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[AtreiyaN7]

It seems ridiculous to me that the OP would say that the majority of the companions in DA:I were ugly. I'd say that aside from Bull, the companions seemed to range from average to attractive by human standards. Although taste is subjective as far as what each person finds attractive, for someone to find all the companions ugly makes me think that they have unrealistically high standards of beauty.

 

In general, there seemed to be a fairly wide range of attractive and unattractive characters in DA:I as far as the major NPCs went, which seems reflective of how things work IRL. There were extremely attractive and striking women like Leliana and Morrigan present in DA:I for sure, and I'm of the opinion that anyone who insists that Leliana and Morrigan were ugly must think that all female characters should look like 20-something Victoria's Secret models.

 

I like hot guys (quite a lot), yet I don't expect all male NPCs or all male LIs in a game to look like Brad Pitt clones just because I have a preference for hot guys. Amazingly, I actually survived playing ME back in the days when a lot of the ME human NPCs looked kind of weird (particularly the guys)! Equally amazingly, I thought the story mattered a bit more than the prettiness of the NPCs!

 

Demanding that all female characters or all male characters look like movie stars sounds like juvenile wish-fulfillment to me - sorry. What I can agree on is that some NPCs looked a bit off in DA:I and that it would be nice if you had more unique NPCs instead of generic ones, but I understand about having limited resources that are better spent on things other than making all the NPCs look different.

 

My general preference is for realism - as in the NPC characters being nearly indistinguishable from real humans (although not so much that you hit uncanny valley territory) - with all the major NPCs having varying levels of attractiveness (e.g., I'm cool with the characters ranging from ugly to average to super, super hot). I do think that working on the hair would have have helped, because DA:I could have used more hairstyles for sure. I certainly hope that ME4 does better in that department.

[Grieving Natashina]

 

I'm surprised this is still going.  This started back in December.  It's now June.  Is this truly a major concern?  I'm a fan of a variety of looks for the cast in my games, male and female.  No matter if it's sci-fi or European fantasy, not everyone is model-gorgeous and I'm glad that we have the technology for our games to reflect that fully.

 

I also think using mods to back up any sort of point about what the "average" player wants is stupid.  It's taking a minority (PC gamers) plus a minority of that (those that use mods) and then a smaller minority still (those that actually use those particular mods) as a reflection of what all or even most gamers want.  It's even worse using Skyrim, a game that sold 86% of it's copies on console out of approximately 20 million sales.  If anyone doesn't believe me, go look that stat up.

 

Give me a break.  If you want more characters like that, then fine.  I won't judge you, because it's not my place.  Knock yourself out.  If you want all female human characters and especially LIs to look like that, you're wasting your time and energy.  Some characters will be "conventionally" attractive, some won't.

 

 So many of these threads crying about looks when the women look great.  I hope every one of these complaints gives the ME team more incentive to make a lady LI for the straight male PC to have looks more like Garrus or even Eve.  

[BabyPuncher]

I also think using mods to back up any sort of point about what the "average" player wants is stupid. It's taking a minority (PC gamers) plus a minority of that (those that use mods) and then a smaller minority still (those that actually use those particular mods) as a reflection of what all or even most gamers want. It's even worse using Skyrim, a game that sold 86% of it's copies on console out of approximately 20 million sales. If anyone doesn't believe me, go look that stat up.

By itself this is really very poor reasoning. aside from the part about players using particular mods.

Here's some simple logic for you. The USA has less than 5% of the human population in it. Clearly a minority. Does that mean any statistic about humans in general based on people solely in USA must be faulty, because they're a small minority of the human population?

It does not. Unless you can give a particular reason why players who use mods should have different perspectives on attractiveness, you're really not saying much. Of course, the population of players who use mods is almost certain to be older, wealthier, and more technically proficient than the general player population, but I don't why see any of those things should correlate to a large enough difference to invalidate this information.

