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Actually, it does. A person doesn't stop being a racist or a sexist because they don't want to murder every brown person/ female in existence, but instead wishes to relegate them to a subserviant or 2nd class role with less rights, or even just feels a bit uncomfortable working next to them. The double standard that is based solely on the character's sexuality is all that is required to make that judgement. It's textbook homophobe (which no, doesn't mean that one is literally afraid that the gay boogieman is going to sneak into one's house and do nefarious things to their butthole while one sleeps).


I don't 'want' to regulate anyone to a 2nd class role, but it's an inevitable consequence of the reality of value.

Pretty much everyone seems to agree that individuals have the 'right' to want what they want without being a bigot, so long as they're polite about it. That I, personally, have a right to enjoy male-female or female-female romances more than male-male romances. That if I went to the movie theater, I have a right to spend my $10 on the movie with a picture of a man and woman kissing instead of two men kissing. That I'm not obligated to find gay men kissing attractive.

The contradiction is that people demand 'society' as a whole is obligated to find every group of equal worth. If 'society' thinks gay men aren't as romantic, it's bigotry. If 'society' thinks that transgendered people are not as feminine and beautiful as normal women, it's bigotry.

But all society is is a collection of individuals. As Thatcher said, it's an illusion. A myth. What happens there's an aggregate of individuals who think like me? Who politely and respectfully spend their money on the film with the straight romance instead of the gay one?

I have to wonder, how many people does it take to make it okay to demand a group find someone attractive? Obviously, it's wrong to demand one person find somone attractive. That one person has every right to prefer A over B, we say. But when we have a dozen people, is it okay now to be enraged when everyone likes A and not B? A hundred? A thousand? A million? At one point does that collection of individuals who prefer A over B stop having a right to want what they want and start being 'hateful' bigots?

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I think that one character in the Mass Effect trilogy should have been this way: Tali. Much to the likely dismay of many an avid Talimancer, her unique situation would have been a prime target for an obligatorily platonic relationship, because she could die. The fact that she adapts to an alien's bodily fluids so quickly despite telling us in a prior game that it would take her people over the course of a few decades to adapt to a new planet is plenty ridiculous. If the game played up her considerably poor immune system in the romance to the point where she could never interact with Shepard outside of her suit, I guess we'd see just how mature a lot of the fandom really is about the whole thing. 

Well Tali is a rather special case though

I never romanced her but I guess you are right, in her case it might have been better to go the No sex route

 

Still in Josephine's case it made zero sense apart from appealing to people who don't like sex I guess



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Well Tali is a rather special case though
I never romanced her but I guess you are right, in her case it might have been better to go the No sex route

Still in Josephine's case it made zero sense apart from appealing to people who don't like sex I guess


Its funny cause prior to DAI release, Josie (Scribbles) was the popular romance choice. Then after finding out she is a Disney princess, she is no longer the top female romance choice.

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That person next to you is homosexual? Then you're going to act in a different way, now you have to pick your words and think carefully what to say (even if you're joking) because you don't want to offend them or make them feel bad. 

 

No, I won't. I will treat them like I would treat anyone else.


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And how the hell does feeling that Cortez wanted to f*** Shepard and was sending him messages makes him a homophobe? I felt like Liara wanted to f*** my Shepard throughout the entire trilogy and it made some scenes really awkward, now I'm a xenophobe or something?

 

Because he said he felt that way when Cortez mourned his husband.

Seriously, how scared of getting hit on by a gay guy can a straight guy can be?

Cortez is crying about his husband and remembering good things about him and Seishoujyo feels that Cortez is asking for Shepard to ''bang'' him and take his husband's role. He's clearly scared of getting hit on by a gay guy.

Also, Cortez pretty much never makes a pass at Shepard. Shepard initiates it.

 

(For Liara, I kind of agree. She clearly wants Shepard and she's not afraid to ask. She asks you like 3 times. That's the difference between her and Cortez.)


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Why not a give a choice though? I really hope ME4 doesn't force us on a no sex path
It makes the romance seem childish and immature

I disagree. The fact that there isn't an explicit sex scene doesn't make the entire romance seem childish and immature since not all relationships involve sex. 

 

Well Tali is a rather special case though

I never romanced her but I guess you are right, in her case it might have been better to go the No sex route

 

Still in Josephine's case it made zero sense apart from appealing to people who don't like sex I guess

What's wrong with appealing to those people? I'm not asking out of a sense of aggressiveness, but merely of curiosity. 

 

Its funny cause prior to DAI release, Josie (Scribbles) was the popular romance choice. Then after finding out she is a Disney princess, she is no longer the top female romance choice.

