre 2014 - 04:08

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Stuck in the middle, both have their issues.  However, I choose according to who will eventually become the next Divine.

 

In a universe where the Hero of Fereleden romanced Morrigan, Leliana is free to be Divine, so I go Mages.

 

In a universe where the Hero romanced Leliana, I pick Cassandra for Divine, and go Templars.

 

You'll note that I never mentioned Vivienne as a possibility for Divine.  I feel she would be better served as First Enchanter.


#208
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Posté 30 décembre 2014 - 04:10

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Aeonar.

Assuming that it still exists and we knew the location of this place, it seems like only a few Templars know its location. I'd say Aeonar or Tranquility would be a fitting punishment for Fiona. I don't know if it's just me, Aeonar somewhat resembles the mage asylum Spellhold in Baldur's Gate II.


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Posté 30 décembre 2014 - 04:16

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Given this is dragon age, odds are the prisoners have taken over the prison and are preforming unspeakable rites, or where all those harvesters from origin escaped to or something else equally grim.


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Posté 30 décembre 2014 - 04:18

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Assuming that it still exists and we knew the location of this place, it seems like only a few Templars know its location. I'd say Aeonar or Tranquility would be a fitting punishment for Fiona. I don't know if it's just me, Aeonar somewhat resembles the mage asylum Spellhold in Baldur's Gate II.

 

Thing is, it's not just mages that are imprisoned at Aeonar...

 

Honestly, I'd actually be a tad surprised if Aeonar is still holds prisoners, and is operational.  It seems odd to think that the Mage Rebellion happens for ~3 years, and no one tried to free the prisoners there.  That and Corypheus doesn't try to get the free cannon-fodder(you can't convince me that Lord Seeker Lucius didn't know it's location)...


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Posté 30 décembre 2014 - 04:27

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Assuming that it still exists and we knew the location of this place, it seems like only a few Templars know its location. I'd say Aeonar or Tranquility would be a fitting punishment for Fiona. I don't know if it's just me, Aeonar somewhat resembles the mage asylum Spellhold in Baldur's Gate II.

 

Not Tranquility.  Only one mage in this game ever tempted me to do Tranquility on him (Erimond), and it was on my hardline Circle mage.  I'd rather she be miserable and tranquility removes that.  

Maybe notify each and every family member of the Tranquils and mages who were killed by the rebellion.  Or (as Ryzaki suggested) arranging funereal rites for all the tranquil skulls of the Venatori victims (Ocularum).  Or apply her skills to helping refugees who were harmed/displaced by the fighting around Redcliffe (community service). 

I dunno.  Aeonar may not exist, and tranquility isn't an option for me, and just throwing her worthless hide in a hole would be a waste.


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#212
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Posté 30 décembre 2014 - 04:27

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Thing is, it's not just mages that are imprisoned at Aeonar...

 

Honestly, I'd actually be a tad surprised if Aeonar is still holds prisoners, and is operational.  It seems odd to think that the Mage Rebellion happens for ~3 years, and no one tried to free the prisoners there.  That and Corypheus doesn't try to get the free cannon-fodder(you can't convince me that Lord Seeker Lucius didn't know it's location)...

True, the prison house people who are exposed to blood mages as well.

 

Well, the more people brought topic about Aeonar up, the more I think something fishy and sinister is involved with that prison. I would be surprised as well if it's still operational and on whose authority. I don't think the Rebel Mages knew about its location, and it seems like only a few people know, and maybe if they knew they just didn't want to risk unleashing uncontrollable deranged powerful mages that likely turn on fellow mages. I think it's odd that anything related to Aeonar haven't brought up in recent Dragon Age games at all. I think Lord Seeker Lucius knowledge expand further than that, and perhaps Cassandra knew especially after read that book.


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Posté 30 décembre 2014 - 04:29

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So, as I said, it's Tevinter Circle of Magi part deux.
 
Wonderful.


I don't see that as a bad thing. From what I've heard about it, I think the Tevinter circle system is better. The problem comes from all the slavery and such.

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Posté 30 décembre 2014 - 04:31

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I'd rather she be miserable and tranquility removes that.  

Maybe notify each and every family member of the Tranquils and mages who were killed by the rebellion.  Or (as Ryzaki suggested) arranging funereal rites for all the tranquil skulls of the Venatori victims (Ocularum).  Or apply her skills to helping refugees who were harmed/displaced by the fighting around Redcliffe (community service). 

I dunno.  Aeonar may not exist, and tranquility isn't an option for me, and just throwing her worthless hide in a hole would be a waste.