[Seishoujyo]

Demanding that all female characters or all male characters look like movie stars sounds like juvenile wish-fulfillment to me - sorry. What I can agree on is that some NPCs looked a bit off in DA:I and that it would be nice if you had more unique NPCs instead of generic ones, but I understand about having limited resources that are better spent on things other than making all the NPCs look different.

 

My general preference is for realism - as in the NPC characters being nearly indistinguishable from real humans (although not so much that you hit uncanny valley territory) - with all the major NPCs having varying levels of attractiveness (e.g., I'm cool with the characters ranging from ugly to average to super, super hot). I do think that working on the hair would have have helped, because DA:I could have used more hairstyles for sure. I certainly hope that ME4 does better in that department.

 

But they look like movie stars in Final Fantasy, or even Persona or Xenoblade or The Witcher, and everyone is happy. Where is the problem with that ?

 

I have enough of realism everyday in my life seeing ugly chicks and guys, I don't want it in my games, games and movies are made to make us dream.

 

And maybe you re saying it's ok, it's not a problem for you but a lot of people are complaining about the chara design in DAI, so there is a problem, we hadn't this debate with DAO, ME1, ME2 or ME3 people weren't complaining, but they complain for DAI because there is a problem even if some people here will deny it.

[Seishoujyo]

I also think using mods to back up any sort of point about what the "average" player wants is stupid.  It's taking a minority (PC gamers) plus a minority of that (those that use mods) and then a smaller minority still (those that actually use those particular mods) as a reflection of what all or even most gamers want.  It's even worse using Skyrim, a game that sold 86% of it's copies on console out of approximately 20 million sales.  If anyone doesn't believe me, go look that stat up.

 

Ok, so the same goes for the LGBT community, it's a small minority so why are they so vocal ? Why should we do something for them ? Exactly the same thing.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Ok, so the same goes for the LGBT community, it's a small minority so why are they so vocal ? Why should we do something for them ? Exactly the same thing.

Did you just say people wanting to be treated equally and fairly as people to people wanting attractive characters in a video game as equal requests? 

 

 

But they look like movie stars in Final Fantasy, or even Persona or Xenoblade or The Witcher, and everyone is happy. Where is the problem with that ?

 

I have enough of realism everyday in my life seeing ugly chicks and guys, I don't want it in my games, games and movies are made to make us dream.

 

And maybe you re saying it's ok, it's not a problem for you but a lot of people are complaining about the chara design in DAI, so there is a problem, we hadn't this debate with DAO, ME1, ME2 or ME3 people weren't complaining, but they complain for DAI because there is a problem even if some people here will deny it.

People complained about the appearance of characters in those games too. For example a lot complained about how Bioware prettied Ashley up. 

[BabyPuncher]

Did you just say people wanting to be treated equally and fairly as people to people wanting attractive characters in a video game as the same thing?

People who want to be treated equally...by wanting certain things in video games?

You need to get a grip.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

People who want to be treated equally...by wanting certain things in video games?

You need to get a grip.

The post I was replying to never mentioned specifically video game representations of those origins. It just said that asking for attractive characters is on par with a group of people asking to be treated better. Hence my question. 

[Will-o'-wisp]

I have enough of realism everyday in my life seeing ugly chicks and guys, I don't want it in my games, games and movies are made to make us dream.

You poor poor child, have those terrible ugly people traumatized you? Sorry, but that part of your post sounded rather pathetic.  I barely even get people who say that they don't want certain themes like rape and child abuse in their games because reality is harsh enough, but excluding ugly people from a game because you can't bare to look at them? That's so stupid it's actually funny.

 

Games - like movies - are a form of art and some forms of art benefit from a certain realism. I like my games to be somewhat realistic, to not be pure mindless wish fulfillment and power fantasies and to give me something to think about. It helps if people actually look real and sometimes ugly and flawed like they do in real life instead everyone being some flawless teenage fantasy come to life. I think "The last Action hero" with Arnold Schwarzenegger has been mentioned before, it's the very same thing.

