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[Han Shot First]

 

Excuse me, but this is grasping at straws. If you remove the makeup, the faces are still fairly nice looking. It's just a specific detail about Skyrim modding - a lot of customization can be done with textures and hairstyles(ie seemingly changing face shape without actual geometry change) and people use this to full extent.

 

*snip*

 

There is a ton of other similar images of US, Israeli, Russian and Chinese good-looking military women on the internet. No reason not to feature good looking female characters in a sci-fi game.

 

You entirely misunderstood my point.

 

I'm not saying that there shouldn't be attractive female characters, or that female characters with military backgrounds can't be attractive. I served in the military, so I know the latter isn't true. What I am saying is that they shouldn't look like airbrushed supermodels who just came from having their hair and makeup done by professionals, which is how most of those modded characters you posted look.

[BabyPuncher]

I do hope people are considering that unlike film and television, you can't just ruffle up a characters hair and make it look messy within minutes. If you want a character to look grimy or messy, that could be months of work to remodel them. That doesn't even touch the wide variety of player determined-hairstyles for their character.

So you're probably stuck with one 'look.' One degree of messiness.

[camphor]

Your argument somewhat falls apart because you ignore all the other women who do not fit what you want - there is a mix, and DA:I has a mix.

Just because they do not meet your standards of beauty does not mean that they do not meet others; furthermore note that defining the female characters by their appearance as opposed to who they are is problematic - especially as the male characters are not generally judged by a similar standard.

 

The fact that people are complaining about Cassandra's appearance, rather than commenting on what a good character she is is rather worrying if I am honest. It seems to suggest that she could have the depth of a puddle, but as long as she was beautiful it would be ok.

Got to get this out of the way. you realize how someone looks actually tells you a significant amount of information about them right, including genetic markers what they may or may not have experienced in life, how they live their life, I liked the way Cassandra looked personally because she looked like someone who had been through some ****, that said if cassandra had been royalty (like reigning  royalty not battle hardened soldier) the scar would have detracted a lot from the character.

 

I know we live in a world where everyone wants to believe that looks don't matter, but they do, they always will because looks whether we want to believe it or not are normally a pretty accurate description of who you are and how you were raised, if your 500 pounds its safe to think your not healthy, if half your face droops to one side, your either ill/have a genetic problem/mentally unstable do to years of abuse/or suffered a stroke, and no one is gonna give two shits if your a good person because you got baggage they dont want to deal with. Trust me i am no Adonis myself, Looks are the PRIMARY way of knowing if we like someone or not, that can be passed if significant time and effort is put in to look past that, if you find someone who looks past your weird crap marry them

 

why do the good looking star in everything. Because we like looking at them

[heinoMK2]

You entirely misunderstood my point.

 

I'm not saying that there shouldn't be attractive female characters, or that female characters with military backgrounds can't be attractive. I served in the military, so I know the latter isn't true. What I am saying is that they shouldn't look like airbrushed supermodels who just came from having their hair and makeup done by professionals, which is how most of those modded characters you posted look.

My first post was an aswer to the question "how does feminine face look like, then?". The pictures answer that pretty well, i'd say.

 

I understood your point pretty well and it can be considered valid, but I simply cannot provide military looking Skyrim females right now because i was pulling random images that i liked from a modding site where makeup and fancy jewelry is the thing right now. A year or two ago when more people were playing you could find even more variety and also less makeup(it's a slider ingame or sometimes also built right into the texture itself), but i'm not going to sit for hours now looking out for that. You can easily try to imagine them without makeup yourself.

[themikefest]

You entirely misunderstood my point.

 

I'm not saying that there shouldn't be attractive female characters, or that female characters with military backgrounds can't be attractive. I served in the military, so I know the latter isn't true. What I am saying is that they shouldn't look like airbrushed supermodels who just came from having their hair and makeup done by professionals, which is how most of those modded characters you posted look.

Yep

 

I served with women when I was in the military. When they change from their BDU's to civilian clothes and let their hair down, they look very different. A few of them even looked better some models I've seen. Unless I knew the woman, I didn't realize she was in the military. 

[Han Shot First]

I like this early concept art for Mass Effect 1:

 

 

I'm not sure if that is an early unused concept of Fem Shep or Ashley Williams, as I've now seen it reposted as a concept for both. Either way minus the Phoenix armor I wouldn't mind seeing them recycling that concept for ME: Next. The character is attractive while still looking appropriately military.

[heinoMK2]

Your argument somewhat falls apart because you ignore all the other women who do not fit what you want - there is a mix, and DA:I has a mix.