No, she wasn't. Cassandra was always the most sought after LI available to male Inquisitors. Makes sense since she had an appearance in a previous game and a movie to build a fanbase prior to Inquisition. 



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Well Tali is a rather special case though

I never romanced her but I guess you are right, in her case it might have been better to go the No sex route

 

Still in Josephine's case it made zero sense apart from appealing to people who don't like sex I guess

 

The "makes sense" argument can be kind of tricky in this case. For some people, it makes sense to avoid having sex with someone entirely until they're married. Regardless of how you may see it logically, that's just how some people are and many would not be willing to change that for anyone. Granted, this isn't something that I believe to be explicitly stated by Josephine in the game, but she's easily a character I can see going that route, given her uber diplomacy thing and her concerns over family holdings and such. Heck, she was even going to be betrothed to someone. 

 

Heck, given her character and her situation, I would not have been surprised if she was gated to human males, as to avoid any kind of scandal for her family.


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No, I won't. I will treat them like I would treat anyone else.

I don't think you understood what I said.

 

On my first year at college, I had to take Advanced English/Introduction to Literature (in engineering <_< ). My professor was a a woman, really bitchy btw. She also happened to be ultra feminist - I mean like ultra hardcore feminist, almost Anita level. She asked us males (as part of class) tricky questions like "Should a woman that stays in the house cook food for her husband?" One of the men said "If I'm working and she is at home, then I would like if she cook food," all hell broke lose. Us males had to be VERY careful with what we said, otherwise we will have her and a couple of ultra feminist girls at our throats (literally). Of course we had nothing against her or feminism, but we picked our words very carefully to not offend her. For an entire year, me and a bunch of other men had to carefully choose our words in that class in order to not offend them or make them feel bad, and these are only a few of the incidents that happened. 

 

People will act in a different way according to the person in front of them, it has nothing to do with discrimination or hate ffs.  



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The "makes sense" argument can be kind of tricky in this case. For some people, it makes sense to avoid having sex with someone entirely until they're married. Regardless of how you may see it logically, that's just how some people are and many would not be willing to change that for anyone. Granted, this isn't something that I believe to be explicitly stated by Josephine in the game, but she's easily a character I can see going that route, given her uber diplomacy thing and her concerns over family holdings and such. Heck, she was even going to be betrothed to someone. 

 

Heck, given her character and her situation, I would not have been surprised if she was gated to human males, as to avoid any kind of scandal for her family.

I still wish they gave us an option so that both parties are happy

I'm not into that kind of thinking (waiting until they are married) it sounds silly to me but I still respect it, well at least there is Cassandra

 

And Josephine isn't gated to human males (as far as I know)



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I disagree. The fact that there isn't an explicit sex scene doesn't make the entire romance seem childish and immature since not all relationships involve sex. 

 

What's wrong with appealing to those people? I'm not asking out of a sense of aggressiveness, but merely of curiosity. 

 

No, she wasn't. Cassandra was always the most sought after LI available to male Inquisitors. Makes sense since she had an appearance in a previous game and a movie to build a fanbase prior to Inquisition. 

 

There is nothing wrong with it but I still think that they should have given us an option (wouldn't you agree?)

 

Most relationships involve sex, if people don't like it its their choice but for me without sex in a relationship something feels/is wrong



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I still wish they gave us an option so that both parties are happy

I'm not into that kind of thinking (waiting until they are married) it sounds silly to me but I still respect it, well at least there is Cassandra

And Josephine isn't gated to human males (as far as I know)

I don't really understand why Josephine gets so much hate because there isn't a sex scene (they do make references to having sex thou). Will 10 seconds of boobs and awkward dialog make it a better romance? I don't really get it tbh. 

 

BTW, it is worth noting that the person who wrote the Josephine romance is the same that wrote Liara's romance afaik. She/he posted in one thread that since she/he had made Liara's scene in ME3, umm hot (?) she/he wanted to do something different in Josephine. 



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I'm really hoping the new ME has enough bi and gay romances and not one. I really don't want another straight male harem.

 

 

Anyone knows if ME will use Frostbite too?


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I still wish they gave us an option so that both parties are happy

I'm not into that kind of thinking (waiting until they are married) it sounds silly to me but I still respect it, well at least there is Cassandra

 

And Josephine isn't gated to human males (as far as I know)

Josephine's romance was left purposefully ambiguous so the player can interpret what they want. So if the player wants to see the relationship as having sexual encounters, they can. There is even a dialogue option players can choose in The Arbor Wilds that helps with that. 

 

I still wish they gave us an option so that both parties are happy

I'm not into that kind of thinking (waiting until they are married) it sounds silly to me but I still respect it, well at least there is Cassandra

 

And Josephine isn't gated to human males (as far as I know)

I appreciate you at least respecting that viewpoint. 