[BabyPuncher]

The post I was replying to never mentioned specifically video game representations of those origins. It just said that asking for attractive characters is on par with a group of people asking to be treated better.

Yes. That's exactly right. Wanting to be treated better does not automatically move you up to the tippy top of the priority list of all things important in the world. It does nothing to stop you from being hypocritical or simply stupid. And your little fake gasp of horror in response to the tragedy of everyone not immediately abandoning their convictions to cater to every whim of such people is irritating.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Yes. That's exactly right. Wanting to be treated better does not move you automatically move you up to the tippy top of the priority list of all things important in the world. It does nothing to stop you from being hypocritical or simply stupid. And your little fake gasp of horror in response to the tragedy everyone not immediately abandoning their convictions to cater to every whim of such people is irritating.

What are you talking about? All I did was ask a question to a poster to clarify what they meant. 

[KaiserShep]

But they look like movie stars in Final Fantasy, or even Persona or Xenoblade or The Witcher, and everyone is happy. Where is the problem with that ?

 

I have enough of realism everyday in my life seeing ugly chicks and guys, I don't want it in my games, games and movies are made to make us dream.

 

The characters in Final Fantasy, Persona and Xenoblade don't look like movie stars; they look like anime characters, and that's not the same thing. The style of their character designs is so fundamentally different from the way characters in The Witcher are designed that it's strange that they'd be lumped in the same pile at all. And in the case of the Witcher, we basically have an actual reason in-game that some characters look the way they do: magical augmentation. Plenty of other characters look very ordinary, or in some cases pretty rough looking.  

 

You certainly have my undying sympathy for having to put up with seeing all those ugly people day in and day out. I salute your fortitude. 

 

And maybe you re saying it's ok, it's not a problem for you but a lot of people are complaining about the chara design in DAI, so there is a problem, we hadn't this debate with DAO, ME1, ME2 or ME3 people weren't complaining, but they complain for DAI because there is a problem even if some people here will deny it.

 

 

How do you figure that there's actually a problem? Because people are complaining? This is BSN. People are always complaining. But, then there's this:

 

Ok, so the same goes for the LGBT community, it's a small minority so why are they so vocal ? Why should we do something for them ? Exactly the same thing.

 

The logic here may also apply to the people who can't stop pissing and moaning about the way characters look. It's also possible that these people are also a very vocal minority. After all, the users that are active on BSN only comprise a minority of BioWare's customer base. 

[Seishoujyo]

The characters in Final Fantasy, Persona and Xenoblade don't look like movie stars; they look like anime characters, and that's not the same thing. The style of their character designs is so fundamentally different from the way characters in The Witcher are designed that it's strange that they'd be lumped in the same pile at all. And in the case of the Witcher, we basically have an actual reason in-game that some characters look the way they do: magical augmentation. Plenty of other characters look very ordinary, or in some cases pretty rough looking. 

 

Hum no they look good, I have seen some bad designed characters in animes or mangas, and even in animes you can see some ugly characters (Persona 4 has some). BTW FF isn't anime style in my opinion.

 

 

You certainly have my undying sympathy for having to put up with seeing all those ugly people day in and day out. I salute your fortitude.

 

Oh thank you my friend, you know it's not easy everyday, sometimes enough is enough (and you play The Witcher 3)

 

 

How do you figure that there's actually a problem? Because people are complaining? This is BSN. People are always complaining. But, then there's this:

 

Because a lot of people complain (did you see this debate with ME1,2,3 or DAO ? Probably not), not just here on BSN, wake up man and go on the other forums you will se A LOT of topics about hetero romances, Cassandra, Josephine, chara design etc.

 

It's the same thing if you think about the endings of ME3, people are complaining because they don't like it, you were probably one of them BTW and you have the right to not be happy, just like people have the right to not be happy with DAI's chara design.