Just because they do not meet your standards of beauty does not mean that they do not meet others; furthermore note that defining the female characters by their appearance as opposed to who they are is problematic - especially as the male characters are not generally judged by a similar standard.

 

The fact that people are complaining about Cassandra's appearance, rather than commenting on what a good character she is is rather worrying if I am honest. It seems to suggest that she could have the depth of a puddle, but as long as she was beautiful it would be ok.

 

I fail to see variety of good and "less good" looking females in DAI. Sera looks like the drunken degenerates i see on the streets in my hometown sometimes, with a face that must have taken a massive beating very often. Surely, fits the character and the backstory, but isn't pretty.

Cassandra is fairly manly. She isn't less of a person because of that, but still not exactly feminine or pretty(much like that swordswoman in Game of Thrones).

Vivienne. Massive cheekbones to kill any sort of appeal. Not exactly pretty, but looks at least like a woman.

Josephine? Oh god...

Morrigan? A hag, very fitting.

Leliana? Looks like she wears a mask, maybe some bottox treatment gone wrong. Also a bit of a horse face.

 

This is not a mix, this is a tragedy.

 

I'd be totally content with the situation in the military pictures i posted: some average female characters for the "realism loving" players with a couple of exceptionally pretty ones(with LI option) for those of us who'd like something pretty to look at.

[heinoMK2]

woops, double post
 

[KaiserShep]

You entirely misunderstood my point.

 

I'm not saying that there shouldn't be attractive female characters, or that female characters with military backgrounds can't be attractive. I served in the military, so I know the latter isn't true. What I am saying is that they shouldn't look like airbrushed supermodels who just came from having their hair and makeup done by professionals, which is how most of those modded characters you posted look.

 

This is why I'm not particularly fond of a lot of the beautification mods in Origins. They seem a bit too…glam. The armor mods are terrific though. I wish I could get them on PS3. 

 

But this is also why Cassandra is probably one of my favorite female combatant designs in the series. I love how the letter to an Adaar Inquisitor describes her as the "little sharp human" lol.

[KaiserShep]

I do hope people are considering that unlike film and television, you can't just ruffle up a characters hair and make it look messy within minutes. If you want a character to look grimy or messy, that could be months of work to remodel them. That doesn't even touch the wide variety of player determined-hairstyles for their character.

So you're probably stuck with one 'look.' One degree of messiness.

This depends. The Witcher does give players options to give Geralt different looks, so that's always something that could be implemented. How much it's really worth to do so is another matter. 

[RevilFox]

 

Leliana? Looks like she wears a mask, maybe some bottox treatment gone wrong. Also a bit of a horse face.

While I don't particularly agree with the majority of your opinions on the looks of female PCs in DA:I, I feel the need to call this comment out as absolutely baffling to me. Even if I agreed that none of the other NPCs are attractive (I don't), there's no way I'd be able to come with you on this journey if you don't agree that Leliana is attractive. Despite looking at every Skyrim picture you posted, seeing you call Leliana unattractive means I have literally no idea what you want in your character models. 

 

I'm a pretty huge proponent of characters, both male and female, looking more and more like real people, with real imperfections. Amongst other things, when you have a character that's in-world supposed to be extremely attractive, that character actually looks attractive and not exactly like every other character. And it opens up a far greater number of possible faces that you can use if you're willing to get dirty, for lack of a better term. Not everyone should look like a model. In fact, most people shouldn't. 

[Seishoujyo]

Lol...and yet Cullen and Dorian were prettier than the female characters...

 

You needn't worry about such.  I mean it's not like people who place appearance above all else is a new phenomenon.  Besides, I'm greedy.  I want Cassandra's awesomeness and depth...and be hot (by my standards.)

 

Sad to say but true, Dorian almost made me gay, and I am a straight guy lol, he's good looking AND interesting as a character (so yeah you can have both).

 

Can't say the same thing for Cassandra and Josephine unfortunatly.

 

The thing is, Bioware Edmonton (DA team) suck when they have to design good females, we saw that in DA2 and we see that again in DAI.

CD Projekt have some very good chara designers, that's the difference and they are not affraid to show some nice bodies.

 

But I m not that worried about ME4, because Bioware Edmonton (ME Team) and Bioware Montreal were really good with the chara design so far (Liara, Ashley, Jack, Miranda, Samantha, Aria, Kelly, Samara etc a lot of great designed females).

 

I just hope adding Ann Lemay to the writers staff isn't a bad thing and she won't go full Anita Sarkisian, I don't really know Ann if she's like this or not, only know her work in Omega DLC (and it was good I liked it, but it was a short DLC so can't really say more), so yeah we will see.