You make a valid point, and it's something to be considered. It's too bad that despite many players who wish to judge Fiona and punish her or demand her to make an amends cannot do anything to her once you side with the Rebel Mages. She's basically got her plot armor back again.


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Posté 30 décembre 2014 - 04:32

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True, the prison house people who are exposed to blood mages as well.

 

Well, the more people brought topic about Aeonar up, the more I think something fishy and sinister is involved with that prison. I would be surprised as well if it's still operational and on whose authority.

 

Oh, that place is definitely sinister (as its original codex reveals), but whether or not its operational doesn't really matter. I'd rather just treat it like a big garbage pit; just toss offenders in and take comfort knowing that their final hours will be filled with terrors unimaginable.

 

Of course, with the risk of abominations escaping it's probably more trouble than it's worth. I can settle with old-fashioned hanging in this case.


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Posté 30 décembre 2014 - 04:35

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True, the prison house people who are exposed to blood mages as well.
 
Well, the more people brought topic about Aeonar up, the more I think something fishy and sinister is involved with that prison. I would be surprised as well if it's still operational and on whose authority. I don't think the Rebel Mages knew about its location, and it seems like only a few people know, and maybe if they knew they just didn't want to risk unleashing uncontrollable deranged powerful mages that likely turn on fellow mages. I think it's odd that anything related to Aeonar haven't brought up in recent Dragon Age games at all. I think Lord Seeker Lucius knowledge expand further than that, and perhaps Cassandra knew especially after read that book.

 
You may be right about how Aeonar survives the Mage-Templar war... And, after thinking about it, the only reason I can think of that would explain why Aeonar survives Corypheus is that Corypheus, being an Ancient Tevinter Magister, might know what Aeonar was originally built for.  And that he might be scared of the idea of going there to help get himself to the fade...  Which would be concerning in and of itself.
 
It's not surprising that Aeonar wasn't mentioned in DA2... But with Aeonar being said to be in Ferelden(but it's location unknown), I can't really understand why there is no mention of it at all in Inquisition...


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Posté 30 décembre 2014 - 04:39

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 It's not surprising that Aeonar wasn't mentioned in DA2... But with Aeonar being said to be in Ferelden(but it's location unknown), I can't really understand why there is no mention of it at all in Inquisition...

 

Probably because Bioware realized that, while it certainly sounds super dire and spooky, it's function is actually really, really stupid.


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Posté 30 décembre 2014 - 04:41

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Probably because Bioware realized that, while it certainly sounds super dire and spooky, it's function is actually really, really stupid.

I bet we get a "it was destroyed during the rebellion" and never hear from it again


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Posté 30 décembre 2014 - 04:42

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I bet we get a "it was destroyed during the rebellion" and never hear from it again

That's convenient...too convenient.


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Posté 30 décembre 2014 - 04:46

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I always envisioned Aeonar as kind of like that place they send mage criminals in Harry Potter (I forget the name).


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Posté 30 décembre 2014 - 04:49

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I always envisioned Aeonar as kind of like that place they send mage criminals in Harry Potter (I forget the name).

Azkaban?


#222
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Posté 30 décembre 2014 - 04:51

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Azkaban?

Yea that sounds right.


#223
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Posté 30 décembre 2014 - 04:51

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I always envisioned Aeonar as kind of like that place they send mage criminals in Harry Potter (I forget the name).

 

It's a trial-by-fire with demons, as the veil there is damage. Apparently, the logic is that getting possessed or not getting possessed somehow proves if someone is guilty... or not guilty?

 

Problem is, it seems like you're just going to get an abomination that now has to be dealt with like 75% of the time.


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Posté 30 décembre 2014 - 04:54

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Probably because Bioware realized that, while it certainly sounds super dire and spooky, it's function is actually really, really stupid.

 

Aeonar's function as a prison is actually pretty ingenious, if one thinks about it... The way it's described in the codex, it sounds like all but a garaunteed death sentence to accused maleficarum(or those affected by blood magic), and a rather quick one at that.  Even if some mages knew where it was, and went there to rescue people, there probably weren't very many to rescue.   And if the inference is correct, and all those sentenced to Aeonar are sentenced to "death by abomination", it has to have a number of templars stationed there.  Which would make me wonder more about whether or not Lord Seeker Lucius and Corypheus tried to get them too, or if they ignored it for a specific reason.


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Posté 30 décembre 2014 - 05:02

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Templars sound like a better football team. I'll go with them. 


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