 

And no, Josephine is available to an Inquisitor of any gender and race. 

 

There is nothing wrong with it but I still think that they should have given us an option (wouldn't you agree?)

 

Most relationships involve sex, if people don't like it its their choice but for me without sex in a relationship something feels/is wrong

I would be fine with just the option, yes. As long as the player gets an equal amount of content if they don't choose it. By that I mean if the player chooses to have the sex scene, they get that and a pillow talk scene whereas if the player chooses not to, they get a non-sex romance scene and some sweet dialogue. That or like I said above have it so the romance leaves the level of physical intimacy ambiguous. 


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I'm really hoping the new ME has enough bi and gay romances and not one. I really don't want another straight male harem.

 

 

Anyone knows if ME will use Frostbite too?

They will.  They have said that all of their games are using Frostbite now, and that includes the next ME game.

 

http://www.ign.com/a...age-inquisition


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Still in Josephine's case it made zero sense apart from appealing to people who don't like sex I guess


Or it could be there to appeal to people who don't like pixel sex scenes.
 

Most relationships involve sex, if people don't like it its their choice but for me without sex in a relationship something feels/is wrong


Lack of sex scene =/= lack of sex. Some things happen off camera.  ;)

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I'm 35; I am too old and have been playing games for too long to put up with these ridiculous arguments. It's about time that the industry and people who play the games just bloody well grew up and took a collective look at themselves.

 

So you are on the "look at how mature and serious I am" phase now? Too bad, that's just as obnoxious as the "juvenile gamer" one.

 

But don't worry, you'll outgrow that too.



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I don't think you understood what I said.....  

 

Right, I see what you were getting at now.



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I don't really understand why Josephine gets so much hate because there isn't a sex scene (they do make references to having sex thou). Will 10 seconds of boobs and awkward dialog make it a better romance? I don't really get it tbh.

BTW, it is worth noting that the person who wrote the Josephine romance is the same that wrote Liara's romance afaik. She/he posted in one thread that since she/he had made Liara's scene in ME3, umm hot (?) she/he wanted to do something different in Josephine.

I guess the better question would be why not?
Most relationships do involve sex so why not include it? A fade to black would be enough, without it it just feels awkward

I didn't know that they make references to it I thought sex was entirely off limits in Josephine's romance

Oh well doesn't matter now I just hope they will give us options in ME4

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Or it could be there to appeal to people who don't like pixel sex scenes.


Lack of sex scene =/= lack of sex. Some things happen off camera. ;)


I don't see how well done " pixel" sex scenes are a bad thing

I think gaming has evolved in that department so its not strange anymore (Liara scene in ME3 was quite good and especially TW2 Triss scene)

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I guess the better question would be why not?
Most relationships do involve sex so why not include it? A fade to black would be enough, without it it just feels awkward

I didn't know that they make references to it I thought sex was entirely off limits in Josephine's romance

Oh well doesn't matter now I just hope they will give us options in ME4

I always prefer fade to black - no awkward scenes like the Witcher but you know that something happened there. 

 

On the Arbor Wilds, you can tell her something like "We'll enjoy some quality time alone when we're back at Skyhold." Maybe "quality time" is having sex? Or maybe it is holding hands, who knows?


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I disagree. The fact that there isn't an explicit sex scene doesn't make the entire romance seem childish and immature since not all relationships involve sex. 

 

 

We're not talking about "all relationships" but specifically a romantic one.



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We're not talking about "all relationships" but specifically a romantic one.

Fair enough. I think Hanako will forgive me for restating the point in a different way:

 

The fact that there isn't an explicit sex scene doesn't make the entire romance seem childish and immature since not all romantic relationships involve sex.


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We're not talking about "all relationships" but specifically a romantic one.

I figured due to the discussion that by relationships people would know I was referring to those that are romantic in nature. 



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Wow, this has gotten to page 18?

 

BTW, I thought Cassandra was hot and it broke my heart when I couldn't romance her, but Cullen was available so it all worked out fine.

 

I think, though, in games like DA:I they need to spend more time making crooked and missing teeth, the latter especially among the fighter types. Not everyone has perfect teeth except for certain income brackets in America. 

 

Hair... this is a big one. Let's have some decent hair that hasn't seen an entire can of Aqua-net superhold. I remember that sh*t from the 1980s. You could go out in a windstorm after spraying it and your hair wouldn't move. You can still buy it, too!


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You remember the bangs that were teased so high that they damned near look like ocean waves?

 

Looking back, I don't think we really got past the 80s until about 1992.


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