 

 

The logic here may also apply to the people who can't stop pissing and moaning about the way characters look. It's also possible that these people are also a very vocal minority. After all, the users that are active on BSN only comprise a minority of BioWare's customer base. 

 

Ha ha so equality again. This minority has the same rights as the other minorities like the LBGT or else, right ?

[KaiserShep]

The ME3 ending debacle doesn't even compare; it's in a totally different league. The threads that have people complaining about Cassandra and Josephine are small potatoes compared to the OMFG-schlockpocalypse that was the fandom's reaction to the endings, not to mention the numerous articles on it throughout the internet. It was a fairly big event in gaming. This is nothing. 

[RINNZ]

I'm surprised this is still going. This started back in December. It's now June. Is this truly a major concern? I'm a fan of a variety of looks for the cast in my games, male and female. No matter if it's sci-fi or European fantasy, not everyone is model-gorgeous and I'm glad that we have the technology for our games to reflect that fully.

I also think using mods to back up any sort of point about what the "average" player wants is stupid. It's taking a minority (PC gamers) plus a minority of that (those that use mods) and then a smaller minority still (those that actually use those particular mods) as a reflection of what all or even most gamers want. It's even worse using Skyrim, a game that sold 86% of it's copies on console out of approximately 20 million sales. If anyone doesn't believe me, go look that stat up.

Give me a break. If you want more characters like that, then fine. I won't judge you, because it's not my place. Knock yourself out. If you want all female human characters and especially LIs to look like that, you're wasting your time and energy. Some characters will be "conventionally" attractive, some won't.

So many of these threads crying about looks when the women look great. I hope every one of these complaints gives the ME team more incentive to make a lady LI for the straight male PC to have looks more like Garrus or even Eve.

Nat pls, you know I'd take a femGarrus any day of the week.

Though i would say that the devs pulling a move like that would only bring up more agenda accusations and actually have a solid ground for complaining.

[canarius]

I hope Bioware won't listen to SJWs this time and make females attractive and romancable by straight man. Otherwise this game might be a failure like inquisition.

[canarius]

Yes just follow the original Trilogy or DA:O in that regard

No one's asking for supermodels but just attractive looking LI's which Cassandra and Josephine sadly weren't (in my opinion)

 

I thought Cassandra was really pretty in DA2 but they changed her looks and made her look like a man in DAI. I guess they were pandering to SJWs. They were probably trying to give the "hey look a women doesn't have to be attractive to be good romance" message which was really pathetic. I hope they don't do this for Mass Effect 4.

[von uber]

I hope Bioware won't listen to SJWs this time and make females attractive and romancable by straight man. Otherwise this game might be a failure like inquisition.

 

1.1 million sales in it first week alone? Strange idea of failure there.

[canarius]

1.1 million sales in it first week alone? Strange idea of failure there.

 Yet it didn't even make the top 10 NPD November list. I doubt DAI will sell over 4 million in its lifetime.

[KaiserShep]

I hope Bioware won't listen to SJWs this time and make females attractive and romancable by straight man. Otherwise this game might be a failure like inquisition.

 

And it's a wonder why I have a hard time taking these sorts of threads seriously.

 

What did these "SJW"'s tell BioWare anyway? I feel like people are referring to some sort of shadowy, nebulous internet community that makes veiled threats or whispers in writers and developers' ears to influence their character design. Where the frak are these people and why do we never see them make these suggestions before the game is released? 

[von uber]

 Yet it didn't even make the top 10 NPD November list. I doubt DAI will sell over 4 million in its lifetime.

 

That US sales only? And does it include digital?

[canarius]

And it's a wonder why I have a hard time taking these sorts of threads seriously.

 

What did these "SJW"'s tell BioWare anyway? I feel like people are referring to some sort of shadowy, nebulous internet community that makes veiled threats or whispers in writers and developers' ears to influence their character design. Where the frak are these people and why do we never see them make these suggestions before the game is released? 

 Lol BSN is full of them.