[Kappa Neko]

I just hope adding Ann Lemay to the writers staff isn't a bad thing and she won't go full Anita Sarkisian, I don't really know Ann if she's like this or not, only know her work in Omega DLC (and it was good I liked it, but it was a short DLC so can't really say more), so yeah we will see.

So just because they hired a female writer, alarm bells are going off again about feminism ruining gaming for men?

Wow, talk about gamers being biased and paranoid...

[PrayingMantis]

I just hope adding Ann Lemay to the writers staff isn't a bad thing and she won't go full Anita Sarkisian, I don't really know Ann if she's like this or not, only know her work in Omega DLC (and it was good I liked it, but it was a short DLC so can't really say more), so yeah we will see.

 

What exactly makes you think she could do that, if you only know her through a DLC? The only thing that they have in common (in my eyes), is the fact that they're both women and that's a very silly argument.

 

 

I'm a pretty huge proponent of characters, both male and female, looking more and more like real people, with real imperfections. Amongst other things, when you have a character that's in-world supposed to be extremely attractive, that character actually looks attractive and not exactly like every other character. And it opens up a far greater number of possible faces that you can use if you're willing to get dirty, for lack of a better term. Not everyone should look like a model. In fact, most people shouldn't. 

 

Well said. There is a high number of unique looking male characters with lots of imperfections in games and nobody cares about that. It saddens me that so many people (mostly dudes though) make such a big fuss about it, if female characters don't live up to their dreamy beauty standards.

I didn't find Iron Bull attractive when I started to play the game, but his unique look and personality made him one of my favourite characters and now I find him kinda attractive because of that. I don't see people complaning that he should look younger, have longer hair or a different nose.

I still don't find Solas attractive at all, but I wouldn't want his design to be changed. It shows his personality and his egghead kinda growed on me.

The girls in DA:I though all have pretty much the same body type, just different faces and people still complain about the silliest things, like Cassandra's cheek bones and hair. Sorry, but that's so entitled and childish and makes me wonder if some of these people have ever seen a girl at home without make-up and a hairstyle that didn't take 2 hours of her precious morning.

You can't change such an opinion though, but it's sad since it's obvious what those people don't really care about the personality of those characters, or what their looks might tell about their story.

If they really did, they'd complain about characters like Blackwall or Cole too.Those two don't look like attractive models, do they now? 

A complaint that goes like "please add more sex appeal, i don't want to frick that female character otherwise" rather than "I don't like the overall design of the npcs" isn't a serious argument. It's just your personal opinion, man.

[Majestic Jazz]

I know the difference but can anyone explain the difference between a SJW and someone who believes in diverity and equal rights?

Not a trick question.

[Cheviot]

I know the difference but can anyone explain the difference between a SJW and someone who believes in diverity and equal rights?

Not a trick question

If the diversity and equal rights being talked about relates to women, especially in video games, then the term "SJW" is thrown around. 

[Altair_ShepardN7]

As a Hispanic, I hope the next Mass Effect has more Hispanics. Other than James Vegas, has there being any other Hispanics? I can't remember any other in the entire trilogy. 

 

Edit: There is also Cortez. 

[Altair_ShepardN7]

Ashley is supposed to be partially, according to her writer. Same with Vega actually (his dad is a blonde guy, and Vega's paternal last name is Sanders).

 

 

Hackett might be partially too... he was born in Argentina at least.

Ashley? I don't know, she was stationed in Brazil but that is all. And you're right about Hackett being born in Argentina - but he is missing the big nose, the accent and some comments about football. 

[Han Shot First]

I know the difference but can anyone explain the difference between a SJW and someone who believes in diverity and equal rights?

Not a trick question.

 

A lot of the time it is being used I don't think the person posting it is just using it in the same sense that someone in the 90s might have used "bleeding heart liberal." It's pretty much just become a pejorative for people perceived as being far left by those who are father to the right on the political spectrum. Most times it gets thrown around on internet forums I don't think the people using it are making much of distinction between fanatics and people who just care about equality or social issues.

 

But if you're looking for a difference I suppose you could say it applies to people who while are ostensibly championing a good cause, but veer towards fanaticism and their own version of intolerance. Basically people that are to feminism or other social justice causes what PETA is to animal rights or enviromentalism. Similarily, people in PETA or Greenpeace could probably be called ecowarriors.

 

But I don't think most times it used the people using it are making that distinction. Since gamer gate it just gets thrown around as a blanket term and pejorative for 'all people left of me on the political spectrum that disagree with me."

[Deebo305]

I await this romancble Squadmate in ME4

Spoiler

Perfect replacement for Ashley Williams